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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #3302
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    I remember the 90's extremely well, unless you are going to jump on someone else's point to dismiss what I'm saying. Even in the 90s people had something to say. The South was far removed from the troubles bar certain incidents which accounts for why we've so many southern partitionists, people still get raped by the their spouses etc. I'm comparing the integrity of the general standard of people then and now and there is no comparison. People then were well meaning, the youth now try to 'look' well meaning

    The South aka Republic of Ireland wasn’t far removed from the troubles. I’ve lived in the south all my life and my life was disturbed many many times due to the troubles. From weekly bomb alerts closing the town centre, incendiary devices, IRA members present in the town, actual bombs...I could keep going on but you will still refuse to see the reality. So unless you are talking about The south of the South, take off those rose tinted glasses.


  • #3303
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    I remember the 90's extremely well, unless you are going to jump on someone else's point to dismiss what I'm saying. Even in the 90s people had something to say. The South was far removed from the troubles bar certain incidents which accounts for why we've so many southern partitionists, people still get raped by the their spouses etc. I'm comparing the integrity of the general standard of people then and now and there is no comparison. People then were well meaning, the youth now try to 'look' well meaning

    :D You're 28! :pac:


  • #3304
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,742 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Taytoland wrote: »
    The society is more atheistic now which means religion is out the door but also morality has less meaning as it's all irrelevant because you have no repercussions. In 100-150 years Christianity will be like a tiny minority grouping like in the days of the Roman Empire.

    You think morality is only tied to a fear of little red men sticking hot pokers up your arse for all eternity?


  • #3305
    Annabella1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    I suspect Northern Ireland will come under pressure to change laws
    Can’t wait to see Arlene’s face


  • #3306
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    I am so happy and grateful waking up in a changed Ireland today, a country where, once my daughter perhaps gets pregnant in the future, I won't have to spend that time oscillating between happiness and worry, with half-thought out plans of taking her to another jurisdiction til she's at viability mark, just in case anything went wrong. I wouldn't be above it, when her very life could be on the line! Our children are the most precious people to any of us, I am beyond happy that finally they will get to have a law that protects their healthcare in their pregnancies now!!

    I am so grateful to so many, uppermost to the people of Ireland who have understood the above and so much more :) Thank you!

    To all the campaigners, past and present, all the human and women's rights organisations, in the country and outside it, thank you, you made it happen! To the women who shared their heartbreaking stories of those lonely journeys and lonely times in English clinics. Immeasurably grateful.

    Praveen Halappenavar went public with how the Eighth Amendment killed his wife Savita, and it was a big element in getting us to this day. Because of what he did, it is now not necessary that any more women die like she did, in order for things to change. The change is here!

    I am not a big thanker, can't be arsed most of the time, but will make up for it now; thank you nozz and Zuben, so so much - the two of you and everyone else who has been reading your posts through the years knows exactly what I am thanking you for :) January, seamus, eviltwin, iguana, Pope Palpatine, lazygal, Fizzlesque and many other posters, thank you! There was a poster here years ago, Zombrex and then I suspect he had another handle, then I lost track of him or he left the site for good - but I am grateful to him too. Thank you all for being persistent and strong and uncompromising in your push for repeal, all your posts always gave me hope.

    What a weekend. Like erica74, I can't believe we're there! :D Enjoy!!


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  • #3307
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    Sheepdish1 wrote:
    I am shocked that people feel so proud of Simon Harris. Look at the state of our health care service and the lack of accountability in recent scandals.


    Yes the health service is in bits, however it has been in bits since Mary Harney so you can't lay all blame with Simon


  • #3308
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    I remember the 90's extremely well, unless you are going to jump on someone else's point to dismiss what I'm saying. Even in the 90s people had something to say. The South was far removed from the troubles bar certain incidents which accounts for why we've so many southern partitionists, people still get raped by the their spouses etc. I'm comparing the integrity of the general standard of people then and now and there is no comparison. People then were well meaning, the youth now try to 'look' well meaning

    Ah here.

    "Even in the 90's people had something to say" and yet, when people have something to say in 2018, they're only trying to look well meaning. What made the people back then so much more honest to a young child, than people now?

    Take off the rose tinted glasses, the 90's were as good as you have been told.


  • #3309
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    The Golden Miller wrote:
    And did they consider the 6 month aborted unborn who couldn't tell us about it's hard case, getting ripped apart limb by limb? I'm not doubting the real people effected, but I am doubting the young who preached the loudest. They stand for fcuk all, I had to go back to college as a mature student and spent 3 years listening to it, who could out do who to appear the most progressive. There's good people in every generation, there just tends to be a higher concentration of narcissists in this generation


    ok yeah grand good lad ...


  • #3310
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    It seems the urban/rural divide didn't really play out on this vote, where I live (Galway East) the result was 60% Yes and 40% No and I have to admit I thought it would be a lot closer in a rural area.


  • #3311
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Ah here.

    "Even in the 90's people had something to say" and yet, when people have something to say in 2018, they're only trying to look well meaning. What made the people back then so much more honest to a young child, than people now?

    Take off the rose tinted glasses, the 90's were as good as you have been told.

    People who loudly say stuff I agree with: honest, hard working, genuine

    People who loudly say stuff I don't agree with: disingenuous, workshy, poseurs

    Evidence of the difference: I saw them


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  • #3312
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,742 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Those northern tropes of Rome rule, popery and the papist republic are looking a bit outdated at this stage...


  • #3313
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Those northern tropes of Rome rule, popery and the papist republic are looking a bit outdated at this stage...

    Think you'll find the clockwork orangemen will still find a reason for saying no, catholic doctrine in our schools would be one.


  • #3314
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    The start of the old referendum thread makes for some great reading now:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103295395#post103295395

    They were so happy with the very first CA vote. It was all downhill from there really.


  • #3315
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    PotatoSpud wrote: »
    Purves Grundy is a name of a character from Brass Eye. I find it kinda weird to be hearing someone who likes Chris Morris to be viewing repeal as Ireland "losing some of its values" and to be pedalling reactionary hyperbole about future euthanasia legislation.

    I guess his shows probably do attract some people nowhere near in sync with his worldview though, so that's on me.

    I do apologise for not fitting into your perceived persona. Then again, I suppose you liberals do have traits of fascists in you.

    Chris Morris picked holes at the absurdity of news media. I have found this referendum absurd and have noted the bias of every news organisation in covering it.

    I can not get over how millenial's with badges were out campaigning with artwork and cartoon imagery as if this was a lighthearted issue. How voting for such a sensitive thing could be depicted as something nearly joyful like the prospect of gay marriage bothered me to say the least.

    I am no fundamentalist Christian (in fact, I am the complete opposite). I am as much an athiest as the next person. People voted Yes because once someone listens to the lies and forced propaganda for long enough, they start believing it.


  • #3316
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The one additional thing I think the government needs to include in the legislation is the banning of anti-abortion protests within a kilometre of any facility that provide abortions. It is difficult enough for any woman to go through without having to face a baying mob.


  • #3317
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    I do apologise for not fitting into your perceived persona. Then again again, I suppose you liberals do have traits of fascists in you.

    Chris Morris picked holes at the at the absurdity of news media. I have found this referendum absurd and have noted the bias of every news organisation in covering it.

    I can not get over how millenial's with badges were out campaigning with artwork and cartoon imagery as if this was a lighthearted issue. How voting for such a sensitive thing could be depicted as something nearly joyful like the prospect of gay marriage bothered me to say the least.

    I am no fundamentalist Christian (in fact, I am the complete opposite). I am as much an athiest as the next person. People voted Yes because once someone listens to the lies and forced propaganda for long enough, they start believing it.

    Your a fundamental sh*tehawk if you believe the majority of the country fell for lies and false propoganda, if that was the case the result would have been to retain not repeal.


  • #3318
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    I do apologise for not fitting into your perceived persona. Then again, I suppose you liberals do have traits of fascists in you.

    Chris Morris picked holes at the absurdity of news media. I have found this referendum absurd and have noted the bias of every news organisation in covering it.

    I can not get over how millenial's with badges were out campaigning with artwork and cartoon imagery as if this was a lighthearted issue. How voting for such a sensitive thing could be depicted as something nearly joyful like the prospect of gay marriage bothered me to say the least.

    I am no fundamentalist Christian (in fact, I am the complete opposite). I am as much an athiest as the next person. People voted Yes because once someone listens to the lies and forced propaganda for long enough, they start believing it.

    You cant see how young women and indeed men would be happy with campaigning for and getting the full right to choose what happens to a womans body?


  • #3319
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »

    I am no fundamentalist Christian (in fact, I am the complete opposite). I am as much an athiest as the next person. People voted Yes because once someone listens to the lies and forced propaganda for long enough, they start believing it.

    Hmm...I’d love someone to do the research on te lies told but I’m sure the disgruntled No side wouldn’t accept research that was real as it would conflict with their agenda.

    What we’re the lies from the Yes side?


  • #3320
    [Deleted User]
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    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    The one additional thing I think the government needs to include in the legislation is the banning of anti-abortion protests within a kilometre of any facility that provide abortions. It is difficult enough for any woman to go through without having to face a baying mob.

    Agree with this can see the likes of youth defence physically abusing medics and patients.

    They have form for their peaceful protests being anything but

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/youth-defence-unrepentant-as-eight-convicted-26153253.html


  • #3321
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Ah here.

    "Even in the 90's people had something to say" and yet, when people have something to say in 2018, they're only trying to look well meaning. What made the people back then so much more honest to a young child, than people now?

    Take off the rose tinted glasses, the 90's were as good as you have been told.

    He's 28 so he was there for the fall of Rome and the Dark Ages. He knows what he is talking about.


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  • #3322
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    It's hilarious how the No side are heaping so much hate on millenials when almost every demographic voted in favour of Repeal.

    This wasn't millenials, it was a landslide vote by all sections of society.


  • #3323
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Your a fundamental sh*tehawk if you believe the majority of the country fell for lies and false propoganda, if that was the case the result would have been to retain not repeal.

    They absolutely did. I saw elderly people badgered by women with pink hair and nose rings on streets and in cafe's to vote for something they did not feel comfortable with. Nobody was allowed have any adverse opinion to a Yes vote in public conversation.


  • #3324
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    tigger123 wrote: »
    It's hilarious how the No side are heaping so much hate on millenials when almost every demographic voted in favour of Repeal.

    This wasn't millenials, it was a landslide vote by all sections of society.

    It’s stupid really. It’s the demographic that contains the votes of the future as other generations die off. They should really be their target market.


  • #3325
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    They absolutely did. I saw elderly people badgered by women with pink hair and nose rings on streets and in cafe's to vote for something they did not feel comfortable with. Nobody was allowed have any adverse opinion to a Yes vote in public conversation.

    Oh god. The pink hair and piercings. What will youth do next?? It sounds like you want everyone to be a proletariat and wear the same overalls, be known by their numbers and do what their overlords want.

    So what are the lies te Yes campaign kept pushing?


  • #3326
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Hmm...I’d love someone to do the research on te lies told but I’m sure the disgruntled No side wouldn’t accept research that was real as it would conflict with their agenda.

    What we’re the lies from the Yes side?

    I think the No side did a bad job of getting their message across; don't get me wrong. Having fools like Ronan Mullen perform in one of the final important debates was a self thrown grenade.

    One of the main lies that many of the Yes side were peddling was that Savita died due to the 8th Amendment, which was simply not true. What caused that woman's death was medical negligence. I even witnessed an Indian woman dressed up to look like her, handing out leaflets on the street a week before the vote.


  • #3327
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    I think the No side did a bad job of getting their message across; don't get me wrong. Having fools like Ronan Mullen perform in one of the final important debates was a self thrown grenade.

    One of the main lies that many of the Yes side were peddling was that Savita died due to the 8th Amendment, which was simply not true. What caused that woman's death was medical negligence.

    The No side did a bad job because their only argument that could be backed up was “because we don’t like ir”.

    Savita died because doctors hands were tied by the 8th and what was killing her couldn’t be removed because of a heartbeat. But don’t let that get in the way of a good story.


  • #3328
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    What's more likely, an entire generation of varied and unrelated people are narcissists, or one person is incapable of parsing how they communicate?
    .

    "If everyone else is an asshole, you are the asshole"


  • #3329
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,159 ✭ [Deleted User]


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    They absolutely did. I saw elderly people badgered by women with pink hair and nose rings on streets and in cafe's to vote for something they did not feel comfortable with. Nobody was allowed have any adverse opinion to a Yes vote in public conversation.

    Sure you did.

    Ironic that the No side believe that anyone who disagrees with them is a stupid millennial sheep who has bought a pack of lies sold by the 'liberal media'. All while their own campaign makes claims with no factual basis and aggressively tries to ram it down people's throats.

    If anything, yesterday's vote proves that young people are questioning the status quo. They're not happy to be shackled by Rome any longer, not in a modern civilised society.

    No side, you need to accept that the majority do not agree with you, and we have a right to hold our beliefs without being harassed.


  • #3330
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    Fighting Tao wrote: »

    Savita died because doctors hands were tied by the 8th and what was killing her couldn’t be removed because of a heartbeat. But don’t let that get in the way of a good story.

    Doctors did not perform the correct responses in time to save her life. That was the main cause of the woman's death.


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  • #3331
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,742 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Think you'll find the clockwork orangemen will still find a reason for saying no, catholic doctrine in our schools would be one.

    They'd be right on that one


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