Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

fergus1001 · 27-05-2018 12:37AM

Sheeps wrote:

How do doctors reconcile the oath they've taken (if they take it) with facilitating abortions on demand?

like they do in every other developed nation on earth

CruelCoin · 27-05-2018 12:38AM

Trasna1 wrote: »

This is what I don't understand about #hometovote: if the win is large enough than their participation in the vote doesn't matter -it just clocks up unnecessarily air miles. However if the margin is tight enough where it does matter, then hometovote brings the result into disrepute and subject to court challenge.

How many planes came back with people from abroad just for the vote?

The vote was 2:1 dude...there isn't anything approaching a margin that could be challenged in the courts.

nullzero · 27-05-2018 12:38AM

Overheal wrote: »

100 cents on the dollar pay.

I'm fascinated by this gender pay gap idea.
You seem to be confident it is a real issue, I'm sure you can provide copious amounts of evidence to support this notion.

Sheeps · 27-05-2018 12:38AM

fergus1001 wrote: »

like they do in every other developed nation on earth

Which is how?

CruelCoin · 27-05-2018 12:40AM

GerryCarry wrote: »

I agree with Declan Ganley, as of today the Rep. of Ireland is now a rogue state using tax payers money to kill innocent unborn children. No difference to Nazi Germany using tax payers money to kill innocent Jews.

I woulnd't have recognized Nazi Germany, and now i don't recognize the Irish State.

As of May 25th 2018:

- I don't recognize the Irish State
- I don't recognize Dail Eireann
- And i don't recognize Bunreacht na hEireann (no problem swearing on it in a court of law as it means nothing)

I didn't even want to vote as it was an illegal referendum in the first place (you can't vote on whether to kill innocent babies).

I will be finding ways to pay as little tax to the Irish government as possible from now on (just enough to avoid being put in jail). Wont be paying my TV license as i fear the money will be used to pay for workers to staff the incinerators that kill innocent babies.

Holy **** dude.

fergus1001 · 27-05-2018 12:41AM

Sheeps wrote:

That's not true.

yeah.... grand... sure.....I'm sure you can give us a link to some ultra conservative website to back that up

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:41AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

For the same hours and same work?

Now you're catching on.

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:44AM

nullzero wrote: »

I'm fascinated by this gender pay gap idea.
You seem to be confident it is a real issue, I'm sure you can provide copious amounts of evidence to support this notion.

http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/

That should get you started. Now, would love to hear the refutation/counter-evidence to this.

Sheeps · 27-05-2018 12:44AM

fergus1001 wrote: »

yeah.... grand... sure.....I'm sure you can give us a link to some ultra conservative website to back that up

Yeah, you're right. Check out this ultra conservative website.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/kill

The Golden Miller · 27-05-2018 12:45AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I was just thinking earlier... I’m 27 years old.

Since I was born, we’ve decriminalised homosexuality & suicide (‘93), we legalised divorce the same year the very last Magdelene Laundry closed (‘96), we were one of the first countries to legalise same sex marriage in 2015. Today, we’ve given way to make abortion safe and legal.

That is such a huge amount of social progression in just my lifetime.
The Ireland I was born into is an incredibly different place to our current society, in such a short space of time.
It’s something to be immensely proud of. It shows we are an adaptable, inclusive, progressive society.
I know it sounds cringy but today has given me such hope for the future of this country.
I’m so proud of our little island and all we’ve achieved.

At least people back then were real and stood for something, generally hard working people in a hard time who did the best by their families, which instills modesty in itself. Some bad people and institutions, but as a whole there was a real community spirit amongst a genuine and well meaning people, who carried alot of self-responsibility to provide with no fallbacks .

Now we are a product of the Celtic Tiger, a society of hollow molly-coddled superficial narcissists trying to add substance to our being, pretending to care about moral issue's, others, and over-compensating in a self-congratulatory fashion to appear progressive and matured to the outside world.

There was alot wrong in the Ireland of back then, but at least it was real

123balltv · 27-05-2018 12:46AM

Should Parents who voted yes on behalf of their Children still go
through the sham when it comes to christenings, communions and confirmations etc end the sham once and for all

fergus1001 · 27-05-2018 12:46AM

_Dara_ wrote:

SO dignified.

yet declan ganley doesnt mind supplying tech to the US military causing deaths of thousands of muslims

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 12:55AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

At least people back then were real and stood for something, generally hard working people in a hard time who did the best by their families, which instills modesty in itself. Some bad people and institutions, but as a whole there was a real community spirit amongst a genuine and well meaning people, who carried alot of self-responsibility to provide with no fallbacks .

Now we are a product of the Celtic Tiger, a society of hollow molly-coddled superficial narcissists trying to add substance to our being, pretending to care about moral issue's, others, and over-compensating in a self-congratulatory fashion to appear progressive and matured to the outside world.

There was alot wrong in the Ireland of back then, but at least it was real

The referendum that was just won on landslide was won by a grassroots movement of mostly young women and men, who came together from pretty much every corner of our country. Their main tactic was to platform the stories of many more young women, who showed remarkable bravery in sharing some really harrowing experiences. The goal was to win the right to choice. Choice is the fundamental prerequisite for personal moral responsibility.

The qualities of community, morality, responsibility, altruism were present throughout. Those young people led, worked hard with little support for many years, and the politicians eventually followed.

Your assessment of the generation who won the day is quite completely ignorant. Little more than the usual avocado toast nonsense.

I feel embarrassed for you, frankly.

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:59AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

At least people back then were real and stood for something, generally hard working people in a hard time who did the best by their families, which instills modesty in itself. Some bad people and institutions, but as a whole there was a real community spirit amongst a genuine and well meaning people, who carried alot of self-responsibility to provide with no fallbacks .

Now we are a product of the Celtic Tiger, a society of hollow molly-coddled superficial narcissists trying to add substance to our being, pretending to care about moral issue's, others, and over-compensating in a self-congratulatory fashion to appear progressive and matured to the outside world.

There was alot wrong in the Ireland of back then, but at least it was real

bodice ripper · 27-05-2018 12:59AM

The Golden Miller wrote:

There was alot wrong in the Ireland of back then, but at least it was real

Real as hundreds of babies in a septic tank.

Sheepdish1 · 27-05-2018 01:01AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I think I fell in love with him a bit while watching PrimeTime. Sassy Simon did us proud.

I am shocked that people feel so proud of Simon Harris. Look at the state of our health care service and the lack of accountability in recent scandals.

People who shared extremely personal stories and their supporters fought for repeal imo

The Golden Miller · 27-05-2018 01:03AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

The referendum that was just won on landslide was won by a grassroots movement of mostly young women and men, who came together from pretty much every corner of our country. Their main tactic was to platform the stories of many more young women, who showed remarkable bravery in sharing some really harrowing experiences. The goal was to win the right to choice. Choice is the fundamental prerequisite for personal moral responsibility.

The qualities of community, morality, responsibility, altruism were present throughout. Those young people led, worked hard with little support for many years, and the politicians eventually followed.

Your assessment of the generation who won the day is quite completely ignorant. Little more than the usual avocado toast nonsense.

I feel embarrassed for you, frankly.

I don't believe this movement showed any empathy, or a second thought, for the unborn. I don't believe this movement weighed up and assessed the merits of each side, and came to a reasoned conclusion, it was pre-conditioned. They were more concerned about how the next guy perceived them, all trying to out do each other to seem the most liberal. Faux concern from a movement of no real moral fibre. There were genuine people there, the one's before the bandwagon showed up.

The grandstanding platitudes of ourself is nothing more than pretentious nonsense.

nullzero · 27-05-2018 01:03AM

Overheal wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/

That should get you started. Now, would love to hear the refutation/counter-evidence to this.

This is a complex issue, which will require further research and more detailed data, in the coming years.

But we can dispell a couple of myths, at this stage.

Firstly, the gender pay gap isn’t really about discrimination. In the relatively rare cases where it is, an employer is breaking the law.

Women don’t earn less than men simply by virtue of being women. The causes are complex, and often strongly related to a woman’s gender, but gender is not in itself the cause, generally speaking

Men and women are not the same and expecting pay to be the same across the board when the reality of having children (amazingly there are still women who actively want to have families, which may have something to do with basic evolutionary biology) is factored in.
Men are increasingly becoming more actively involved in the raising of their children which I would argue will change this disparity to some extent over time. In general terms saying that a man earns more than a woman across the board is completely ridiculous. If you're flipping burgers and you're a man and you start on the same day as the woman next to you, you will be earning the same amount per hour which addresses your 100 cents on the dollar remark which is based (depending on the source) on averages or mean figures which themselves do not account for any influencing factors, rather leaving such pertinent information in the realm of supposition which addresses your articles statement that further research needs to be done in the future, namely because the information gathered is incomplete and not representative of the full picture.

retro:electro · 27-05-2018 01:07AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

At least people back then were real and stood for something, generally hard working people in a hard time who did the best by their families, which instills modesty in itself. Some bad people and institutions, but as a whole there was a real community spirit amongst a genuine and well meaning people, who carried alot of self-responsibility to provide with no fallbacks .

Now we are a product of the Celtic Tiger, a society of hollow molly-coddled superficial narcissists trying to add substance to our being, pretending to care about moral issue's, others, and over-compensating in a self-congratulatory fashion to appear progressive and matured to the outside world.

There was alot wrong in the Ireland of back then, but at least it was real

Those superficial molly-coddled narcissists were once feotus’ how dare you

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 01:07AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Real as hundreds of babies in a septic tank.

Ah sure, we're nothing like those Roman Catholics, we don't throw them in septic tanks. We just abort them instead.

Noveight · 27-05-2018 01:08AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I don't believe this movement showed any empathy, or a second thought, for the unborn. I don't believe this movement weighed up and assessed the merits of each side, and came to a reasoned conclusion, it was pre-conditioned. They were more concerned about how the next guy perceived them, all trying to out do each other to seem the most liberal...

Food for thought.

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 01:09AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I don't believe this movement showed any empathy, or a second thought, for the unborn. I don't believe this movement weighed up and assessed the merits of each side, and came to a reasoned conclusion, it was pre-conditioned. They were more concerned about how the next guy perceived them, all trying to out do each other to seem the most liberal. Faux concern from a movement of no real moral fibre. There were genuine people there, the one's before the bandwagon showed up.

The grandstanding platitudes of ourself is nothing more than pretentious nonsense.

Total bull****.

Noveight wrote: »

Food for thought.

For the mentally anorexic, maybe. Fill you right up?

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 01:10AM

January wrote: »

BTW I'm not very well up on football analogies but if you want to play the ball and not the man at least have the courage to pull me up on thread instead of pming me.

It seems you're not well up on the rules of boards either.

markodaly · 27-05-2018 01:10AM

Overheal wrote: »

Sorry, 100 cent on the Euro pay.

Women earn 86 cent on the Euro compared to their male counterparts in Ireland.

This whole chestnut again?

There is a whole host of reasons to why this is. Some are...

Men work longer hours
Men work in more full time positions
Men work in more dangerous jobs
Men don't take as much time off as women
Men choose different careers than women

If it were that easy, any employer with a bit of smarts would purely hire women as they will save 14% of their payroll overnight.

The Golden Miller · 27-05-2018 01:12AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Total bull****.

For the mentally anorexic, maybe. Fill you right up?

Where next do we go for our fill of self-righteousness ?

Noveight · 27-05-2018 01:13AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

For the mentally anorexic, maybe. Fill you right up?

Ah, excellent. Very well done.

nullzero · 27-05-2018 01:13AM

markodaly wrote: »

This whole chestnut again?

There is a whole host of reasons to why this is. Some are...

Men work longer hours
Men work in more full time positions
Men work in more dangerous jobs
Men don't take as much time off as women
Men choose different careers than women

If it were that easy, any employer with a bit of smarts would purely hire women as they will save 14% of their payroll overnight.

But he quoted an article from the journal, although it contradicts his point it says "fact check" at the top so he'd like to see you get past that.

BabyCheeses · 27-05-2018 01:14AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Don't have a baby and this won't happen.

Guess women will have to get an abortion then.

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 01:17AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Where next do we go for our fill of self-righteousness ?

You've had your fill. You're drunk on it.

Empathy for the unborn? A dear friend of mine travelled to end the life of her wanted unborn child. Ask her about empathy, about what she had to weigh up. Ask her about personal responsibility.

You are without heart. You dismiss a generation on the basis of nothing more than some half-sketched cliches about the yoof.

You should be ashamed.

markodaly · 27-05-2018 01:21AM

Overheal wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/

That should get you started. Now, would love to hear the refutation/counter-evidence to this.

From the article.

Firstly, the gender pay gap isn’t really about discrimination. In the relatively rare cases where it is, an employer is breaking the law.

Women don’t earn less than men simply by virtue of being women.

Also to note, the 30-39 age bracket, the gap is 1.4%
The younger than 30 age bracket, the gap is 2.6%

Over time as the older generation retire, we will see more women progress in their careers and fill the top jobs that were once dominated by men. It is already happening as it should.

It should be all about equality of access and opportunity, not outcomes but the usual crowd only want to talk about outcomes and ignore the complexity of the issues as it does not fit into a tweet.

I am all for discussing this when we see equality in the crap jobs like Garbage men or construction labourers. Maybe we should 'force' women into these jobs!?

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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