Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

spookwoman · 26-05-2018 01:41PM

https://twitter.com/98FM/status/1000355278943145987

Fr Tod Umptious · 26-05-2018 01:42PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The reasons for voting YES are apparently more nuanced and multi-factorial than presumed.

Absolutely

I votes Yes because I though the 8th was far too restrictive when it came to rape and incest cases and it was also a legal minefield for the medical services

I'm against 12 week on demand abortion, so I'll get that point across by lobbying my TDs

_Dara_ · 26-05-2018 01:42PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote.

A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation.

We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.

The indications are that a majority support abortion up to 12 weeks.

wexie · 26-05-2018 01:44PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I’m keeping an eye on Dublin Central...

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/980185280664698885?s=20

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/98FM/status/1000355278943145987

All you good people with Twitter accounts know what to do

Taytoland · 26-05-2018 01:44PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon.

Its a bit different to Brexit in fairness - and the Irish Government showed the UK how it is that you have a constitutional referendum.
- The choice should be clear
- The path afterwards should be laid out

The brexit vote was neither, and to compound the problem, the vote was close. Following referendums there is usually an attempt to get national unity, in other words, get a supermajority of the electorate on board even if some of them aren't fully happy. 48% voted against brexit and there has been no attempt at national unity in the UK, only pushing of extreme forms of brexit.
Contrast to the vote here where 7 in 10 voted for the proposal with the future clearly outlined. National unity exists as it stands and the proposed legislation will be quickly enacted and abortion as a contentious and poisonous issue in Irish politics will be finally put to bed.

I respectfully disagree. I knew exactly what I was voting for on Brexit as I was told so by David Cameron and George Osborne. I don't think it's any different. If you take a good licking, take it like a man and move on. That is what is now required of the no campaign. The Irish people wanted less strict abortion laws. It still outlaws 24 week abortions.

suicide_circus · 26-05-2018 01:44PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Theres nothing in the constitution about it, so it's a legislative issue.
So lobby your TD's, start a thread maybe. See what support you have. But it's a bit mad to throw it into this thread.

It's not a crusade of mine. I'm just playing devils advocate and toying with the logical extrapolations and possible legal permutations of the referendum decision. If a woman feels she cannot cope with being a mother in a crisis pregnancy situation she now has that right. I can't think of any logical reason why that right would not be afforded to a man in a pregnancy that for him was a crisis.

Amalgam · 26-05-2018 01:45PM

Yes.

The amount of ads I was seeing on YouTube that used people afflicted with trisomi21 was just.. surprising. What was that all about, as if anyone would knowingly want to be burdened with trisomi21, given a fantastical magical choice beforehand.

John Waters can go and jump in a lake, there's plenty in Roscommon, he'll be spoilt for choice.

Pherekydes · 26-05-2018 01:46PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

How are the exit polls carried out just out of interest?

Myself and the wife were interviewed as we exited the polling station. Asked a few questions about a variety of things and that was it. The interviewer used a tablet. All very modern.

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 01:46PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote.

A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are only doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation.

We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.

The issue there is that having one 'NO' option and several different 'YES' options does not work as all it does it split votes on one side. The only way for that to work would then be to count all the 'YES if...' votes together as one and then have whichever of those were most popular be the taken option.

E.g.
1. NO (gets 31% of the overall vote)
2. YES... only in the case of rape or incest. (gets 22%)
3. YES... up to 12 weeks. (gets 22%)
4. YES... up to 24 weeks. (gets 25%)
5. YES... right up until directly before birth. (gets 5%)

This would then be treated as 69% YES vs 31% NO, with the legislation being based off of 24 weeks (or whichever 'YES' option got the most votes), but we all know well that no campaign would be kicking off all different amounts of stink on so many levels if that had how the referendum was ran.

reubenreuben · 26-05-2018 01:47PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote.

A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation.

We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.

Why are you so concerned about women who you don't even know?
Does it give you a feeling of power and satisfaction that you can decide what women should do with their own bodies.

The people have spoken so you are in a minority.

Dookie Monster · 26-05-2018 01:48PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote.

A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation.

We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.

I'm gutted also. Proud to vote No. I would have supported abortion in limited cases e.g. fatal foetal, rape, but I felt the abortion on demand up to 12 weeks was too far. Anyone who thinks this will revolutionize care for women in this country, can think again. The HSE is a basket case. That won't change miraculously.

Bannasidhe · 26-05-2018 01:48PM

Cork North-Central
YES 64.0%
NO 36.0%
33,639 VotesCounting complete18,908 VotesTurnout: 62.4%

Cork South-Central
YES 68.8%
NO 31.2%
40,071 VotesCounting complete18,138 VotesTurnout: 66.7%

Taytoland · 26-05-2018 01:49PM

I actually think exit polls should be not be allowed. It ruins the excitement. Election night should be seen as a night of entertainment and not knowing what is going to happen and seeing each result come in and hoping for twists and turns.

reubenreuben · 26-05-2018 01:49PM

Dookie Monster wrote: »

I'm gutted also. Proud to vote No. I would have supported abortion in limited cases e.g. fatal foetal, rape, but I felt the abortion on demand up to 12 weeks was too far. Anyone who thinks this will revolutionize care for women in this country, can think again. The HSE is a basket case. That won't change miraculously.

It's about giving women a choice to decide.

reubenreuben · 26-05-2018 01:50PM

Taytoland wrote: »

I actually think exit polls should be not be allowed. It ruins the excitement. Election night should be seen as a night of entertainment and not knowing what is going to happen and seeing each result come in and hoping for twists and turns.

What? Like the Eurovision?

Fighting Tao · 26-05-2018 01:51PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.

Think about it a minute. At the moment we have abortion as per the UK laws due to the fact that anyone can get a €30 flight (or even less) to the UK. What will change is that instead of travelling, those women will be able have the abortion in Ireland under Irish laws. The number of abortions won't be increasing, the location that the medical service is provided will be the only thing to change.

acequion · 26-05-2018 01:52PM

The one thing that really irked me among the no campaigners were the crowd who called themselves "Love Both." By any stretch of the imagination how could they claim that forcing a rape victim to carry through with a pregnancy and birth constitutes any type of love or anything close?? Patronising in the extreme and total hypocrisy.

I'm just so relieved that people like those were put back firmly in their place by the resounding yes from the Irish people.

Graces7 · 26-05-2018 01:52PM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Why are you so concerned about women who you don't even know?
Does it give you a feeling of power and satisfaction that you can decide what women should do with their own bodies.

The people have spoken so you are in a minority.

Like many of us, Outlaw Pete values LIFE and e we have no right to destroy it . Goes waaaaaaaaaay above personal relationships.

Fighting Tao · 26-05-2018 01:53PM

Dookie Monster wrote: »

I'm gutted also. Proud to vote No. I would have supported abortion in limited cases e.g. fatal foetal, rape, but I felt the abortion on demand up to 12 weeks was too far. Anyone who thinks this will revolutionize care for women in this country, can think again. The HSE is a basket case. That won't change miraculously.

How do you think the abortions you would allow for fatal foetal abnormalities, rape, etc. could have occur with your No vote?

Trasna1 · 26-05-2018 01:53PM

Billy86 wrote: »

The issue there is that having one 'NO' option and several different 'YES' options does not work as all it does it split votes on one side. The only way for that to work would then be to count all the 'YES if...' votes together as one and then have whichever of those were most popular be the taken option.

E.g.
1. NO (gets 31% of the overall vote)
2. YES... only in the case of rape or incest. (gets 22%)
3. YES... up to 12 weeks. (gets 22%)
4. YES... up to 24 weeks. (gets 25%)
5. YES... right up until directly before birth. (gets 5%)

This would then be treated as 69% YES vs 31% NO, with the legislation being based off of 24 weeks (or whichever 'YES' option got the most votes), but we all know well that no campaign would be kicking off all different amounts of stink on so many levels if that had how the referendum was ran.

You couldn't run a constitutional referendum like that, as far as I know it has to be yes or no.

Your proposal would require two ballots Yes/No for the required constitutional referendum and a PR-STV list for an advisory plebiscite, in the event that the first returned Yes.

Fighting Tao · 26-05-2018 01:54PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Like many of us, Outlaw Pete values LIFE and e we have no right to destroy it . Goes waaaaaaaaaay above personal relationships.

Then all sperm and eggs should be preserved....:rolleyes:

_Dara_ · 26-05-2018 01:56PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

You couldn't run a constitutional referendum like that, as far as I know it has to be yes or no.

Your proposal would require two ballots Yes/No for the required constitutional referendum and a PR-STV list for an advisory plebiscite, in the event that the first returned Yes.

Billy was highlighting how it’s unworkable, AFAIK.

Graces7 · 26-05-2018 01:56PM

Water John wrote: »

The country is moving on and developing a new, mature morality. It's an inclusive, not an excluding one.

Moving backwards not on . oh no way forwards.. Anything goes?

OhHiMark · 26-05-2018 01:56PM

Taytoland wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. I knew exactly what I was voting for on Brexit as I was told so by David Cameron and George Osborne. I don't think it's any different. If you take a good licking, take it like a man and move on. That is what is now required of the no campaign. The Irish people wanted less strict abortion laws. It still outlaws 24 week abortions.

You must be the only one that knew what you were voting for. The politicians certainly didn't.

Dookie Monster · 26-05-2018 01:56PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

How do you think the abortions you would allow for fatal foetal abnormalities, rape, etc. could have occur with your No vote?

8th Amendment covered it already

Taytoland · 26-05-2018 01:56PM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

I actually think exit polls should be not be allowed. It ruins the excitement. Election night should be seen as a night of entertainment and not knowing what is going to happen and seeing each result come in and hoping for twists and turns.

What? Like the Eurovision?

Wait to the results to come in. Boring otherwise. Which is why EU referendum was so exciting as it had no exit poll.

Fighting Tao · 26-05-2018 01:57PM

Dookie Monster wrote: »

8th Amendment covered it already

You are wrong.

Graces7 · 26-05-2018 01:57PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote.

A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation.

We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.

Thanks.

Taytoland · 26-05-2018 01:58PM

OhHiMark wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. I knew exactly what I was voting for on Brexit as I was told so by David Cameron and George Osborne. I don't think it's any different. If you take a good licking, take it like a man and move on. That is what is now required of the no campaign. The Irish people wanted less strict abortion laws. It still outlaws 24 week abortions.

You must be the only one that knew what you were voting for. The politicians certainly didn't.

Theresa May and establishment don't want Brexit. That would explain that.

reubenreuben · 26-05-2018 01:58PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Then all sperm and eggs should be preserved....:rolleyes:

https://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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