Harry Palmr wrote: » The reasons for voting YES are apparently more nuanced and multi-factorial than presumed.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote. A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation. We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.
_Dara_ wrote: » I’m keeping an eye on Dublin Central...https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/980185280664698885?s=20
spookwoman wrote: » https://twitter.com/98FM/status/1000355278943145987
Trasna1 wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon. Its a bit different to Brexit in fairness - and the Irish Government showed the UK how it is that you have a constitutional referendum. - The choice should be clear - The path afterwards should be laid out The brexit vote was neither, and to compound the problem, the vote was close. Following referendums there is usually an attempt to get national unity, in other words, get a supermajority of the electorate on board even if some of them aren't fully happy. 48% voted against brexit and there has been no attempt at national unity in the UK, only pushing of extreme forms of brexit. Contrast to the vote here where 7 in 10 voted for the proposal with the future clearly outlined. National unity exists as it stands and the proposed legislation will be quickly enacted and abortion as a contentious and poisonous issue in Irish politics will be finally put to bed.
Taytoland wrote: » Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Theres nothing in the constitution about it, so it's a legislative issue. So lobby your TD's, start a thread maybe. See what support you have. But it's a bit mad to throw it into this thread.
freshpopcorn wrote: » How are the exit polls carried out just out of interest?
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Disappointed with the vote obviously but proud to have voted No and I think time will show that it was indeed the right way to vote. A wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it. I feel the Irish people should have been given an option to vote Yes to repeal but also be able to indicate that they are only doing so on the basis that they feel abortions should only be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where it's deemed medically necessary, rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation. We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.
Dookie Monster wrote: » I'm gutted also. Proud to vote No. I would have supported abortion in limited cases e.g. fatal foetal, rape, but I felt the abortion on demand up to 12 weeks was too far. Anyone who thinks this will revolutionize care for women in this country, can think again. The HSE is a basket case. That won't change miraculously.
Taytoland wrote: » I actually think exit polls should be not be allowed. It ruins the excitement. Election night should be seen as a night of entertainment and not knowing what is going to happen and seeing each result come in and hoping for twists and turns.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » We are told the number of women in Ireland having abortions won't go up and that women here won't be able to abort on the basis of a prenatal DS diagnosis, giving the time frame restrictions involved. I believe both assertions to be false but I guess time, as ever, will tell.
reubenreuben wrote: » Why are you so concerned about women who you don't even know? Does it give you a feeling of power and satisfaction that you can decide what women should do with their own bodies. The people have spoken so you are in a minority.
Billy86 wrote: » The issue there is that having one 'NO' option and several different 'YES' options does not work as all it does it split votes on one side. The only way for that to work would then be to count all the 'YES if...' votes together as one and then have whichever of those were most popular be the taken option. E.g. 1. NO (gets 31% of the overall vote) 2. YES... only in the case of rape or incest. (gets 22%) 3. YES... up to 12 weeks. (gets 22%) 4. YES... up to 24 weeks. (gets 25%) 5. YES... right up until directly before birth. (gets 5%) This would then be treated as 69% YES vs 31% NO, with the legislation being based off of 24 weeks (or whichever 'YES' option got the most votes), but we all know well that no campaign would be kicking off all different amounts of stink on so many levels if that had how the referendum was ran.
Graces7 wrote: » Like many of us, Outlaw Pete values LIFE and e we have no right to destroy it . Goes waaaaaaaaaay above personal relationships.
Trasna1 wrote: » You couldn't run a constitutional referendum like that, as far as I know it has to be yes or no. Your proposal would require two ballots Yes/No for the required constitutional referendum and a PR-STV list for an advisory plebiscite, in the event that the first returned Yes.
Water John wrote: » The country is moving on and developing a new, mature morality. It's an inclusive, not an excluding one.
Taytoland wrote: » I respectfully disagree. I knew exactly what I was voting for on Brexit as I was told so by David Cameron and George Osborne. I don't think it's any different. If you take a good licking, take it like a man and move on. That is what is now required of the no campaign. The Irish people wanted less strict abortion laws. It still outlaws 24 week abortions.
Fighting Tao wrote: » How do you think the abortions you would allow for fatal foetal abnormalities, rape, etc. could have occur with your No vote?
reubenreuben wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » I actually think exit polls should be not be allowed. It ruins the excitement. Election night should be seen as a night of entertainment and not knowing what is going to happen and seeing each result come in and hoping for twists and turns. What? Like the Eurovision?
Dookie Monster wrote: » 8th Amendment covered it already
OhHiMark wrote: » Taytoland wrote: » I respectfully disagree. I knew exactly what I was voting for on Brexit as I was told so by David Cameron and George Osborne. I don't think it's any different. If you take a good licking, take it like a man and move on. That is what is now required of the no campaign. The Irish people wanted less strict abortion laws. It still outlaws 24 week abortions. You must be the only one that knew what you were voting for. The politicians certainly didn't.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Then all sperm and eggs should be preserved....:rolleyes:
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