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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #2132
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    I find it ironic that the initial title of the first Eighth Amendment thread on AH was “The Eighth Amendment will not be repealed”.


  • #2133
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Hey Murph, enough of that 'older voters' and you in your forties. I'm in my sixties and am not an 'older voter'. Over 65 is the threshold demographic.


  • #2134
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Lots of TDs will have to look at themselves now, many Fianna Fáil members, Healy-Raes, Mattie McGrath as they have been shown to be totally out of touch with the electorate. Not just nationally but also in their own constituencies.

    Out of touch on one issue only. They are not worried about their seats. Certainly not the Healy Raes


  • #2135
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,172 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Lots of TDs will have to look at themselves now, many Fianna F members, Healy-Raes, Mattie McGrath as they have been shown to be totally out of touch with the electorate. Not just nationally but also in their own constituencies.


    Wait till the full count is done and look at the numbers from their constituencies.

    You might find that their stance is closer to the same as the people they represent than the country overall.

    Not saying that those areas would return an No, but the margin of Yes would be less than in other areas.

    Remember, all politics is local.


  • #2136
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What happens to hospitals with a religious ethos now?

    I would imagine they'll have to reel in their religious ethos.

    Can have a religious ethos all you want, can't have it interfering with the law though and if I had to guess I could see a few cases on this in the future.


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  • #2137
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What happens to hospitals with a religious ethos now?

    They will work within the confines of the law as they do now.

    It will be a GP led service anyway.


  • #2138
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Lord save us Roscommon voted to Repeal.


  • #2139
    Simi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭Simi


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I find it so hard to listen to what Ruth Coppinger is actually saying when everything she says sounds like a question.

    People speaking with an inflection at the end of every sentence really grates on me.


    Sorry, back on topic. Victory!

    I appreciate that she's the first person so far to call out the no campaign on the sheer misogyny and bile they whipped up during the campaign. Everyone else is taking a more conciliatory tone. But they needed to be called out on it.


  • #2140
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Wait till the full count is done and look at the numbers from their constituencies.

    You might find that their stance is closer to the same as the people they represent than the country overall.

    Not saying that those areas would return an No, but the margin of Yes would be less than in other areas.

    Remember, all politics is local.
    The flow is likely to keep going in the same direction though. On more and more issues.


  • #2141
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Wait till the full count is done and look at the numbers from their constituencies.

    You might find that their stance is closer to the same as the people they represent than the country overall.

    Not saying that those areas would return an No, but the margin of Yes would be less than in other areas.

    Remember, all politics is local.

    Analysis already available already in exit polls and some tallies. Most constituencies have voted yes.

    The Healy Raes were completely out of touch on this matter. As where the majority of Fianna Fáil TDs


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  • #2142
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wibbs wrote: »
    How the hell do you think we ended up needing this referendum in the first place?

    Largely down to American fundies who thought they could open an overseas front on Roe v. Wade.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #2143
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I didn't bother putting much thought in to the 32 FF tds that stood for that photo but is the a lost of them and their constituencies anywhere?

    It'd be interesting to see the percentages of those constituencies.


  • #2144
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Water John wrote: »
    Hey Murph, enough of that 'older voters' and you in your forties. [/B]I'm in my sixtiesand am not an 'older voter'. Over 65 is the threshold demographic.
    A fecking garçon is all you are.


  • #2145
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Water John wrote: »
    Hey Murph, enough of that 'older voters' and you in your forties. I'm in my sixtiesand am not an 'older voter'. Over 65 is the threshold demographic.
    A fecking garçon is all you are.


  • #2146
    Sheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    From the exit poll 52% of people felt 12 weeks abortions was too far. I hope this takes priority in the debate over coming legislation. This was the major issue with the sensible no side.


  • #2147
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Katie Ascough on RTE saying the Yes side should be held accountable for what they said during the referendum.

    Does she really think she'd come out of it well if both sides had to back up claims Made? Its a wonder her face doesn't turn inside out trying to keep it straight.

    Little Katie (is is Katie Martin? or Katie Ascough? Depends on the TV station she's on I guess) has quite a history of struggling with the truth or sticking to promises, so I'm sure we know what her response there would be.


  • #2148
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    The young people in the country are marvellous, we should be proud of them. Given the directions many others have taken Ireland’s young people have once again led the way

    And credit to the mums and dads who raised them that way


  • #2149
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    People seem to forget we live in a democracy and that still 1 in 3 voters roughly will have been no voters. Therefore it only makes sense that there are politicians who supported no. This is not being out of touch, but it is like people argue that politicians have to be of a hive mind and that this is somehow how democracy works.
    If all politicians had been on the Yes side we would not be in a democracy.


  • #2150
    railer201
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Katie Ascough just after saying that this is just the beginning for the Love Both movement.

    They can't change the vote but they will do all they can to make women having abortions and those providing it suffer.

    Tomorrow they will be yesterday's people, that's the fact of it.


  • #2151
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    It’s bloody hilarious seeing the likes of Cora Sherlock and Katie Ascough trying to criticize the Yes side for “misinformation”.
    Ascough somehow trying to spin this as a win for the No side.

    That's because they seem to have given up on winning in more recent times and have begun focusing on trying to make this a lasting wedge issue. I reckon we'll see them try and form a 'new right' movement on the back of this and continue to use their Cambridge Analytica employees and their tactics to look to drive us into the same political disarray as CA did for the 2016 US election, for Brexit and for so many other countries.

    But hopefully getting such a hammering in the polls will make their fundamentalist backers in the US a little more reluctant to open the purse-strings for them though.

    EDIT: And surely enough when I scroll down just a few more posts, this pops up...
    eviltwin wrote: »
    Katie Ascough just after saying that this is just the beginning for the Love Both movement.

    They can't change the vote but they will do all they can to make women having abortions and those providing it suffer.


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  • #2152
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    Sofiztikated wrote:
    That's rich. Wasn't that the defacto argument for Savethe8th? ENGLAND ABORTION NUMBERS, OVER THERE, BABIES, ICELAND MURDERING PEOPLE DOWNS SYNDROME, LOOK, LOOK, LOOK AT THESE PICTURES.


    Yes supporters repeatedly told how the 8th affected them. LIES!!!! Yes supporters repeatedly told how the 8th affected others. WRONG!!!! Yes supporters repeatedly told how abortions happened anyway. HARD CASES!!!!!11!11!


    yeah that's great ... good lad


  • #2153
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    RobertKK wrote: »
    People seem to forget we live in a democracy and that still 1 in 3 voters roughly will have been no voters. Therefore it only makes sense that there are politicians who supported no. This is not being out of touch, but it is like people argue that politicians have to be of a hive mind and that this is somehow how democracy works.
    If all politicians had been on the Yes side we would not be in a democracy.

    The awkward moment when even the people of Roscommon are more progressive than you


  • #2154
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh..ffs... better phone the printers and cancel the fecking flegs...:eek:

    No problem for the Yes voters to get Irish flags in Ireland as there are plenty of shops selling them.

    However, if No won, I'm not sure if there would have been enough American flags available in the country.


  • #2155
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    wexie wrote: »
    I would imagine they'll have to reel in their religious ethos.

    Can have a religious ethos all you want, can't have it interfering with the law though and if I had to guess I could see a few cases on this in the future.

    I bet the pro lifers will be all about those hard cases. Trying to get laws to make sure a hospital that's catholic doesn't have to perform terminations.

    they don't give a fcuk about the hard cases that involve a womans life though.


  • #2156
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,172 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Largely down to American fundies who thought they could open an overseas front on Roe v. Wade.

    Well the "pro life ammendment" as we called it back in the '80s was passed to prevent a Row v Wade.


  • #2157
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Wait till the full count is done and look at the numbers from their constituencies.

    You might find that their stance is closer to the same as the people they represent than the country overall.

    Not saying that those areas would return an No, but the margin of Yes would be less than in other areas.

    Remember, all politics is local.

    That is highly unlikely. Have you not seen the tallies.

    There is a very strong mandate from the people throughout the country. This will be introduced fairly swiftly and the all politics is local td's will remember what their electorate wanted to save their own asses.

    Longford or Mayo most likely to vote no from figs this morning.


  • #2158
    Simi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭Simi


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Lord save us Roscommon voted to Repeal.

    Looks like it could be get close in Donegal though. They only passed marriage equality by ~200 votes, I think.


  • #2159
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    ricero wrote: »
    I really hope we dont see wild celebrations in the streets today and both sides treat the result with the respect it deserves. At the end of the day the issue is abortion.

    People are entitled to celebrate today. This is the result of a hard fought campaign that went on for years. While I have no desire to taunt anyone or be smug, I will celebrate.


  • #2160
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The awkward moment when even the people of Roscommon are more progressive than you

    It would be nice if people could enjoy their victory without the bitterness.


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  • #2161
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The way I see it is that there always was abortion on demand. €30 for a flight to the UK. It's within practically everyone reach if really wanted or needed. So repealing the 8th is not going to increase the number of abortions overall. It will just mean that we don't export them.


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