Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Movementarian · 26-05-2018 01:43AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

How are the exit polls carried out just out of interest?

Think its basically a selection of polling sites in various constituencies where the try ask a cross section of voters by age categories. Across city and rural areas to try get as wide a spread of a cross section as they can. Usually a decent barometer for how votes are trending.

If you're on the no side though its a complete liberal scam run by foreign influencers who are trying to convert people to the religion of money and the populist agenda and the country is going to ****ing ****!!!!

I think that's how they generally work.

ted1 · 26-05-2018 01:44AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

Not entirely true. Many people have multiple abortions because they are lax with birth control and simply don’t want a baby. Even though they are mentally and financially able.

To those who do not believe in the concept of foetal personhood during the first trimester, it's literally of no consequence. I totally get that people on the no side don't agree because they do believe in foetal personhood, but I have to say it smacks of unbelievable arrogance that they just ignore this aspect of the yes side, as if their opinion - "a first trimester foetus counts as a human being" - is inarguable scientific fact not worthy of discussion.

As a yes supporter, I and most yes voters acknowledge the genuinely heartfelt sentiment on the no side that an early term foetus is a human being, but I find it arrogant in the extreme that most on the no side refuse to extent the same empathy to those who don't believe the same.

I voted yes.

robarmstrong · 26-05-2018 01:44AM

ted1 wrote: »

I’ve a few sources my ex is one of them. So I have first hand experience l.

Right so you don't have anything other than a few anecdotal sources?

I'm sorry for your experience, it must be tough to have been with a partner like that (and hopefully she didn't do any of it whilst she was with you), but that's absolutely no excuse to insinuate that because you know a few that this automatically applies to a statement that there's "many" of these women.

neonsofa · 26-05-2018 01:44AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't know if anyone else has any experience like this - self-censoring their views so as not to profoundly upset a close friend? It seems silly now, and I'll never allow a personal issue like that to prevent me from enthusiastically campaigning for what I believe in again. I'd like to think I did what I felt was right at the time, but ultimately it's left a bittersweet taste in my mouth this evening which I wouldn't want to experience again.

You stated your position where it mattered most, in the polling station. You actively contributed to the result.

amdublin · 26-05-2018 01:45AM

I don't understand why they're all mad with us over on Twitter for the exit polls result.

I thought they loved us...love both and all that

Sniffle sniffle

hatrickpatrick · 26-05-2018 01:45AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'd believe many are, I've never seen so much conforming by any generation ever. Dumbed down totally by narcissism, arrogant enough to believe every pre-conditioned opinion is an "educated" one because they're in college, this kind of false hollow "aren't we all best friends, aren't we all great, let's show the world how progressive we are" vibe, and it's all for show. Total narcissism, and I'm only a few years ahead of this crowd. All "home to vote" ye, aren't we the best, don't care about the "boring fiscal or health stuff" though, when there's no pat on the back

Or, we just no longer believe in the exaltation of sex to a spiritual "sacredness" anymore, and the idea that an individual should have to abide by a rule-book regarding their own personal sexuality and body which isn't written entirely by themselves. That could be it, y'know?

eviltwin · 26-05-2018 01:46AM

amdublin wrote: »

I don't understand why they're all mad with us over on Twitter for the exit polls result.

I thought they loved us...love both and all that

Sniffle sniffle

That was all lies, they are full of hate and anger.

astrofool · 26-05-2018 01:46AM

NeoVaradkar wrote: »

Some colleges several IT's had IT's for choice t shirts printed. Not one student was asked their opinion turns out people in the student unions (3 people per college) printed them. Incredibly disingenious to state the whole colleges were pro abortion when they wasn't.

Media touch this story?. Not a chance.

Katie Ascough of UCD SUc refused abortion material to be printed but was pro life so hang her out to dry and media on it like white on rice.

Katie Ascough is one of the most disingenuous people that exists and will lie and backtrack and play the victim card to get her own way. And what's saddest about her is how her parents have used her and the No side kept wheeling her out when her only ability was to have a photogenic face. A charlatan of the highest order.

But ask me what I really think...

Movementarian · 26-05-2018 01:46AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Wow. So bitter. Those college students were once foetus’ you know? Where’d the love go?

No love for the unborn once they become born don't you know that!

_Dara_ · 26-05-2018 01:46AM

Was in stitches at this earlier. Little did I know that it could be a harbinger of things to come. :P :pac:

martingriff · 26-05-2018 01:46AM

astrofool wrote: »

I think you misread or misunderstood all these posts.... somehow...

Will technically it's up to 12 but we all know it will be 12

Sile Na Gig · 26-05-2018 01:47AM

I’ve been away too long to vote. I wish I could be there to witness it finally happening. It feels like massive social change is occurring and I’m missing it.

My mam campaigned against the 8th in 1983 and suffered terrible abuse. She wasn’t able for it this time but it will be so amazing for her to be vindicated after all these years.

The Golden Miller · 26-05-2018 01:47AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Or, we just no longer believe in the exaltation of sex to a spiritual "sacredness" anymore, and the idea that an individual should have to abide by a rule-book regarding their own personal sexuality and body which isn't written entirely by themselves. That could be it, y'know?

I'm was talking in general. As for this particular case, they all love a "progressive liberal social justice" bandwagon to jump on to get their fill of self-righteousness. The amount of faux celebrations going on tomorrow will be cringeworthy

P_1 · 26-05-2018 01:48AM

I'm so proud to be a citizen of this Republic right now. Once the politicians finally stopped kicking the can down the road we were finally able, as a public to call the 8th out as the fúcking bullshít that it was. To the women of Ireland, as a male, I'm sorry it took us so long to do this.

Scuid Mhór · 26-05-2018 01:50AM

NeoVaradkar wrote: »

Some colleges several IT's had IT's for choice t shirts printed. Not one student was asked their opinion turns out people in the student unions (3 people per college) printed them. Incredibly disingenious to state the whole colleges were pro abortion when they wasn't.

Media touch this story?. Not a chance.

Katie Ascough of UCD SUc refused abortion material to be printed but was pro life so hang her out to dry and media on it like white on rice.

And that's quite enough for this third party impartial observer. Terrifically misinformed, my good sir. One would do best to recommend you look up Dawkins or Hitchens when they liken childhood indoctrination to, well... Always remember someone is trying to profiteer from your thoughts.

martingriff · 26-05-2018 01:50AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

It's actually not the earliest it's viable, viable is when a baby can survive outside the womb, viability is usually around 24 weeks.

After 12 weeks they are more limited but with 90+% of terminations occurring before 12 weeks implies to me that the decision is made well before then.

Thanks

BabyCheeses · 26-05-2018 01:50AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'd believe many are, I've never seen so much conforming by any generation ever. Dumbed down totally by narcissism, arrogant enough to believe every pre-conditioned opinion is an "educated" one because they're in college, this kind of false hollow "aren't we all best friends, aren't we all great, let's show the world how progressive we are" vibe, and it's all for show. Total narcissism, and I'm only a few years ahead of this crowd. All "home to vote" ye, aren't we the best, don't care about the "boring fiscal or health stuff" though, when there's no pat on the back

The no side was lead by religious groups. I guess all no voters were religious conformists who think a supreme being was guiding them. How full of themselves can they be.

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 01:51AM

While the Yes side are celebrating I think its time to move towards the really difficult questions for them.
We know in countries where abortion and abortion culture is the norm, Down Syndrome babies have declined markedly.
Are Yes voters ok with that happening in Ireland?

storker · 26-05-2018 01:51AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I'm very disappointed, but as a believer in democracy it's time to move on. Well done to the yes side.

Fair play to you.

_

Kh1993 · 26-05-2018 01:52AM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

No, it's young people bowing to peer pressure and not being able to think for themselves. A mob mentality among youth voters even saw a pro life student union president thrown out.

I am only a year outside that age group and am glad to know that I was true to my thought in how I voted.

She was impeached for going against her mandate. Do keep up. Instead of this looking down on young people for having an opinion. We’re just as informed as you Pro-forced birth people.

_Dara_ · 26-05-2018 01:53AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I'm very disappointed, but as a believer in democracy it's time to move on. Well done to the yes side.

Much more magnanimous than others. And yes, it’s hard to lose. I’ve felt that sting.

ted1 · 26-05-2018 01:53AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

I’ve a few sources my ex is one of them. So I have first hand experience l.

Right so you don't have anything other than a few anecdotal sources?

I'm sorry for your experience, it must be tough to have been with a partner like that (and hopefully she didn't do any of it whilst she was with you), but that's absolutely no excuse to insinuate that because you know a few that this automatically applies to a statement that there's "many" of these women.

There’s a reason she’s an ex

Anyway here’s BBC facts that show the 34% of women have multiple abortions, I understand some will have issues such as FFA.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-18249026

26-05-2018 01:54AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'm was talking in general. As for this particular case, they all love a "progressive liberal social justice" bandwagon to jump on to get their fill of self-righteousness. The amount of faux celebrations going on tomorrow will be cringeworthy

Strange how it was the bandwagon affect for SSM and now hopefully repeal of the 8th; You'd swear only the no side were capable of independent thought, when most of the time their shown not to have it.

retro:electro · 26-05-2018 01:54AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

While the Yes side are celebrating I think its time to move towards the really difficult questions for them.
We know in countries where abortion and abortion culture is the norm, Down Syndrome babies have declined markedly.
Are Yes voters ok with that happening in Ireland?

You have already bet this drum to death and been told the score over and over. Stfu and move on.

TomOnBoard · 26-05-2018 01:54AM

Sile Na Gig wrote: »

I’ve been away too long to vote. I wish I could be there to witness it finally happening. It feels like massive social change is occurring and I’m missing it.

My mam campaigned against the 8th in 1983 and suffered terrible abuse. She wasn’t able for it this time but it will be so amazing for her to be vindicated after all these years.

She was a brave woman to do that back then. I hope she will feel vindicated by tomorrow evening.

The Golden Miller · 26-05-2018 01:54AM

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The no side was lead by religious groups. I guess all no voters were religious conformists who think a supreme being was guiding them. How full of themselves can they be.

No I believe this crowd were a minority within the pro-choice crowd, a vocal one nonethless, the majority being made up or normal people wanting to repeal for the hard cases but getting abortion on demand trundled in with it

kunst nugget · 26-05-2018 01:55AM

As I said in an earlier post, I'm forty now and I've waited my entire adult life for the opportunity to be able to repeal the eight and with each passing year and with every bit of research I've done on the topic, my conviction on the issue has only strengthened. I'm not a trendy student and I'm not mindlessly doing it for Facebook likes. The gall of some of the no voters to come on here and suggest that I only voted yes because I'm gullible is incredible. I respect your decision to vote no and the reasons you have for doing so. If the decision had gone the other way, I would have respected the democratic process.

Don't let yourselves down now by insulting those whose viewpoint differs from yours. It's only making you look bad.

_Dara_ · 26-05-2018 01:55AM

Lads, I’m too excited to sleep!

_Dara_ · 26-05-2018 01:56AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

As I said in an earlier post, I'm forty now and I've waited my entire adult life for the opportunity to be to repeal the eight and with each passing year and with every bit of research I've done on the topic, my conviction on the issue has only strengthened. I'm not a trendy student and I'm not mindlessly doing it for Facebook likes. The gall of some of the no voters to come on here and suggest that I only voted yes because I'm gullible is incredible. I respect your decision to vote no and the reasons you have for doing so. If the decision had gone the other way, I would have respected the democratic process.

Don't let yourselves down now by insulting those whose viewpoint differs from yours. It's only making you look bad.

Hear hear! Great post.

oneilla · 26-05-2018 01:57AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

How are the exit polls carried out just out of interest?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1000138517920534528

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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