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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #1652
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Noo wrote: »
    Just woke up to these landslide exit polls. Nearly in tears telling my boyfriend. Hopefully the actual result is as accurate because wow what a statement to make with the whole world watching. Im so proud.

    While I am happy it passed I ain't proud or celebrating as this means someone had to had an abortion either due to a traumatic event or they found themself pregnant (in the first 12 weeks) and doesn't want it.


  • #1653
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    No, it's young people bowing to peer pressure and not being able to think for themselves. A mob mentality among youth voters even saw a pro life student union president thrown out.

    I am only a year outside that age group and am glad to know that I was true to my thought in how I voted.

    What an insult to our young people. They aren't stupid.


  • #1654
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Agreed. The Yes side said they wouldn't celebrate.
    Guess what, most of them lied.
    You'd swear some of them had won the lottery the way they are celebrating. They need to be reminded that aborting non viable and viable foetuses is the issue and every abortion represents trauma and tragedy for both mother and foetus.

    Are you still going on about sour grapes? Go on, tell us where the parade is so we can wag shame on these people happy to have civil liberties afforded to every other first world citizen.


  • #1655
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Celebrate abortion? Nah.

    Celebrating potentially being free from an absolutely ridiculous and archaic law that reduced them to nothing more than vessels with no say or influence over the fate over their own pregnancies? Absolutely, 35 years of this nonsense, of illegal abortions, of flights and ferries across the water to access something that should have been made available to them in their own home country where they can receive the appropriate aftercare and support they deserve? I don't like abortion, but I'm glad that 3000+ women may potentially not have to be shunted off on a flight out of here. I'd rather them have it here than there, surrounded by their loved ones and great support.
    Well they have a say for 12 weeks


  • #1656
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Interesting to see what will Northern Ireland do now. Eventually will be the only area of the two islands with a restrictive abortion regime.
    Did you get get the memo Ulster Says Nooo

    In all seriousness they are a mad bunch up there , the DUP turned down an excellent BREXIT deal as they want to be just like the rest of the UK but yet they ban gay marriage, unlike the rest of the UK


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  • #1657
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    So stonewalling once again. Some pregnancies aren't noticed til later, should of read that link! So you can't accept, that maybe one person in the last 30 years in Britain, may have lied about having mental health problems in an effort to abort a healthy baby in the second trimester? But I'm being ridiculous? Not one, no?

    So you're saying one case of a second trimester abortion should prevent us from doing this? So one case is enough?

    Oh but hang on, wasnt your argument and indees the no side in general's argument that small numbers of hard cases shouldnt drive the general decision?

    Odd how one suits your narrative and the other doesnt Ronan.


  • #1658
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Does this mean all of the art students will stop draping flags over the fly-overs?


  • #1659
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    How are the exit polls carried out just out of interest?

    Interviews as they exit. The data collectors would be looking to ensure that they get a demographic balance in their interviews that represents the electorate.


  • #1660
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,382 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Greysquirel09 wrote: »
    The people have spoken. But guys seriously people raising shot glasses to the result as I seen tonight. Let's celebrate abortion. Really poor taste.

    Celebrate abortion? Nah.

    Celebrating potentially being free from an absolutely ridiculous and archaic law that reduced them to nothing more than vessels with no say or influence over the fate over their own pregnancies? Absolutely, 35 years of this nonsense, of illegal abortions, of flights and ferries across the water to access something that should have been made available to them in their own home country where they can receive the appropriate aftercare and support they deserve? I don't like abortion, but I'm glad that 3000+ women may potentially not have to be shunted off on a flight out of here. I'd rather them have it here than there, surrounded by their loved ones and great support.
    Well said.

    Thank you for your really passionate posts on the other thread.
    You took some seriously horrible crap from no posters.


  • #1661
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    martingriff wrote: »
    Well they have a say for 12 weeks

    That's fine with me considering there's statistics shown (although it is from the UK) that well over 90% of abortions take place before 12 weeks.

    I'm not comfortable with anything over that but realistically (in my opinion anyways) a pregnancy that's terminated at say 20 weeks will odds on be a pregnancy that's very much wanted but obviously something may have happened (FFA for example) that caused the termination, you get me?


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  • #1662
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Vlad Kelly wrote: »
    It's really amazing that the yes side won without having any decent arguments. You have to hand it to them, they ran a dishonest but very successful campaign and managed to brainwash some very naive college aged kids to vote for something as sick as abortion. It's really astonishing to see them succeed with so little on their side.


    Be nice to him guys, he has blue balls

    Unfortunately kid just because you live in a libby echo chamber and all your friends are epic libs doesn't mean the whole country is. I'm literally all set to nut if the NO side wins!


    Turns out most of the country are epic libs.


  • #1663
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    The proposed legislation provides for unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks. You knew that right? Its not a lie, its written in black and white.

    As usual you missed the point, he was responding to Goldenmiller who was trying to claim, weirdly, that people werent voting for 12 weeks unrestricted. When it was quite clear to people that was on the agenda. Loudly proclaimed by the No side and still seemingly a majority vote.


  • #1664
    manual_man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Voted no


  • #1665
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    hullaballoo wrote: »
    Conservatory wrote: »
    It’s just an exit poll. Hilary was president the last time and brexit was cancelled. I’d say this will be 55-45 yes. Which I think is enough that no TD will bring abortion on demand to the table. I’m happy with that

    Abortion on demand is it?

    If there was ever a phrase that sums up why your side lost, that's it.

    Abortion is not something anyone ever considers unless they absolutely have to. You would want to be in total dire straits to consider having an abortion. Whether that's mentally, physically, financially or otherwise, abortion is your last option.

    No one demands abortion and no one feels good about it.

    It's sick lies and rhetoric like this that made people vote yes to cancelling the abhorrent 8th amendment.

    As if anyone wants abortion on demand. FFS.
    Not entirely true. Many people have multiple abortions because they are lax with birth control and simply don’t want a baby. Even though they are mentally and financially able.


  • #1666
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ANDREWMUFC wrote: »
    Lets all have sex to celebrate

    It'll be kinda ironic if there's a mini baby boom next February after all the well deserved craic those who worked so hard to bring us this result will be having over the next forty eight hours.

    Looking back on it all, I regret not getting more involved. I stayed out of the public campaign until the last couple of weeks out of respect for my ex girlfriend, who has an extremely emotional and personal reason for opposing abortion and who was feeling incredibly isolated and put-upon by the overwhelming tide of pro-repeal sentiment, and out of having experienced that kind of "the whole world is telling me to go f*ck myself" feeling of hopelessness myself in the past. She knew I was pro-choice, but as a person she regularly contacts to talk to when she's having a hard time, I felt it would have really added to her misery if I'd been one of the people overtly campaigning for it on Facebook etc.
    That's why I didn't add a repeal badge to my profiler or anything until after that Claire Byrne debate, which was when I was like "f*ck this, it's not good enough anymore to just vote yes privately at the polling station, these good people (Dr Boylan in particular who is a family friend) are being attacked in a co-ordinated and revolting manner and need as much moral support as they can get". So I bit the bullet and openly declared myself as a supporter.

    Looking back though, having seen the unbelievable amount of sleepless, relentless work which went into the yes campaign particularly over the last week - one of my best friends is centrally involved in organising it and she had a tearful emotional breakdown after not sleeping for the entirety of this week and going to vote with me this morning, just with the sheer weight of this finally off her shoulders - I just feel overwhelmingly guilty for believing fundamentally in repeal for so long, but not getting actively involved in the promotion of it beyond personal conversations with friends and anonymous arguments on the internet. So much so that I'm staying in tonight and not joining any of the celebrations, just out of not feeling like this is something I deserve to be part of at least until tomorrow night when the folks who actually did all the work have had their own special moment to let it all out tonight.

    I don't know if anyone else has any experience like this - self-censoring their views so as not to profoundly upset a close friend? It seems silly now, and I'll never allow a personal issue like that to prevent me from enthusiastically campaigning for what I believe in again. I'd like to think I did what I felt was right at the time, but ultimately it's left a bittersweet taste in my mouth this evening which I wouldn't want to experience again.


  • #1667
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    eviltwin wrote: »
    What an insult to our young people. They aren't stupid.

    I'd believe many are, I've never seen so much conforming by any generation ever. Dumbed down totally by narcissism, arrogant enough to believe every pre-conditioned opinion is an "educated" one because they're in college, this kind of false hollow "aren't we all best friends, aren't we all great, let's show the world how progressive we are" vibe, and it's all for show. Total narcissism, and I'm only a few years ahead of this crowd. All "home to vote" ye, aren't we the best, don't care about the "boring fiscal or health stuff" though, when there's no pat on the back


  • #1668
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Agreed. The Yes side said they wouldn't celebrate.
    Guess what, most of them lied.
    You'd swear some of them had won the lottery the way they are celebrating. They need to be reminded that aborting non viable and viable foetuses is the issue and every abortion represents trauma and tragedy for both mother and foetus.

    In fairness this thread is fairly restrained vs what I was expecting. Little by way of nose rubbing tbf. Perhaps Twitter is different, but that is the cesspit of humanity.

    No matter where you stand in the issue, one had to acknowledge that some very dedicated campaigners have been fighting for this day for years so some small outpourings of joy is to be expected and indeed understandable.


  • #1669
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    uptherebels wrote: »
    How long has abortion been around?

    To me terminating a pregnancy you are not prepared for is the responsible thing.

    No. Wearing a condom to prevent a pregnancy you are not prepared for is the responsible thing.


  • #1670
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I don't like to count eggs before they have hatched and maybe it's just relief but.. The feeling around Dublin City right now is a thing of beauty.

    So much hidden hurt has happened to this country and I think there is healing happening.


  • #1671
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    I'd believe many are, I've never seen so much conforming by any generation ever. Dumbed down totally by narcissism, arrogant enough to believe every pre-conditioned opinion is an "educated" one because they're in college, this kind of false hollow "aren't we all best friends, aren't we all great, let's show the world how progressive we are" vibe, and it's all for show. Total narcissism, and I'm only a few years ahead of this crowd. All "home to vote" ye, aren't we the best, don't care about the "boring fiscal or health stuff" though, when there's no pat on the back

    Wow. So bitter. Those college students were once foetus’ you know? Where’d the love go?


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  • #1672
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    ted1 wrote: »
    Not entirely true. Many people have multiple abortions because they are lax with birth control and simply don’t want a baby. Even though they are mentally and financially able.

    Gotta source for this "many people" or are you merely throwing women under a bus here with such a ridiculous comment based on nothing more than assumptions?

    I'm realistic and mature enough to know that a very minute few will abuse it as such laid out in your assumption, rather than "many".


  • #1673
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Movementarian wrote: »
    As usual you missed the point, he was responding to Goldenmiller who was trying to claim, weirdly, that people werent voting for 12 weeks unrestricted. When it was quite clear to people that was on the agenda. Loudly proclaimed by the No side and still seemingly a majority vote.

    It was on the agenda, that does not mean people had a way around an all or nothing vote.


  • #1674
    NeoVaradkar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭NeoVaradkar


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    No, it's young people bowing to peer pressure and not being able to think for themselves. A mob mentality among youth voters even saw a pro life student union president thrown out.

    I am only a year outside that age group and am glad to know that I was true to my thought in how I voted.

    Some colleges several IT's had IT's for choice t shirts printed. Not one student was asked their opinion turns out people in the student unions (3 people per college) printed them. Incredibly disingenious to state the whole colleges were pro abortion when they wasn't.

    Media touch this story?. Not a chance.

    Katie Ascough of UCD SUc refused abortion material to be printed but was pro life so hang her out to dry and media on it like white on rice.


  • #1675
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    That's fine with me considering there's statistics shown (although it is from the UK) that well over 90% of abortions take place before 12 weeks.

    I'm not comfortable with anything over that but realistically (in my opinion anyways) a pregnancy that's terminated at say 20 weeks will odds on be a pregnancy that's very much wanted but obviously something may have happened (FFA for example) that caused the termination, you get me?

    I agree with you. I heard 12 weeks as it is the earliest a baby (it's what I call it) is viable. I am kind of making fun of the my body my choice banners as we should not be forced to have a pregnancy but after 12 weeks you are. Never mind the vote yes to stop shaming women. I never knew up to today I was shaming all the women I knew


  • #1676
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Be nice to him guys, he has blue balls





    Turns out most of the country are epic libs.

    The only things I'll be celebrating if the official result matches the exit poll is the sad little people will be sitting at home ranting that we voted for a woman's issue, and that we were not stupid enough to fall for the bs the no side put out.
    If the refurendum was just based on the hard cases, they would still oppose it.


  • #1677
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    The proposed legislation provides for unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks. You knew that right? Its not a lie, its written in black and white.

    I think you misread or misunderstood all these posts.... somehow...


  • #1678
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    ted1 wrote: »
    Not entirely true. Many people have multiple abortions because they are lax with birth control and simply don’t want a baby. Even though they are mentally and financially able.

    Gotta source for this "many people" or are you merely throwing women under a bus here with such a ridiculous comment based on nothing more than assumptions?

    I'm realistic and mature enough to know that a very minute few will abuse it as such laid out in your assumption, rather than "many".
    I’ve a few sources my ex is one of them. So I have first hand experience l.


  • #1679
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ted1 wrote: »
    Not entirely true. Many people have multiple abortions because they are lax with birth control and simply don’t want a baby. Even though they are mentally and financially able.

    To those who do not believe in the concept of foetal personhood during the first trimester, it's literally of no consequence. I totally get that people on the no side don't agree because they do believe in foetal personhood, but I have to say it smacks of unbelievable arrogance that they just ignore this aspect of the yes side, as if their opinion - "a first trimester foetus counts as a human being" - is inarguable scientific fact not worthy of discussion.

    As a yes supporter, I and most yes voters acknowledge the genuinely heartfelt sentiment on the no side that an early term foetus is a human being, but I find it arrogant in the extreme that most on the no side refuse to extent the same empathy to those who don't believe the same.


  • #1680
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    martingriff wrote: »
    I agree with you. I heard 12 weeks as it is the earliest a baby (it's what I call it) is viable. I am kind of making fun of the my body my choice banners as we should not be forced to have a pregnancy but after 12 weeks you are. Never mind the vote yes to stop shaming women. I never knew up to today I was shaming all the women I knew

    It's actually not the earliest it's viable, viable is when a baby can survive outside the womb, viability is usually around 24 weeks.

    After 12 weeks they are more limited but with 90+% of terminations occurring before 12 weeks implies to me that the decision is made well before then.


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  • #1681
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Movementarian wrote: »
    So you're saying one case of a second trimester abortion should prevent us from doing this? So one case is enough?

    Oh but hang on, wasnt your argument and indees the no side in general's argument that small numbers of hard cases shouldnt drive the general decision?

    Odd how one suits your narrative and the other doesnt Ronan.

    No I'm saying you can't accept this happened even once. Are you now accepting that maybe it does happen?


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