Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

PurvesGrundy · 25-05-2018 03:50PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

There are no terms. It's either yes or no to repealing. You are not being asked to vote on the proposed legislation.

Well that is what I meant. I am not happy to vote for the legislation that will come about as a result of a Yes vote. I think it is liberalism gone crazy.

revelman · 25-05-2018 03:51PM

Infini wrote: »

Id say theres a few fearing a narrow No vote but I dont think it will happen. The No campaign has primarily been fearmongering and negativity and IMO not credible with facts and as such I dont think theyll win because of it.

Voted Yes because the constitution is not the place for this. It never was and only ended up there because of meddling by one side to shut down anything on thr subject regardless of the circumstances.

I completely agree with you about what the official No campaign were doing. I also think that there were some unhelpful people on the Yes side.

The mistake a lot of people are making, however, is associating the ordinary No voter out there with those extreme people who were supposedly 'representing' them in the media. Some are like this of course. But a lot of ordinary No voters agree that abortion should be allowed in cases of FFA, rape, incest etc but are uncomfortable with abortion on demand. The official campaigns do not tolerate abortion under any circumstances. There is a massive gulf between what is going on in the campaigns and on the ground on the No side and I think this means the result will be closer than many people realise. Personally, I still think it will be a 55% yes victory.

juanjo · 25-05-2018 03:51PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Well that is what I meant. I am not happy to vote for the legislation that will come about as a result of a Yes vote. I think it is liberalism gone crazy.

So you think the legislation in all western european countries is crazy but poland has it right. ok.

retro:electro · 25-05-2018 03:51PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Well that is what I meant. I am not happy to vote for the legislation that will come about as a result of a Yes vote. I think it is liberalism gone crazy.

Women taking control of their health and bodies! Won’t somebody stop the madness!

Mr. CooL ICE · 25-05-2018 03:52PM

Mod: Lads, keep it to your vote and results discussion. No need for the above deleted crap.

Coillte_Bhoy · 25-05-2018 03:52PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Well that is what I meant. I am not happy to vote for the legislation that will come about as a result of a Yes vote. I think it is liberalism gone crazy.

You are not voting for legislation. :rolleyes:

jigglypuffstuff · 25-05-2018 03:52PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

It's standard practice to publish a draft of proposed changes to the law if a referendum is carried, as we saw in the children's referendum and the marriage equality referendum.

And without getting into a discussion about the content, the government couldn't not publish a draft really. The No side would have completely gone to town making all sorts of claims about what the new laws would say, and they'd be very hard to counter without draft legislation out there. It puts a framework on the discussion and gives people something to refer back to.

Nothing in that aforementioned referenda was as divisive as this. The government has basically suggested either it's all ok or none of it is. The reality of the situation is a huge amount of people don't buy into it as black or white... rather its shades of grey

I don't think anyone would be questioning the results if this was approached properly...even then when the yes wins (my opinion) the resistance and whatnot will
probably continue

Adamocovic · 25-05-2018 03:52PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I thought they would have been mad to see a reduction in the amount of Catholics being born.

Perhaps....reverse psychology.

What are those Fanta drinking, parade marching, eejits up to?

Amirani · 25-05-2018 03:52PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Orange Order says “no” to abortion referendum in Ireland.

Wish they'd thrown their support for "No" into the ring more vocally earlier! :pac:

Dakota Dan · 25-05-2018 03:52PM

Anastasia_ wrote: »

I voted yes at 7am this morning. After nearly 10 years of sexual abuse the catholic church and iona have NEVER offered me any sort of support. To believe they should start caring now is an absolute insult. Tá for Mná.

So you voted yes to get back at the Catholic Church?

Gravelly · 25-05-2018 03:53PM

I've been swaying from No to Yes, and back again over the past few weeks. Finally decided on Wednesday that I was definitely going to vote No. Went in half an hour ago and voted Yes.

Crossing my fingers and hoping that, for once, the politicians do the right thing when passing the legislation.

uptherebels · 25-05-2018 03:53PM

minikin wrote: »

Babies being pulled limb from limb by the thousand isn’t a holocaust???
Someone needs a new moral compass.

Thousands of babies being pulled limb from limb? Someone needs to do a bit more research

Sardonicat · 25-05-2018 03:53PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Well that is what I meant. I am not happy to vote for the legislation that will come about as a result of a Yes vote. I think it is liberalism gone crazy.

We don't yet know what that legislation will be. Proposed legislation is just that; proposed.

PurvesGrundy · 25-05-2018 03:54PM

juanjo wrote: »

So you think the legislation is all western european countries is crazy but poland has it right. ok.

The proposed legislation goes even further than many western European countries allow. That is my issue with it and I feel I am entitled to my opinion.

25-05-2018 03:55PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You are not voting for legislation. :rolleyes:

Please, it's the flimsiest of flimsy technical points. Are people voting yes just voting go back to the pre-8th situation?

deaddonkey15 · 25-05-2018 03:55PM

I voted yes because I feel it is the right thing to do. However I really don't like the tactics and representatives of the Yes campaign and am loath to support them.

copeyhagen · 25-05-2018 03:56PM

uptherebels wrote: »

Thousands of babies being pulled limb from limb? Someone needs to do a bit more research

they have been copying and pasting that in every thread. /ignore

revelman · 25-05-2018 03:57PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

We don't yet know what that legislation will be. Proposed legislation is just that; proposed.

Ah come on, a bit of realpolitik is needed. Nobody can seriously doubt that if this is a Yes vote, especially a resounding Yes vote, that politicians will see this as a green light to implement the legislation they outlined ahead of the referendum. Can you envisage a situation where, if this is a Yes vote, politicians will turn around and seek to legislate for the hard cases only?

kunst nugget · 25-05-2018 03:57PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I voted yes because I feel it is the right thing to do. However I really don't like the tactics and representatives of the Yes campaign and am loath to support them.

I'll be honest, I did my best to ignore both campaigns as I already knew where my vote lay but what did they do that was so odious?

PurvesGrundy · 25-05-2018 03:58PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You are not voting for legislation. :rolleyes:

I realise the vote is about having the eighth amendment abolished. Be as pedantic as you want, but I will be respectful to your views and you should be respectful to mine.

NuMarvel · 25-05-2018 03:58PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Nothing in that aforementioned referenda was as divisive as this. The government has basically suggested either it's all ok or none of it is. The reality of the situation is a huge amount of people don't buy into it as black or white... rather its shades of grey

I don't think anyone would be questioning the results if this was approached properly...even then when the yes wins (my opinion) the resistance and whatnot will
probably continue

As I say, whatever about the content of the outline they published, I think you'd agree they had to publish something, which is what I originally took your issue to be. They couldn't just say "We'll talk about that afterwards"; it would have completely scuppered the chances of a Yes vote.

ELM327 · 25-05-2018 03:59PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

The proposed legislation goes even further than many western European countries allow. That is my issue with it and I feel I am entitled to my opinion.

Our current legislation is 24 weeks as voted by public vote (13th and 14th amendment)
Just because we outsource it doesnt change the status quo of women forced to travel.

Anastasia_ · 25-05-2018 03:59PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So you voted yes to get back at the Catholic Church?

No. I voted yes because I think it is a sad state of affairs that I have to consider myself 'lucky' that I didn't fall pregnant at 10 years of age. I cannot explain the fear I felt, and so I cannot even comprehend the fear I would've felt if I had found out I was pregnant.

I voted yes for Ms Y, and Ms X, and Ms P. I voted yes for 10 year old me. I voted yes for every woman on this island.

I will not stand by and watch the church and iona pledge to provide support. They do not care. They never have and they never, ever will.

Amirani · 25-05-2018 04:00PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Blame the government because it was their idiot Idea to draft a legislation prematurelythat s led to this country being dividede

It would have been entirely irresponsible for the Government to not publish a draft of the legislation they were intending to implement. Most reasonable people see the logic of this.

minikin · 25-05-2018 04:01PM

uptherebels wrote: »

Thousands of babies being pulled limb from limb? Someone needs to do a bit more research

You're right of course, excuse my un-researched estimate... it'll be tens of thousands.

Mod: Don't post here again.

Billy86 · 25-05-2018 04:01PM

juanjo wrote: »

So you think the legislation in all western european countries is crazy but poland has it right. ok.

Poland has considerably more open laws on abortion than us by the looks of it - foetal health, mental health, rape, incest, and physical health. Social/economic reasons appear to be the only ones they say no to.

In fact, and yes it's a glance chart rather than detailed policy, but it would appear the only countries that can easily be said to have more restrictive abortion laws than Ireland in the entire world are: El Salvador, Nigaragua, Malta and the Dominican Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

To jump back on topic, the fact that the restrictions are -so- tight in Ireland is actually something that has helped the 'yes' campaign in it's own way (though also could be said to be the reason for it's very existence), and I think is playing a role in the stories we are hearing of religious or conservative people, typically of the older generation, actually voting yes even when they disagree with abortion.

Dakota Dan · 25-05-2018 04:01PM

forumlover wrote: »

Voted YES

Actually, I'm alive because of Repeal the Eighth.

coz If I had voted No, the wife would've killed me!!

The wife wearing the trousers? You sir need to grow a pair.

minikin · 25-05-2018 04:03PM

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Yes, thanks for asking.
Have a great day.

juanjo · 25-05-2018 04:04PM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

The proposed legislation goes even further than many western European countries allow. That is my issue with it and I feel I am entitled to my opinion.

That is simply not true, the proposed legislation has been drafted by using european legislation as guide.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/abortion-legislation/europe.php

kunst nugget · 25-05-2018 04:04PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The wife wearing the trousers? You sir need to grow a pair.

Tell her to get back into the kitchen and make you a sandwich, wha! wha!

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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