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The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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  • #3482
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    So does child trafficking. Should we legalise it? Genuine question.

    Is it written into the Irish constitution that we have a legal right to travel abroad to traffic children?
    Is it a constitutionally protected right?


  • #3483
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I know a few people voting either way because the way the "other side are going on".

    That's so strange to me. Spite voting.


  • #3484
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,083 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    gctest50 wrote: »
    It shows why they should introduce a bit of critical thinking and fact checking and stuff to schools

    In catholic schools? No chance...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #3485
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Grayditch wrote: »
    I know a few people voting either way because the way the "other side are going on".

    That's so strange to me. Spite voting.

    My mother once voted No to a referendum simply because "she was in a bad mood". I bit my tongue so hard I nearly bit it off.

    Unfortunately a lot of people are idiots. And their vote counts as much as anyone else's.


  • #3486
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Grayditch wrote: »
    I know a few people voting either way because the way the "other side are going on".

    That's so strange to me. Spite voting.

    They're not "spite voting". If the campaign they were voting against were sunshine and rainbows they would still vote against it.

    It's an easy way to justify your vote to others without engaging in the issue.


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  • #3487
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    Blud wrote: »
    Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

    Or is campaigning completely pointless?

    Tbh, there is absolutely nothing the no side could have said to make me vote anything other than yes. My mind was firmly made up long before we even had a date for the voting. And I appreciate that there are people exactly like me on the no side and if there opinion is based on fact I accept that. What I can’t accept is people voting no based on lies or misunderstanding the proposed legislation.

    Good question though!


  • #3488
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Are you saying that these faceless strangers will be better off having these babies that they do not want, even though we have no idea of their circumstances?
    Do you think you have a better idea of what’s good for a woman than she does? Even a woman you don’t know?

    By voting No you are deciding on her behalf. You are saying you know better than her.
    She doesn’t need to be saved from herself.

    How would a woman even know if an abortion is the best choice? How will she know how she will feel in ten or twenty years from having it? The answer is nobody knows. I simply don't believe in denying clear potential life due to circumstance.

    If this referendum was purely focused on life threatening situations, I would of course vote yes but it's not. We have to vote based on the current set of facts.


  • #3489
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Grayditch wrote: »
    I know a few people voting either way because the way the "other side are going on".

    That's so strange to me. Spite voting.

    Tbh I'll never really be convinced people who say that were ever going to do anything other than vote the way they did, but felt guilty about it for whatever reason, and wanted to justify it.


  • #3490
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    How would a woman even know if an abortion is the best choice? How will she know how she will feel in ten or twenty years from having it? The answer is nobody knows. I simply don't believe in denying clear potential life due to circumstance.

    If this referendum was purely focused on life threatening situations, I would of course vote yes but it's not. We have to vote based on the current set of facts.

    You could say that about any major life decision tbh. I'd imagine most women having abortions have done a lot of thinking about their options. We don't possess foresight unfortunately so we have to make the best decisions based on our circumstances at the time.


  • #3491
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    I saw you were selling tickets to them :pac:

    I wasn’t selling any tickets? seek help


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  • #3492
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Have only been able to give a handful of evenings towards canvassing and leafleting but glad I did it. We've been finally offered an opportunity to change a law that has been utterly regressive and hampered medical care for women. I hope everyone will use their vote and I hope that a yes vote will pass. Now some Irish comedians for choice....


  • #3493
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    How would a woman even know if an abortion is the best choice? How will she know how she will feel in ten or twenty years from having it? The answer is nobody knows. I simply don't believe in denying clear potential life due to circumstance.

    If this referendum was purely focused on life threatening situations, I would of course vote yes but it's not. We have to vote based on the current set of facts.

    How would a woman even know? Are you serious?
    Statistics tell us that 97% of Irish women do not regret their abortion, as published in a study by the Irish institute of obstetrics and gynaecologists.

    And regardless, we cannot deny the choice to others because a very small minority might have regrets.

    The fact is that the 8th is a dangerous piece of ambiguous text that causes confusion during emergencies and has massive impacts on maternity care for women with wanted pregnancies... and that’s without even putting abortion into the equation.


  • #3494
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    How would a woman even know if an abortion is the best choice?

    ...Why would you know better?


  • #3495
    FingerDeKat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭FingerDeKat


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    How would a woman even know if an abortion is the best choice?
    She'd know more than you and anyways how is it your business?


  • #3496
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    ...Why would you know better?

    That's democracy for you isn't it? You choose what you believe is the right choice given the circumstances and not because the majority sway a certain way.

    'Yes' is too open for my liking.
    FingerDeKat wrote: »
    She'd know more than you and anyways how is it your business?

    So I should just stay out of it unless I'm voting yes?


  • #3497
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    That's democracy for you isn't it? You choose what you believe is the right choice given the circumstances and not because the majority sway a certain way.

    'Yes' is too open for my liking.



    So I should just stay out of it unless I'm voting yes    ?
    That's generally the way it works around here.


  • #3498
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,865 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Grayditch wrote: »
    I know a few people voting either way because the way the "other side are going on".

    That's so strange to me. Spite voting.

    I pretty much hate both sides but firmly voting yes... There were people on twitter in repeal badges blaming men for the awful murders last week... Absolute cnts...


  • #3499
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    theballz wrote: »
    I wasn’t selling any tickets? seek help

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98842754&postcount=2946

    So you were a fan of the opposition Man City, still representative of my understanding. Are you happy with the exporting of Irish women to Manchester to cease pregnancy?


  • #3500
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,716 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Yeah, that's what they say.

    But in fact, all the prominent No folks were against the PoLDPA because it allows abortion in the hardest of hard cases, so actually, no I don't believe this at all.

    It's just something to say that sounds more reasonable than "The Bishop said so".
    That was a serious gotcha moment in last nights debate where the No side obstetrician was talking up poldpa and then reminded that he opposed that bill as it was proposed

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #3501
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    That's democracy for you isn't it?

    You weren't talking about the Referendum in general there though, champ.

    "Woman", a hypothetical singular woman. How *she* would know. How would *she* even know - better than you - what's right for her. Where on earth did she get notions like that?


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  • #3502
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,083 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    I don't doubt it. Pity about the collateral damage.

    Yes the 8th has caused lots of "collateral damage".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #3503
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Has there been many fact-based arguments from the No side, or where the facts are relevant?

    It's a genuine question, I'd love to hear something that will make me consider my position.

    Well I haven't heard anything that would change my view. All I heard initially from the No side were a combination of stories designed to tug at the heartstrings, abusive images and language intended to horrify.

    That patently hasn't gone down so well, so now it's more a message of vote No, if you're unsure and we'll sort out the 'hard cases' afterwards. Anyone who believes that is a complete sucker.

    The No side have only ONE item on their agenda and that is to Retain the 8th at all costs and by whatever means.


  • #3504
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    You weren't talking about the Referendum in general there though, champ.

    "Woman", a hypothetical singular woman. How *she* would know. How would *she* even know - better than you - what's right for her. Where on earth did she get notions like that?

    I surely was talking about the referendum. We're not talking about anyone in particular so I have to speak hypothetically.

    I stand by what I said.


  • #3505
    FingerDeKat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭FingerDeKat


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    So I should just stay out of it unless I'm voting yes?
    Don't answer a question with a question.


    Can you answer my original question ?
    and anyways how is it your business?


  • #3506
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    FingerDeKat wrote: »
    Don't answer a question with a question.


    Can you answer my original question ?

    Maybe he doesn't like the idea of people choosing to kill babies. Just a thought.


  • #3507
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,621 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98842754&postcount=2946

    So you were a fan of the opposition Man City, still representative of my understanding. Are you happy with the exporting of Irish women to Manchester to cease pregnancy?
    Mod note: Quit that rubbish now! I've deleted posts earlier and I will be banning if this crap continues. There is no reason to bring football teams into the discussion.



    BTJ


  • #3508
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98842754&postcount=2946

    So you were a fan of the opposition Man City, still representative of my understanding. Are you happy with the exporting of Irish women to Manchester to cease pregnancy?

    So because an English football team and have said I am voting no means I am exporting women to support Manchester? Extremely childish assumption.

    I am voting no because it is my political right as an Irish citizen to do so. My reason behind doing so will not be discussed with someone who is clearly incapable of having an intellectual debate about the matter.


  • #3509
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    So does child trafficking. Should we legalise it? Genuine question.
    Pac1Man wrote: »
    I surely was talking about the referendum. We're not talking about anyone in particular so I have to speak hypothetically.

    I stand by what I said.

    The women’s lives aren’t hypothetical.
    They’re the women you see around you every day.
    Why are you in a better place to decide what’s best for any single one of them then they are?


  • #3510
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Not sure If I'm up for watching the Pat Kenny Show debate tonight after such a glorious day here today. I might watch The Assassination of Gianni Versace on RTE 2 instead as it might make for more light-hearted viewing.


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  • #3511
    FingerDeKat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭FingerDeKat


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Maybe he doesn't like the idea of people choosing to kill babies. Just a thought.
    Well let him answer:rolleyes:



    At 12 weeks they are fetuses btw


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