The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Timberrrrrrrr

Pac1Man wrote: »

I passed a few 'Beep for Yes' campaigners on the road over the last few days with big beaming smiles on their faces. Incredible at how removed they are from the reality of the situation and what they are campaigning for.

They are happy because they see the 8th about to be removed and women will finally have full rights to make choices for themselves.

fxotoole

antiskeptic wrote: »

Revenge is a dish best served cold

Today is a good day to die

antiskeptic

CPTM wrote: »

I would be interested in seeing a boards poll on what people think will be the outcome of the referendum. Not what they believe should be the outcome, but what they think will actually happen.

It'd be interesting to see a boards-wide poll on whether folk think they ought to have been presented a choice shy of abortion on demand. Whether deliverable or not.

Conservatory

antiskeptic wrote: »

It'd be interesting to see a boards-wide poll on whether folk think they ought to have been presented a choice shy of abortion on demand. Whether deliverable or not.

It would have romped home.

Bannasidhe

antiskeptic wrote: »

Revenge is a dish best served cold

On the contrary. The flame of righteous indignation burns just as bright.

Revenge is a dish best enjoyed á la flambé.

eviltwin

CPTM wrote: »

I would be interested in seeing a boards poll on what people think will be the outcome of the referendum. Not what they believe should be the outcome, but what they think will actually happen.

Reason is because most of the people in my life would be yes voters, but I was shocked to hear from some of them today that they believe a no vote will win over by a tiny margin, because of rural Ireland. When I asked around, it seemed like this was the general consensus. Could we have a poll or have I missed one somewhere? I didn't want to start one myself without checking with an existing thread.

I'd like a poll where posters can say how they voted. It would be interesting to see how boards compares with the National vote

Blud

Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

Or is campaigning completely pointless?

CPTM

antiskeptic wrote: »

It'd be interesting to see a boards-wide poll on whether folk think they ought to have been presented a choice shy of abortion on demand. Whether deliverable or not.

True - is that what we legally have now though since 2013 bill?

Pac1Man

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They are happy because they see the 8th about to be removed and women will finally have full rights to make choices for themselves.

Yep. All about themselves.

No thoughts or consideration for the door they are about to open.

Regardless of the arguments put forward, I think Yes will win handily. It's a sad reflection of how flippant we are as a whole.

eviltwin

Blud wrote: »

Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

Or is campaigning completely pointless?

I've convinced a few Nos to vote Yes so definitely worth it.

jill_valentine

Blud wrote: »

Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

Or is campaigning completely pointless?

I think it's mainly to motivate the foggy middle to get out and vote at all. Those folks aren't that actively engaged otherwise, so won't show up in threads like this.

erica74

Blud wrote: »

Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

Or is campaigning completely pointless?

Campaigning isn't pointless once it's fact based and reasonable and people are willing to really listen and put themselves in her shoes.

Timberrrrrrrr

Pac1Man wrote: »

Yep. All about themselves.

No thoughts or consideration for the door they are about to open.

Regardless of the arguments put forward, I think Yes will win handily. It's a sad reflection of how flippant we are as a whole.

Honest question, what do you think is going to happen over say the next 5 years?

How do you envisage Ireland if the 8th is repealed? What is this "door" you speak of and what's on the other side?

SusieBlue

Only just got round to watching last nights debate. Simon Harris played an absolute blinder.
Really hit the important points home, he was articulate, concise, and strong.
Really really impressed. He did a fantastic job.

Blud

eviltwin wrote: »

I've convinced a few Nos to vote Yes so definitely worth it.

And out of interest, do you think you've convinced any yes to vote no?

I mean, I find campaigners insufferable in the main, even those on the side I'm voting on. All present their propaganda as truth, none can be trusted, accountable to nobody. I've avoided everyone as I imagine a campaigner on my side have a likely to annoy me into switching sides as a campaigner on the other is to persuade me to change.

Am I just contrary because of my superiority complex?

Conservatory

Blud wrote: »

Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

Or is campaigning completely pointless?

No it’s rediculous. It’s not like voting for a td. People make up their minds on stuff like this and stick to it. I think people campaign on this issue more so to fuel their ego by thinking they are liberating the world or help their low self esteem by hating sinners. The majority of people will just go and vote and will tell the annoying friend that won’t stop rabbiting on about the issue that they voted how they asked told them to.

SusieBlue

Pac1Man wrote: »

Yep. All about themselves.

No thoughts or consideration for the door they are about to open.

Regardless of the arguments put forward, I think Yes will win handily. It's a sad reflection of how flippant we are as a whole.

What is your advice and what solution can you offer to the 9 women who travelled for an abortion today, and the 3 women taking illegal tablets with no supervision?

My thoughts and consideration are with them. What are you offering them, besides positive vibes?

CPTM

Blud wrote: »

Quick question - is there anyone on here that has had their mind changedregarding how they were going to vote from talking to a campaigner from either side?

Or is campaigning completely pointless?

I remember starting as a no vote a year and a half ago because I was (and am) personally anti-abortion. I have read up on a lot of stuff since then and I've changed to a yes vote now. I'm sure campaigning was in the mix, but mostly stats and listening to mates debating it out. Recent campaigning efforts from both sides have me disgusted now though. It's getting very petty.

Blud

erica74 wrote: »

Campaigning isn't pointless once it's fact based and reasonable and people are willing to really listen and put themselves in her shoes.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You mention fact-based and reasonable and then "her shoes" - so only fact-based and reasonable if voting yes?

The type of stuff that annoys me, and I'm a yes voter.

antiskeptic

Conservatory wrote: »

But my choice has nothing to do with fanatics. They just seem to be voting the same as me on this issue.

Beware to not overpost. The quality can only go down

Wrongway1985

antiskeptic wrote: »

This is about the most natural, instinctual, non-vindictive, unbiased call for a NO that I've seen in the last 500Gb of information I've either posted or consumed.

Well done Sir!

All that's processed though is his OWN life.

Shows a lack of understanding that if a woman demands an abortion she will undeniably get one. Just not legally here and in the jurisdiction of a developed country. The people that are restricted of course are the very small minority those with f all money or without a passport so likely young and underage people. That is the sad setup desired by "pro-life" people to continue.

NIMAN

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Honest question, what do you think is going to happen over say the next 5 years?

How do you envisage Ireland if the 8th is repealed? What is this "door" you speak of and what's on the other side?

I would hazard a guess that in maybe 20yrs time, we will have an abortion 'system' that more or less mirrors the UKs.

brooke 2

woejus wrote: »

She's a lawyer also, did you know that? The only lawyer.
Did she mention she's a lawyer? Just in case you missed it, she's a lawyer.

Once more, she's a lawyer.

Read elsewhere that Maria Steen and Teresa Lowe are also related!

Pac1Man

SusieBlue wrote: »

What is your advice and what solution can you offer to the 9 women who travelled for an abortion today, and the 3 women taking illegal tablets with no supervision?

My thoughts and consideration are with them. What are you offering them, besides positive vibes?

Maybe not have an abortion?

erica74

SusieBlue wrote: »

What is your advice and what solution can you offer to the 9 women who travelled for an abortion today, and the 3 women taking illegal tablets with no supervision?

My thoughts and consideration are with them. What are you offering them, besides positive vibes?

Positive vibes:pac:

SusieBlue

NIMAN wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that in maybe 20yrs time, we will have an abortion 'system' that more or less mirrors the UKs.

Our current system IS the UK.
We export all our abortion services to their healthcare system.
There is absolutely no worries about it being like that in 20 years because that’s exactly what we have now, and that’s the system we allow care for our women.

Ave Sodalis

Blud wrote: »

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You mention fact-based and reasonable and then "her shoes" - so only fact-based and reasonable if voting yes?

The type of stuff that annoys me, and I'm a yes voter.

Has there been many fact-based arguments from the No side, or where the facts are relevant?

It's a genuine question, I'd love to hear something that will make me consider my position.

Bannasidhe

NIMAN wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that in maybe 20yrs time, we will have an abortion 'system' that more or less mirrors the UKs.

Ours already mirrors theirs because it is theirs.

Perhaps in 20 years time theirs will mirror ours.

SusieBlue

Pac1Man wrote: »

Maybe not have an abortion?

Sorry I’m not being facetious but is really, really unhelpful advice to someone having a crisis.

You’re going to have to do better than ‘just dont’.

erica74

Blud wrote: »

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You mention fact-based and reasonable and then "her shoes" - so only fact-based and reasonable if voting yes?

The type of stuff that annoys me, and I'm a yes voter.

Well what are the facts and reasoned arguments from the No side? Please enlighten me.