The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

fxotoole · 23-05-2018 06:54PM

Addle wrote: »

I really don't like the correlation some campaigners make between the marriage referendum and the repeal the 8th referendum.
Just no comparisons between them at all.

Only link between them is that the Catholic Church are opposed to both

DickSwiveller · 23-05-2018 06:54PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Only link between them is that the Catholic Church are opposed to both

And the obsession with the church goes on......

Trasna1 · 23-05-2018 06:56PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I totally agree - they are completely separate issues.

The marriage referendum is important because it hints at the size of the socially conservative electorate. I can't imagine that they're will be many who voted No to marriage equality who will be a yes on Friday.

fxotoole · 23-05-2018 06:57PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

And the obsession with the church goes on......

Maybe the church should stick their nose out of this one

spookwoman · 23-05-2018 06:57PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

What an earth has that got to do with anything? How about the fact that WHO and Amnesty both advocate a repeal?

No, what organisation does?

Don't feed it, they are just arguing for the sake of it now.

Conservatory · 23-05-2018 06:59PM

eviltwin wrote: »

And you don't know the situation of every other woman either but it didnt stop you making assumptions

You sound a bit caught up in some sort of rambunctiousness. I’m not an enemy of yours I think I just have a different viewpoint to you.

I’m not some Iona institute nutter. I just think the legislation went too far. It could have cruised through with the dangerous situations or suicidal stuff I’d have been happy with that. But they went too far in my opinion with the on demand.
I don’t want to get in a personal squabble with you about your abortion.

gctest50 · 23-05-2018 06:59PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Tell that to the UN
A United Nations committee has found Ireland violated the human rights of a woman who had to travel to Britain for an abortion after her baby was diagnosed with a fatal foetal abnormality.
Last year, the Government agreed to pay Amanda Mellet €30,000 compensation after the UN body found her rights had been violated.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-abortion-law-violated-woman-s-human-rights-un-says-1.3118145

Any woman in Ireland forced to travel (because ffa ) are having their rights violated

"Prof Sarah Cleveland, an independent member of the UN committee, has told The Irish Times that if women in a similar situation to Ms Mellet took a case to the committee, the Government would also be required to pay them compensation."

DickSwiveller · 23-05-2018 06:59PM

Conservatory wrote: »

You sound a bit caught up in some sort of rambunctiousness. I’m not an enemy of yours I think I just have a different viewpoint to you.

I’m not some Iona institute nutter. I just think the legislation went too far. It could have cruised through with the dangerous situations or suicidal stuff I’d have been happy with that. But they went too far in my opinion with the on demand.
I don’t want to get in a personal squabble with you about your abortion.

Only one opinion allowed here.

fxotoole · 23-05-2018 07:01PM

Conservatory wrote: »

You sound a bit caught up in some sort of rambunctiousness. I’m not an enemy of yours I think I just have a different viewpoint to you.

I’m not some Iona institute nutter. I just think the legislation went too far. It could have cruised through with the dangerous situations or suicidal stuff I’d have been happy with that. But they went too far in my opinion with the on demand.
I don’t want to get in a personal squabble with you about your abortion.

The legislation isn't set in stone yet. If you think the proposed legislation is going too far, vote Yes, and then lobby to have it made more conservative.

Wrongway1985 · 23-05-2018 07:01PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Katie Ascough is gorgeous. Why are conservative women always so attractive?

Her lifestyle I suppose could be diet,amount of sleep she gets,watching abortions online,fitness.

Conservatory · 23-05-2018 07:04PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Only one opinion allowed here.

People in public don’t admit to no voting Incase people think they are odd. I say it openly to anyone who is obviously not gonna start ranting and raving about it and it seems most people are like me. Not church heads or feminists just somewhere in the middle and think the line was drawn to far opening the door for on demand abortions.

Bannasidhe · 23-05-2018 07:04PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Katie Ascough is gorgeous. Why are conservative women always so attractive?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 23-05-2018 07:04PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Twisting what I said to suit yourself as usual. But what else should we expect from a lying liar who lies.

Mod note: retro:electro!, don't post in this thread again.

For everyone in general, abuse will get you a ban!

I cannot make it any simpler for you than that.

Buford T. Justice.

eviltwin · 23-05-2018 07:05PM

Conservatory wrote: »

You sound a bit caught up in some sort of rambunctiousness. I’m not an enemy of yours I think I just have a different viewpoint to you.

I’m not some Iona institute nutter. I just think the legislation went too far. It could have cruised through with the dangerous situations or suicidal stuff I’d have been happy with that. But they went too far in my opinion with the on demand.
I don’t want to get in a personal squabble with you about your abortion.

hey don't get ratty because I pointed out the inconsistency in your post. If you are going to come out with a claim that abortion is in the main a young womens issue when it's not then prepare to get called out on it.

Bannasidhe · 23-05-2018 07:06PM

Conservatory wrote: »

rambunctiousness.

I may get that on a t-shirt for when my obstreperous one is in the wash.

brooke 2 · 23-05-2018 07:07PM

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Women don't count in this argument. Their bodies are mere vessels. Pregnancy and childbirth are just blips. Sure, what are nine months out
of a woman's life? I wonder how many of the 'No' folk are working beside pregnant women who are frequently ill as a result of their 'condition'?
Do they show them much compassion and understanding? I'll bet there are quite a few of them who might not, going by the lack of empathy they
display in their various comments on here.

Galwayguy35 · 23-05-2018 07:09PM

Simon Harris did well last night in the debate.

The No side seems to be falling apart at this stage, Maria Steen is their strongest debater and it looks like she will be a no show for the TV3 debate.

Pac1Man · 23-05-2018 07:09PM

I passed a few 'Beep for Yes' campaigners on the road over the last few days with big beaming smiles on their faces. Incredible at how removed they are from the reality of the situation and what they are campaigning for.

nullzero · 23-05-2018 07:10PM

Pac1Man wrote: »

I passed a few 'Beep for Yes' campaigners on the road over the last few days with big beaming smiles on their faces. Incredible at how removed they are from the reality of the situation and what they are campaigning for.

Prepare to be savaged...

spookwoman · 23-05-2018 07:11PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Simon Harris did well last night in the debate.

The No side seems to be falling apart at this stage, Maria Steen is their strongest debater and it looks like she will be a no show for the TV3 debate.

She's back on for tonight

spookwoman · 23-05-2018 07:16PM

nullzero wrote: »

Prepare to be savaged...

By obstreperous, rambunctious and tumultous people

kylith · 23-05-2018 07:17PM

Pac1Man wrote: »

I passed a few 'Beep for Yes' campaigners on the road over the last few days with big beaming smiles on their faces. Incredible at how removed they are from the reality of the situation and what they are campaigning for.

I don’t find the prospect of control over my health depressing, tbh.

antiskeptic · 23-05-2018 07:17PM

Conservatory wrote: »

I was just sitting there thinking about this abortion thing.

I have a cart load of kids. Each time I pregnatised somebody and their mother told me I thought it was the end of the world. There was never a question of abortion. I’m glad I had them all now.

Should we have them on demand for every scared 18 year old or for every woman who decides she just has to do that last year of a college course without taking a break.

I’d have been all for a yes vote until the on demand came into play. I think sometimes the child is important enough to force somebody to turn their lives upside down for a year or two.

There is all sorts of birth control and welfare available to parents these days. I always hear the story of women getting abortions and regretting them because men told them to or because men left but now we have family courts for this.

I am in no way religious or anything I just can’t bring myself to give an 18 year old girl a choice whether to not have a baby she will wonder about for the rest of her life for decisions they think are important at 18 but are silly when you get a bit older and realize.

I wasn’t going to vote but seeing all the college people everywhere today got me thinking about it and I have a polling card in the door I may as well.

I’m not really bothered arguing about this with some idealist or anything you arnt going to change anybodies opinion by arguing with them on boards with multiquotes.

I’m shocked at how much effort some people go to to campaign about this. Your great grand mother risked all sorts of horrible eventualities to have you. Abortions on demand will be taken by girls who would rather go to aus for a year before starting a family. I just can’t get into that idea.

This is about the most natural, instinctual, non-vindictive, unbiased call for a NO that I've seen in the last 500Gb of information I've either posted or consumed.

Well done Sir!

Pac1Man · 23-05-2018 07:18PM

kylith wrote: »

I don’t find the prospect of control over my health depressing, tbh.

I don't doubt it. Pity about the collateral damage.

Bannasidhe · 23-05-2018 07:20PM

kylith wrote: »

I don’t find the prospect of control over my health depressing, tbh.

I find the prospect of my granddaughter enjoying a level of choice and bodily autonomy denied to me and her mother positively invigorating.

Plus I am delighted that my 18 year old self who was so abused by Pro-lifers back in '83 grew up to see the Ireland I wanted back then is happening now.

antiskeptic · 23-05-2018 07:21PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Katie Ascough is gorgeous. Why are conservative women always so attractive?

Because you know they can't be had just like that?

*splutter* I mean, that's the perception of them.

BarryD2 · 23-05-2018 07:24PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

There's no perfect answer here. Whatever happens on Friday we will have an imperfect solution. But I'm voting for what I consider to be the least imperfect, and that is a NO vote because in my opinion that is the one that will result in the lesser number of lives being lost.

That will be a vote for hypocrisy and a vote to deny a choice to those who feel otherwise than you. You will also being allowing yourself to be manipulated by a very narrow minded and small group of fanatics.

Try that in your conscience when the next crisis or need affects a woman you know.

You can do no harm by voting Yes. That vote does not stop you disagreeing with abortion, you can disagree and vote Yes. That way your conscience will be clear.

CPTM · 23-05-2018 07:25PM

I would be interested in seeing a boards poll on what people think will be the outcome of the referendum. Not what they believe should be the outcome, but what they think will actually happen.

Reason is because most of the people in my life would be yes voters, but I was shocked to hear from some of them today that they believe a no vote will win over by a tiny margin, because of rural Ireland. When I asked around, it seemed like this was the general consensus. Could we have a poll or have I missed one somewhere? I didn't want to start one myself without checking with an existing thread.

antiskeptic · 23-05-2018 07:26PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Plus I am delighted that my 18 year old self who was so abused by Pro-lifers back in '83 grew up to see the Ireland I wanted back then is happening now.

Revenge is a dish best served cold

Conservatory · 23-05-2018 07:26PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

That will be a vote for hypocrisy and a vote to deny a choice to those who feel otherwise than you. You will also being allowing yourself to be manipulated by a very narrow minded and small group of fanatics.

Try that in your conscience when the next crisis or need affects a woman you know.

You can do no harm by voting Yes. That vote does not stop you disagreeing with abortion, you can disagree and vote Yes. That way your conscience will be clear.

But my choice has nothing to do with fanatics. They just seem to be voting the same as me on this issue. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
There is fanatics on both sides.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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