The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Dressing gown wrote: »

I just had a chat with a close friend that I would have expected to be a strong yes. I asked them their concerns and addressed each and every one of them. But, even after that they said to me, look, I knew too many people in college that took the easy option and I just don’t agree with that. I explained it doesn’t really get much easier now with €90 and a few clicks on the phone, it’s just dangerous for it to be going on with no medical supervision. When that point, and every other raised was also in fairness conceded, the response was this; look at the end of the day I am the one that has to meet my maker. So there you have it. The fear of God. Sadly I think this is going to be a no vote and I think it will carry on a greater margin than we think.

I do think it will come in eventually but we will need a few more maternal deaths first before consciences move in favour of the mothers.

Here’s your brother. This referendum is nothing like the SSM issue at all, the public persona is not indicative of what a person supports in this vote. I’ve got religious friends who are hard Yes’s, lifelong prolife friends who are hard Yes’s. Rural farmer friends who are hard yes’s. And on the flip side: scientist & medical doctor friends who are hard no’s. IT friends who are hard no. Artist friends who are hard no.

It’s such a tough one to call that we need to ensure everyone we know gets out to vote.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Ah yes deflection and not debate me on a single point. Typical Yes :rolleyes: Been the story of this whole thread. Poo poo the No side without debating them on a single point or issue.

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Take it you haven't actually read any of the thread then.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Ah yes deflection and not debate me on a single point. Typical Yes :rolleyes: Been the story of this whole thread. Poo poo the No side without debating them on a single point or issue.

Do the Yes voters even realize the person who's case brought abortion into law mainstream in America was a anti abortion campaigner her whole life?. Interesting the people involved in abortion law and abortion doctors turn against it so often.


https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/02/18/norma-mccorvey-jane-roe-larry-king-live-intv.cnn

Ah, 4:30pm Irish time. Must be right about now that the US-based Ionabots rock into work of a morning, eh?

Oh hi stonedpilot! Good timing!

I’ll debate you. Check my post history though, I’ve listed “the Fictitious Five” in one of my recent posts. A list of five reasons that No campaigners fall back on constantly. Please try to avoid them. Or confirm them, I don’t mind.

Oh and can you drop the emotive nonsense about a 1967 court case in a foreign country. If you want to debate, please stick to the vote I’ll be partaking in this Friday.

Foreign countries and their woes are none of my business (although I understand you’d be unemployed if you had a similar ethos to me!).

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Ok, I’m watching the prime time debate and I think I fancy Simon Harris now and I’m not sure where to go from here.

Go outside. Get some fresh air.

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OK here's a new point.

What about women who regret the abortion and think it was a terrible decision?.

They might perhaps be on the fence as such with the pregnancy decision, are they are heavily pressurized by abortion clinics to terminate.

They are numerous websites of women who regret the decision like this Irish one http://womenhurt.ie/
and numerous websites exposing the pressure abortion clinics (for profit business in essence) put on women to terminate the pregnancy.

https://savethestorks.com/2017/11/went-abortion-clinic-herded-like-animals-women-exposing-truth-abortion/?nabe=5788403127025664:0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

How about abortion clinics texting and ringing women who perhaps might have changed their mind and decided to keep the baby?. It happens (by the largest abortion clinic provider in the Uk no less.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/8771141/Women-will-be-texted-reminders-about-their-abortion.html

Personally I think it is disgraceful disgusting behavior that abortion clinics will pressurize women to abort but their are numerous stories from all over the World on this happening.

So let's discuss.

BarleySweets wrote: »

Ah, 4:30pm Irish time. Must be right about now that the US-based Ionabots rock into work of a morning, eh?

Oh hi stonedpilot! Good timing!

pretty sure on post #1 is a rule about not engaging in ad hominems with users based on time zone or location.

Secondly what do you hope to glean when a user is posting? I was up until 6 this morning, doin my life and stuff and also posting here, so..

Also yes I’m quite tired today thanks for asking

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Ah yes deflection and not debate me on a single point. Typical Yes :rolleyes: Been the story of this whole thread. Poo poo the No side without debating them on a single point or issue.

Part of the problem is some posters have decided their input to "discussion" is linking articles that are more suitable for the conspiracy theories forum and in fact not debate... throughout the US laws vary state by state btw.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

OK here's a new point.

What about women who regret the abortion and think it was a terrible decision?.

They might perhaps be on the fence as such with the pregnancy decision, are they are heavily pressurized by abortion clinics to terminate.

They are numerous websites of women who regret the decision like this Irish one http://womenhurt.ie/
and numerous websites exposing the pressure abortion clinics (for profit business in essence) put on women to terminate the pregnancy.

https://savethestorks.com/2017/11/went-abortion-clinic-herded-like-animals-women-exposing-truth-abortion/?nabe=5788403127025664:0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

How about abortion clinics texting and ringing women who perhaps might have changed their mind and decided to keep the baby?. It happens (by the largest abortion clinic provider in the Uk no less.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/8771141/Women-will-be-texted-reminders-about-their-abortion.html

Personally I think it is disgraceful disgusting behavior that abortion clinics will pressurize women to abort but their are numerous stories from all over the World on this happening.

So let's discuss.

Maybe you should also watch this item on Crisis Pregnency Centres, you know just for some balance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NNpkv3Us1I

Stonedpilot wrote: »

OK here's a new point.

What about women who regret the abortion and think it was a terrible decision?.

They might perhaps be on the fence as such with the pregnancy decision, are they are heavily pressurized by abortion clinics to terminate.

They are numerous websites of women who regret the decision like this Irish one http://womenhurt.ie/
and numerous websites exposing the pressure abortion clinics (for profit business in essence) put on women to terminate the pregnancy.

https://savethestorks.com/2017/11/went-abortion-clinic-herded-like-animals-women-exposing-truth-abortion/?nabe=5788403127025664:0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

How about abortion clinics texting and ringing women who perhaps might have changed their mind and decided to keep the baby?. It happens (by the largest abortion clinic provider in the Uk no less.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/8771141/Women-will-be-texted-reminders-about-their-abortion.html

Personally I think it is disgraceful disgusting behavior that abortion clinics will pressurize women to abort but their are numerous stories from all over the World on this happening.

So let's discuss.

And seeing as most abortions in Ireland will be medical via GP why do you think clinics are going to set up for non existent customers?

Scaremongering maybe?

I Live and work in darkest Roscommon and, frankly, I am worried about a win for the Yes side tomorrow. On every post and pillar there are NO posters and a real lack of Yes ones. I have only been canvassed once and this was by a bunch of religious types. Not one Yes Canvasser. I think that if the Yes side lose, it will be entirely their own fault. I believe that they have taken their foot off the pedal in rural areas and this is a mistake. Most in rural Ireland who is over 55 is going to vote No. Look at their demographic. Older, religious, still bending a knee or lifting a cap to the local Priest/Bank Manager/Teacher. God fearing simple folk who are afraid of change.
The Yes said had been complacent about canvassing the Yes side in rural parts and this will be their downfall. You see, these folks vote. I know of three women in their 80's, originally from Dublin and living in Roscommon who are hopping on a train first thing on Friday to go up to vote No.
If Yes voters are complacent about voting, then it will not pass. If Yes want this to pass, the message is, whether you need to crawl on your hands and knees, be sure to vote.
The Yes side have forgotten about the Rural demographic. Big mistake. They are not for changing.