Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 21-05-2018 09:57PM

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

This sad story reinforces my belief that everyone should carry some sort of self defence item.

In Ireland most self defence items will be seen as offensive items by Garda. It wouldn't work anyway, if everyone carried a knife for example, you would just end up with a lot more innocent people being stabbed

21-05-2018 09:57PM

Is it wrong of me to think that the murderers children are better off that their father was killed so quickly?

I mean, if he had been arrested and tried. That would all be done in public. Then it is possible in years to come he would apply for parole and the whole thing would be talked about again.

This way, those innocent children get to forget as quickly as possible and hopefully are not reminded of what he has done over and over.

Brae100 · 21-05-2018 09:57PM

thebull85 wrote: »

I honestly dont think the detective that shot this scumbag will lose many nights sleep over it. Hopefully he is treated fairly by his empolyers.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. While trained with a firearm here means he is likely to be very psychologically sound, taking someone's life is a terrible thing for a normal person to deal with. Returning war veterans often report that the really difficult thing to be asked to do was not to sacrifice their lives, but to kill.

Terrible, terrible event. Thoughts to all the families effected.

A Pint of Goo · 21-05-2018 09:58PM

thebull85 wrote: »

Most the detectives ive met have been hardy b*stards, dubs and culchies young and old. Id imagine they would be fairly solid mentally also. Hope he's doing alright.

Most guards would not be the type to get upset by sheltered Twitter moaners.

21-05-2018 09:58PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Are her parents in the Philippines? It would be extremely difficult for them to fly to Ireland given the expense. A fund like that would be a big help.

Think posters here said Jastine moved here with them when she was 21.

Uncharted · 21-05-2018 09:58PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Me too . If anyone hears of one can they let us know . It would be a way of showing support to her family and community

+1 to this.
The parents of Jastine must be utterly devastated. They will need every type of support possible. I'll gladly chip in.

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 09:59PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Very good idea. Are her parents in the Philippines? It would be extremely difficult for them to fly to Ireland given the expense. A fund like that would be a big help.

Her parents live in Enniskerry . But I am sure they would appreciate the support .

Mongfinder General · 21-05-2018 09:59PM

Omackeral wrote: »

He shouldn't feel guilty at all, his conscience should be clear. Having said that, I've never killed anyone myself so amn't really in a position to comment really. There's probably loads of issues that come with that territory such as the kids that are left behind and things of that nature. Must take a certain type to have the balls for that job.

He should be given a medal. summary justice like that isn’t an option for the judiciary.

21-05-2018 09:59PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Very good idea. Are her parents in the Philippines? It would be extremely difficult for them to fly to Ireland given the expense. A fund like that would be a big help.

Her parents live here. Whether they stay here or not after this, I wouldn’t know.

Strazdas · 21-05-2018 09:59PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Think posters here said Jastine moved here with them when she was 21.

Oh, they're here? Nonetheless, a fund set up for the family would be a great idea.

Mam of 4 · 21-05-2018 09:59PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Thoughts are first and foremost with Jastine’s family. Someone mentioned setting up a go fund me page. If this family needs some help financially, I would happily support a page like that

I think it was Bear1 who came up with the idea of a go fund me page ?
If he , or anyone ,sets one up ,.I'd happily support too .

A Pint of Goo · 21-05-2018 10:00PM

Camilo Limited Floor wrote: »

In Ireland most self defence items will be seen as offensive items by Garda. It wouldn't work anyway, if everyone carried a knife for example, you would just end up with a lot more innocent people being stabbed

Legal items I mean. A heavy duty torch could be very effective for example.

VonZan · 21-05-2018 10:00PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Very good idea. Are her parents in the Philippines? It would be extremely difficult for them to fly to Ireland given the expense. A fund like that would be a big help.

Her parents live in the area unfortunately. Hopefully the community rallies around them. What a shocking incident. I can't help feeling a little embarrassed at this time that their family came to Ireland for a better future and scumbag like this takes a life for absolutely nothing.

It's a pity he was killed. Shame on him. I hope he is still suffering somehow because of his actions. A coward of a man.

JP Liz V1 · 21-05-2018 10:00PM

theballz wrote: »

I have a source in the Garda that listed the following (that RThas since confirmed so I am happy to share.)

When the Garda approached the car the man had self harmed, he had slit his wrists and legs. They went to the car and removed the knife from before he slit his own throat. He then moved to pick up something in the car (which they thought was a gun) and they shot him.

He was shot in upper arm shoulder area which exited through to his head. They did not intend to kill. The man had left a letter with details of the murder and intended to take his own life.

My source is a member of the Gardai and told me this earlier today but I didn’t want to share. It sounds like RTare doing the same now

Has the body found been named as Jastine Valdez if so RIP, my thoughts are with her family and friends, god help them

Time · 21-05-2018 10:02PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Has the body found been named as Jastine Valdez if so RIP, my thoughts are with her family and friends, god help them

They wont be able to formally identify the body until tomorrow afternoon most likely. They have yet to remove the body from the scene.

21-05-2018 10:03PM

Body has now been removed

21-05-2018 10:03PM

VonZan wrote: »

I can't help feeling a little embarrassed at this time that their family came to Ireland for a better future and scumbag like this takes a life for absolutely nothing.

This is such a horrible thought but Mr and Ms Valdez were most likely among those shocked and horrified at the death of poor Ana Kriegel and were thanking their lucky stars nothing happened to their only girl only for all this to fall their way. F*cking devastating.

NickD · 21-05-2018 10:05PM

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

Legal items I mean. A heavy duty torch could be very effective for example.

Deep heat spray is totally legal.

thebull85 · 21-05-2018 10:06PM

NickD wrote: »

Deep heat spray is totally legal.

is it any good though?

Sundew · 21-05-2018 10:06PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Think posters here said Jastine moved here with them when she was 21.

Omaackeral Think her parents were actually living here without her until she joined them. Makes it more poignant that they had been seperated for some time before she joined them, but its quite common for people from The Phillipines working here. I know somebody in the medical field here without his family and cash goes every month to support their education....just like the Irish emigrants in the 50’s/ 60’s.

Time · 21-05-2018 10:06PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Body has now been removed

Glad they managed to get that done this evening. It salvages some dignity from the situation

SirChenjin · 21-05-2018 10:07PM

Let us all think for a minute about what the guards were faced with, on approaching the vile creature. It's not what many of us face in a day's work. I certainly don't. I commend their courage and their actions in an absolutely appalling situation.

May that little lass rest in peace. I don't even know where her parents can begin to get strength to cope with what has happened.

A Pint of Goo · 21-05-2018 10:07PM

thebull85 wrote: »

is it any good though?

Anything you can spray into your attackers eyes might give you a chance to escape.

Wheety · 21-05-2018 10:07PM

I'm always very wary of these fund raising pages popping up after something like this happens. Don't get me wrong, it can be a huge help to the family and can help them cover some unexpected costs but I'm sure there are some unscrupulous people who would set up a fake page for personal gain. How do you know if it's legit?

NickD · 21-05-2018 10:08PM

thebull85 wrote: »

is it any good though?

I haven't had to use it but a guard friend told me it was a good alternative to pepper spray. I'm a small woman, force isn't my strong point so was a bit nervous, this was his recommendation.

seamus · 21-05-2018 10:08PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Has the body found been named as Jastine Valdez if so RIP, my thoughts are with her family and friends, god help them

"Gardaí believe the body is that of Ms Valdez, although no formal identification has taken place."

It's all code-speak, but basically yes.

21-05-2018 10:09PM

Perhaps it should be setup by someone in the Enniskery community? A name and a face.

I suppose we don’t know what her parents intend to do yet.

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 10:09PM

Time wrote: »

Glad they managed to get that done this evening. It salvages some dignity from the situation

Altough the parents and friends and family are suffering so much pain one little consolation is they have Jastines body and can grieve .

RacoonQueen · 21-05-2018 10:10PM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

He should be given a medal. summary justice like that isn’t an option for the judiciary.

And if it comes to light he was involved in anything else, his wife will likely realise her children's lives are better without him in it (which she will probably realise even if this was his only abduction/murder). Dunno how old they are, kids in his facebook profile look older, old enough to understand what is going on, but comments on thread suggest they're much younger. Hopefully they are, are too young to remember him and will be sheltered from this whole awful incident.

A Pint of Goo · 21-05-2018 10:13PM

VonZan wrote: »

It's a pity he was killed. Shame on him. I hope he is still suffering somehow because of his actions. A coward of a man.

I get where you're coming from but it's better he was killed as he could have been released after 14ish years.

That said, I hope his death was not quick and that he suffered.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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