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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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  • #1202
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,201 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    ProudIRISHman wrote: »
    He seems like a right creep and socially awkward.

    Even the fake laughing acting like he was in on the joke when it was clear no one was even tlaking to him and the two girls beside him were ignoring him was odd.

    I reckon the guy was recording him because he is such an embarassing creep on nights out.

    I feel so bad for that girl. Imagine that creep dragging you up at night to a disused golf course.

    He makes a fist gesture briefly also. Looks like the women want nothing to do with him.


  • #1203
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ProudIRISHman wrote: »
    This isnt America. You don't instantly think someone has a gun.

    and macho?!?! following a car safely in your own car is being macho now?!?! jesus christ...

    The Gardai had asked the public not to approach him so it was very possible he was armed . And none of us , including you , have any idea how we would deal with it . No not even brave you


  • #1204
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    ProudIRISHman wrote: »
    He seems like a right creep and socially awkward.

    Even the fake laughing acting like he was in on the joke when it was clear no one was even tlaking to him and the two girls beside him were ignoring him was odd.

    I reckon the guy was recording him because he is such an embarassing creep on nights out.

    I feel so bad for that girl. Imagine that creep dragging you up at night to a disused golf course.

    He makes a fist gesture briefly also. Looks like the women want nothing to do with him.
    Indeed a grotesque looking creature.


  • #1205
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    And whats with the videos of the guy? They are so random and irrelevant and unremarkable


  • #1206
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    JayRoc wrote: »
    It's not remotely strange. People record anything at the drop of a hat nowadays.

    If it wasn't for what is now known about the guy, nothing in those videos would merit a second glance.

    It's just a video from the Nissan garage promoting a deal and he happened to be collecting his 171 car, so they included him in their promotion.


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  • #1207
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    RIP to the victim and condolences to her family.

    It's a bit depressing that the 'experts' over on FB are using this to get a dig in at the Gardai' I'm sure they didn't take the decision to shoot the suspect lightly and were doing their best to try and find the victim.


  • #1208
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    ProudIRISHman wrote: »
    This isnt America. You don't instantly think someone has a gun.

    and macho?!?! following a car safely in your own car is being macho now?!?! jesus christ...

    I think we all know now that if you had been the witness, maybe there could have been a better outcome.

    And for the record, if I saw someone in distress, I would question if there was a gun or weapon that could be used against me if I was discovered following them while I was giving updates to the gardai


  • #1209
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    It's just a video from the Nissan garage promoting a deal and he happened to be collecting his 171 car, so they included him in their promotion.

    The poster was referring to the other video, in the bar. I would make a guess he was being recorded by a mate as he was drunkenly making a fool of himself coming onto the women. That is what I got from the video anyway


  • #1210
    The Crowman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 991 ✭✭✭The Crowman


    cml387 wrote: »
    I can't help thinking of Deirdre Jacob. She disappeared in broad daylight and was never seen again. Probably similarly bundled into a car and murdered.

    That case crossed my mind too. He would have been 20 at the time.


  • #1211
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    No Garda report that I came across said

    "She was banging on the rear window screaming" which clearly was highlighted.


    You dont need a Garda report. Do you honestly think they would put that in a bloody press release.

    It was reported as a source.

    "A source also revealed other witnesses observed the young woman in trouble at a number of locations"

    They said: “This is deeply worrying and was a horrific experience for these witnesses.

    “Bray gardai received a call a woman and her two children were driving near Enniskerry – they heard the screams of an Asian woman as she was being bundled into a car.

    “Gardai attended the scene and details were sketchy at the time then a short time later another call came in from a man driving on the N11 or M50. He gave horrific details of seeing an Asian woman in the back of a black jeep banging on the windows screaming for help. The missing persons call came in after that.

    “It would be an understatement to say gardai are concerned for her safety.”

    And like the poster who you questioned, I also came by it (I wish I hadnt) in following the story.


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  • #1212
    ProudIRISHman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭ProudIRISHman


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    He makes a fist gesture briefly also. Looks like the women want nothing to do with him.

    I think thats called a micro-aggression? When someone betrays the emotion they are trying to hide in a very brief expression. He was obviously angry at women who rejected his advances.

    You can tell even in that short clip that he is disastrous with women. Absolutely disastrous. And he took it out on that young girl. He was going to show her. If he was angry at women then I don't want to think about how he killed her.


  • #1213
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    So strange hearing these stories all over the news about Ana and Jastine. You just never hear of such brutal murders of innocent people happening here, of young girls. Its all just very shocking.


  • #1214
    ProudIRISHman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭ProudIRISHman


    wakka12 wrote: »
    And whats with the videos of the guy? They are so random and irrelevant and unremarkable

    The one in the club tells a lot about him to be honest. In that short clup you can see he is socially awkward, is creepy around women and is not successful with women. Pretty much the standard characteristics to these sort of people who can on to commit these sort of crimes.


  • #1215
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,059 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    It's just a video from the Nissan garage promoting a deal and he happened to be collecting his 171 car, so they included him in their promotion.

    I can safely say you could swap him with me in that video and I'd look just as rapey... It's only with hindsight we can say he looks creepy


  • #1216
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Twitter full of this garbage.

    https://twitter.com/sineadgleeson/status/998594150722359297?s=21

    https://twitter.com/shanedoyle19/status/998610020584566784?s=21


  • #1217
    ProudIRISHman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭ProudIRISHman


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    I think we all know now that if you had been the witness, maybe there could have been a better outcome.

    And for the record, if I saw someone in distress, I would question if there was a gun or weapon that could be used against me if I was discovered following them while I was giving updates to the gardai

    I dont know anyone who would think in Ireland that a member of public might have a gun on them! and what is he going to do with a knife? Your in your car, he pulls over you go around him, its the feckin n11!

    This thread is depressing. You are in minimal danger following the car and this woman is in serious danger. If you continue following the guards will be there within minutes but the tiny danger that somehow he could pull over, prevent your car from going around him on the N11 and then gain access to your car means you wont follow a girl that is in serious danger??!


  • #1218
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    I can safely say you could swap him with me in that video and I'd look just as rapey... It's only with hindsight we can say he looks creepy

    Exactly. Many men are socially awkward with women, but they won't ever kidnap and murder one.


  • #1219
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Very dark coulple of weeks with regards violence against women.


  • #1220
    JayRoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    ProudIRISHman wrote: »
    I think thats called a micro-aggression? When someone betrays the emotion they are trying to hide in a very brief expression. He was obviously angry at women who rejected his advances.

    You can tell even in that short clip that he is disastrous with women. Absolutely disastrous. And he took it out on that young girl. He was going to show her. If he was angry at women then I don't want to think about how he killed her.

    There's nothing in any of these videos that even hint at him being a monster who would go on to do what he did.

    People love to apply hindsight to these things and say "I always knew he was a wrong 'un", but in most cases no one had a clue.

    The guy was in my class at school, and I ran into him several times over the years when he was working on sites, and the truth is he just seemed like a normal bloke.

    Sometimes awful things don't make any sense.


  • #1221
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    Can someone post or link that video of him in the pub?


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  • #1222
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,530 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    JayRoc wrote: »
    There's nothing in any of these videos that even hint at him being a monster who would go on to do what he did.

    People love to apply hindsight to these things and say "I always knew he was a wrong 'un", but on most cases no one had a clue.

    The guy was in my class at school, and I ran into him several times over the years when he was working on sites, and the truth is he just seemed like a normal bloke.

    Sometimes awful things don't make any sense.

    That's true. But I thought the fist he makes at your one when she stands up and looks away was very odd.


  • #1223
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    ProudIRISHman wrote: »
    I dont know anyone who would think in Ireland that a member of public might have a gun on them! and what is he going to do with a knife? Your in your car, he pulls over you go around him, its the feckin n11!

    This thread is depressing. You are in minimal danger following the car and this woman is in serious danger. If you continue following the guards will be there within minutes but the tiny danger that somehow he could pull over, prevent your car from going around him on the N11 and then gain access to your car means you wont follow a girl that is in serious danger??!

    I told you that I would be fearful of repercussions, and am pretty sure plenty of others would be as well. It's probably why people didn't follow.

    This is a very unusual thing to witness. I don't understand why you can't comprehend not everyone would instantly call gardai and stay on the car's trail.

    Was the witness even going in the same direction, or would they have had to swing around and speed up?

    Do you have all facts or just snippets from the papers?


  • #1224
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • #1225
    Kuva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Kuva


    thebull85 wrote: »
    Can someone post or link that video of him in the pub?

    Few pages back, not worth looking at. Nothing in it.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/watch-footage-man-shot-dead-12573705


  • #1226
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,059 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Thestones wrote: »
    This case makes me think of that woman Esra Uyrun who is still missing to this day, her car found in Bray 6/7 years ago, makes you wonder could this guy could be responsible?.. what a senseless act, I feel so bad for Jastines family.

    That's what I've been thinking all day... Also there were lots of botched attacks around kiliney last year


  • #1227
    Danny Donut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Danny Donut


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    Sadly he won't with so many on his back, many calling for his p45, many saying that it was disproportionate action as the man "only" had a knife others even going so far as to say and some on twitter still maintaining that his actions might have led to her being found alive.

    Imagine having those voices echoing behind you, hopefully he is strong enough to cope with it all.

    And thankfully her body was at the very least, found, even though it is far too early to consider this as anyway anyway positive.


    Yep. I tend to avoid these threads - they upset me :o


    I very nearly posted in the height of the the speculation furore along the lines "ffs lads there's two families enduring a total shoitestorm - if any of them were to stumble across this.


    But I was wrong there's three families going through it now. Hats off to the Gardai - good job and you have to take far too much shoite from people.


  • #1228
    Uncharted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    Just watched the video of him bopping around creepily among a table of women.
    Wtf?

    He's almost a caricature of an oddball.
    Slimy looking fcuker....


  • #1229
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    How many people have the guards shot over the last 5 years...Less than 5 less than 10...I'd trust the guards actions in regards to actual police work


  • #1230
    orangerhyme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Is there any other cases in the Wicklow, South Dublin area that may be linked to this guy?
    Incidents such as attempted abductions, rapes, sexual assaults etc

    I know theres unsolved cases in the 90's but is there any more recent ones?


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  • #1231
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    The Crowman wrote: »
    That case crossed my mind too. He would have been 20 at the time.

    There is somebody else in the frame for Deirdre Jacob's disappearance.


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