Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Alun · 21-05-2018 05:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The small section of road is quite dark with trees, quite narrow, and any time I driven by on my way to Powerscourt my eyes are focused on looking for traffic coming round corners near Enniskerry village. I could imagine myself missing the moment where that happened.

You do get quite a few tourists walking up the hill out of Enniskerry up to Powerscourt or vice versa plus there's a school and a church very near by, so it's not completely deserted. The road does get very narrow further on past the Powerscourt entrance though.

21-05-2018 05:09PM

Missix wrote: »

This is so,so sad for both families.The parents who have lost their child forever,and the murderers family who will be tainted for generations for having a scumbag like that in their family.

It certainly sounded like a very impulsive crime,broad daylight and spotted by at least 2 parties so no attempt to be ..well,cautious for the want of a better word.Makes me wonder 2 things...A)was he under the influence of something or B)Did he think he was grabbing a child (she was tiny) and then panic when he realised she was an adult?

More information will come out in the coming days,no doubt.But God love the innocents dragged into this nightmare

could be the case! The guards will go through his online history with a fine tooth comb and this could well turn out to be a possibility or probability.

seamus · 21-05-2018 05:10PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Reported as being about 50 metres in from the road, so dare say they could get to very quickly if they wanted. Delays likely due to need to gather evidence.

Yep. The entire scene needs to be examined. If they go in and collect her they could end up walking on and destroying evidence. Although he's dead, it's still a crime scene which requires investigation to determine what happened, ensure that it was him and to rule out the involvement of anyone else.

sillysocks · 21-05-2018 05:11PM

They mentioned on the news she worked in a restaurant in Bray where he lived. I’d wonder whether there was any interaction there that annoyed him and he went to find her. Horrendous for her poor parents, and also for his wife and kids.

Beechwoodspark · 21-05-2018 05:12PM

sillysocks wrote: »

They mentioned on the news she worked in a restaurant in Bray where he lived. I’d wonder whether there was any interaction there that annoyed him and he went to find her. Horrendous for her poor parents, and also for his wife and kids.

God knows. It’s scary if it was truly random but whether it was or not doesn’t really matter for the poor girl at this stage. Horrendous.

BarryD2 · 21-05-2018 05:12PM

Alun wrote: »

You do get quite a few tourists walking up the hill out of Enniskerry up to Powerscourt or vice versa plus there's a school and a church very near by, so it's not completely deserted. The road does get very narrow further on past the Powerscourt entrance though.

Indeed, it's a busy enough road. Regular traffic on it. You'd think it'd be quite safe to walk on from an abduction point of view, notwithstanding the danger from passing cars.

5star02707 · 21-05-2018 05:17PM

Video of the man, looks very disturbed

https://twitter.com/mulvey1980/status/998596977905586176?s=07

Hurrache · 21-05-2018 05:20PM

5star02707 wrote: »

Video of the man, looks very disturbed

Ah c'mon. I'm sure he was, but that video is just an awkward video of a guy who didn't really feel that comfortable taking part in a sales pitch, like most of us.

Bob Harris · 21-05-2018 05:22PM

5star02707 wrote: »

Video of the man, looks very disturbed

https://twitter.com/mulvey1980/status/998596977905586176?s=07

I don't think you'd have said that if it wasn't for knowing what he did.

recyclops · 21-05-2018 05:23PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Ah c'mon. I'm sure he was, but that video is just an awkward video of a guy who didn't really feel that comfortable taking part in a sales pitch, like most of us.

yeah my phone is hopping with this and another video of him out, i am watching neither as both will be taken out of context completely

all that video is now is unlucky advertising for windsor herbert

spakman · 21-05-2018 05:23PM

5star02707 wrote: »

Video of the man, looks very disturbed

https://twitter.com/mulvey1980/status/998596977905586176?s=07

That tells you nothing. It's a guy looking a bit awkward/tense which I probably would be too if a car salesman started recording me asking about a car if I knew fck all about motors.

Trasna1 · 21-05-2018 05:23PM

seamus wrote: »

At the risk of being overly speculative, it's more likely that they had a previous connection and she tried to walk away from it.

Women are at the highest risk of being murdered shortly before or after breaking up with an abusive partner.

And his wife gave birth to a child less than a year ago, so their relationship may have been under strain that led him to engage with another woman.

Risk of being overly speculative?! Bit of an understatement there. There has been nothing to suggest they even knew each other.

beertons · 21-05-2018 05:24PM

Did ya see the pic with the text messages? I just got 2 vids, a photo and a screenshot of messages. Sick.

Missix · 21-05-2018 05:25PM

Irish Times are reporting that he was up before the courts next month on serious drink driving charges,and had prior convictions for cannabis and being abusive in a public place.He was on bail for the drink driving charges

JMNolan · 21-05-2018 05:25PM

5star02707 wrote: »

Video of the man, looks very disturbed

https://twitter.com/mulvey1980/status/998596977905586176?s=07

He seems grand to me to be honest, everyone is a little awkward in those sort of videos.

seamus · 21-05-2018 05:27PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

Risk of being overly speculative?! Bit of an understatement there. There has been nothing to suggest they even knew each other.

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

I'm not saying it's definite, but far more likely that they did know eachother.

Edit:
I stand corrected on the "no previous" bit, but certainly nothing major there. He had never been done for assault or other serious crimes.

billybonkers · 21-05-2018 05:27PM

seamus wrote: »

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

He had previous and was out on bail

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-find-woman-s-body-during-search-for-missing-student-jastine-valdez-1.3502805

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 05:28PM

Missix wrote: »

Irish Times are reporting that he was up before the courts next month on serious drink driving charges,and had prior convictions for cannabis and being abusive in a public place.He was on bail for the drink driving charges

Stopped reading after that after their handling of reporting yesterday

Missix · 21-05-2018 05:29PM

The Gardai don't seem to think they knew each other,that it was an opportunistic 'grab',and that it was sexually motivated.

His computer history will show where his preferences lay anyway most likely.

lawred2 · 21-05-2018 05:31PM

5star02707 wrote: »

Video of the man, looks very disturbed

https://twitter.com/mulvey1980/status/998596977905586176?s=07

I'd look awkward having to do that too

Amalgam · 21-05-2018 05:31PM

Change markmulvey.pdf to markmulvey.mp4

LETHAL LADY · 21-05-2018 05:32PM

seamus wrote: »

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

I'm not saying it's definite, but far more likely that they did know eachother.

I'm living in a small town over 30 years and there's plenty I've never even uttered a word to. Possible he was watching her without her even knowing him. Unless you know more than you're saying?

strandroad · 21-05-2018 05:33PM

Missix wrote: »

The Gardai don't seem to think they knew each other,that it was an opportunistic 'grab',and that it was sexually motivated.

His computer history will show where his preferences lay anyway most likely.

I wonder if he got triggered by Ana Kriegel reports... then saw a petite girl on her own.

eviltwin · 21-05-2018 05:33PM

seamus wrote: »

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

I'm not saying it's definite, but far more likely that they did know eachother.

Edit:
I stand corrected on the "no previous" bit, but certainly nothing major there. He had never been done for assault or other serious crimes.

You are possibly right but their connection could be an innocent one. People will try find a reason why he targeted her. She's lost her life and possibly suffered sexual violence, I think speculation that she was involved romantically with him is a bit of an insult to the victim and her family.

The Nal · 21-05-2018 05:37PM

seamus wrote: »

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

I'm not saying it's definite, but far more likely that they did know eachother.

Edit:
I stand corrected on the "no previous" bit, but certainly nothing major there. He had never been done for assault or other serious crimes.

Mountjoy is full of murderers who weren't murderers until they murdered someone.

Snake Plisken · 21-05-2018 05:38PM

Missix wrote: »

The Gardai don't seem to think they knew each other,that it was an opportunistic 'grab',and that it was sexually motivated.

His computer history will show where his preferences lay anyway most likely.

Yes his viewing history could tell us a lot the same with the scum that killed poor Ana in Lucan at this time last week.

wdmfapq4zs83hv · 21-05-2018 05:39PM

beertons wrote: »

Did ya see the pic with the text messages? I just got 2 vids, a photo and a screenshot of messages. Sick.

What text messages?

ThePott · 21-05-2018 05:39PM

seamus wrote: »

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

I'm not saying it's definite, but far more likely that they did know eachother.

I think the issue is you're suggesting they had some sort of romantic or sexual relationship and there is nothing to suggest this at all. It's disrespectful (at the very least) to suggest this about a girl who's just lost her life without having any evidence to back it up.

As you corrected yourself that he has no convictions, as we now know that is untrue. As we learn more about this guy we'll probably have some better insight into his motives.

Jumping to the conclusion of an affair is unfair, more information will come out about this guy in the coming days maybe we should hold off on suggesting something like that until there's more information to go on.

They could possibly have some connection we're not aware of but talking about some sort of relationship in that sense without anything to suggest it just doesn't seem right.

kravmaga · 21-05-2018 05:40PM

seamus wrote: »

Apart from the fact that they lived and worked in relatively close proximity, that she was abducted a couple of minutes from her home and that a guy with absolutely no previous convictions or Garda issues abducted her in broad daylight?

The odds here are not in favour of "random abduction by a man who had lost his mind".

I'm not saying it's definite, but far more likely that they did know eachother.

Edit:
I stand corrected on the "no previous" bit, but certainly nothing major there. He had never been done for assault or other serious crimes.

How do you know that he has no previous convictions and was not known to the Gardai???

eric hoone · 21-05-2018 05:48PM

His poor family too. Surely better off he's dead, maybe he had the knife to do himself in, the police helped him out there in the end

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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