Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Purple Mountain · 21-05-2018 04:45PM

I was thinking earlier that it was a pity he was dead as he'll take a lot of answers to his grave..but..then I remembered that Larry Murphy or Graeme Dwyer never gave up their secrets and in Dwyer case continued to deny his guilt so who knows if we'll ever know what kind of a double life this latest sick b*stard lived.
I hope the media leave his family alone though. They have my prayers as well as Jastinas family.

21-05-2018 04:45PM

More Music wrote: »

What did she tweet? Looks like it was removed.

maninasia wrote: »

Obviously should have gone to scene of crime that evening and do a check on the Nissan qashqais owners in the area overnight. Confirmed abduction and identified the abductee by 11pm
Seems like delays could have been crucial here.
Should not have waited for daybreak.

Also know it can be easy to question in hindsight, but still some questions there.

Well known that you've got about 12 hours in most of these cases.

Pretty much was maninasia said but with less words cos, it’s twitter. Managed to get in a hashtag about justice and some other one. She mentioned the12 hour thing to and she’d be alive if Gardai had got there sooner.

Dunno how she came to that conclusion but obviously realised she was a numpty and deleted her tweet

marklazarcovic · 21-05-2018 04:45PM

with the ridiculous lenient sentences handed down in this country for the most serious of crimes , i for one am glad this cnut was shot to death. that garda is a fckin hero. if she were my daughter its what i would want for her killer. and id have zero remorse either.

rip jastine valdez.

BarryD2 · 21-05-2018 04:46PM

maninasia wrote: »

Abduction was witnessed and reported immediately.

On going to the site the next morning they confirmed identity from the bag there. Would have been better to check immediately at site.

Just a protocol.

You obviously haven't a clue as to the sequence of events and/or the basic geography of the area.

The Gardai appear to have acted entirely appropriately in this case.

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 04:46PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Why was it necessary to shoot a man - armed with, as it transpired, a knife - multiple times resulting in his death? Are police marksmen not trained to shoot in order to disable rather than kill? It may well be revealed that this clearly very disturbed individual raped and murdered the woman he abducted but the gardai clearly would not have known if this were the case at the time.

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

chicorytip wrote: »

Indeed. Who knows? The man may well have been suffering from severe mental illness (psychosis) so it would be unwise to pass judgement given that nothing is yet known about his background or character.

Are you, of all people, SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY playing the virtue signalling "don't pass judgment before facts" card

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

21-05-2018 04:47PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Indeed. Who knows? The man may well have been suffering from severe mental illness (psychosis) so it would be unwise to pass judgement given that nothing is yet known about his background or character.

Yes there are cases where psychosis can have these results, and I will take back my sentiments if this proves so, and that the man hadn’t chosen to taken substance that worsened mental status, and that he hadnt refused medical treatment. And that some stupid psychiatrist hadn’t withdrawn anti-psychotic medication as in the horrendous case as happened some years ago in Castkeknock where an Irish psychiatrist had withdrawn a medication that an Italian man had been prescribed and instructed to stay on for life in Italy.

Sam Quentin · 21-05-2018 04:47PM

touts wrote: »

RIP. Very sad for her family and also for the family of the murderer.

I hope the guard who took him down isn't scapegoated out of the service. The Irish Council for Civil Liberties and other Criminals Rights organisations will doubtless make his life miserable.

Sooner or later all that piece of dirt deserved was a bullet.
I'm sure the poor girl was already dead before they shot the c%#t. So the shooter did this country a favour. Let no one give this Garda any grief. Give him a medal.

WomanSkirtFan8 · 21-05-2018 04:49PM

awful, awful news. Was really hoping against hope that this wouldn't be the case. RIP Jastine.

Amalgam · 21-05-2018 04:50PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Are you, of all people, SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY playing the virtue signalling "don't pass judgment before facts" card

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Look at their post history in this thread, carefully velvet trolling the forum. Just ignore.

More Music · 21-05-2018 04:51PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Pretty much was maninasia said but with less words cos, it’s twitter. Managed to get in a hashtag about justice and some other one. She mentioned the12 hour thing to and she’d be alive if Gardai had got there sooner.

Dunno how she came to that conclusion but obviously realised she was a numpty and deleted her tweet

I don't think Three would be too impressed either.

Time · 21-05-2018 04:51PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You may know someone that has experienced pychosis, have a chat to them about it, it's rather disturbing

I suppose you think Alan Hawe was just a good family man who “snapped” too :rolleyes:

21-05-2018 04:53PM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Sooner or later all that piece of dirt deserved was a bullet.
I'm sure the poor girl was already dead before they shot the c%#t. So the shooter did this country a favour. Let no one give this Garda any grief. Give him a medal.

The only thing I regret is that the man has been spared accounting for himself in a court and to his family. If there was a truly genuine psychiatric cause, not of his making, he will never get a hearing. I think of his children in future years when thinking back on the father they never knew, that they would have no accountability. More than anything, Jastine’s Parents will never have the opportunity to face her killer in court and be made account for his evil deed.

Missix · 21-05-2018 04:54PM

This is so,so sad for both families.The parents who have lost their child forever,and the murderers family who will be tainted for generations for having a scumbag like that in their family.

It certainly sounded like a very impulsive crime,broad daylight and spotted by at least 2 parties so no attempt to be ..well,cautious for the want of a better word.Makes me wonder 2 things...A)was he under the influence of something or B)Did he think he was grabbing a child (she was tiny) and then panic when he realised she was an adult?

More information will come out in the coming days,no doubt.But God love the innocents dragged into this nightmare

Wanderer78 · 21-05-2018 04:55PM

Time wrote: »

I suppose you think Alan Hawe was just a good family man who “snapped” too :rolleyes:

since i dont know him, id have to say, i dont know

Ash.J.Williams · 21-05-2018 04:56PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Indeed. Who knows? The man may well have been suffering from severe mental illness (psychosis) so it would be unwise to pass judgement given that nothing is yet known about his background or character.

He was suffering from being a sex offender

Sin City · 21-05-2018 04:57PM

Missix wrote: »

This is so,so sad for both families.The parents who have lost their child forever,and the murderers family who will be tainted for generations for having a scumbag like that in their family.

It certainly sounded like a very impulsive crime,broad daylight and spotted by at least 2 parties so no attempt to be ..well,cautious for the want of a better word.Makes me wonder 2 things...A)was he under the influence of something or B)Did he think he was grabbing a child (she was tiny) and then panic when he realised she was an adult?

More information will come out in the coming days,no doubt.But God love the innocents dragged into this nightmare

Who knows what was motivating him
Iv heard stories he was a sex trafficker
or he wanted a female slave
or he thought she was a child

Mostly wild speculations but Im afraid we may never know

21-05-2018 04:57PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Where'd you get this information from that they waited for daybreak? Do you know when the body was left at site? Was it Saturday? Or did he move it there and dump it on Sunday?
Interested to know as you seem to have this information that the guards don't.

No one knows, she could have been dead and dumped within an hour. The two sites are a few km's from each other.

Like poor Karen Buckley in Glasgow, she was killed minutes or moments after abduction and disposed of next day or so.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-05-2018 05:01PM

The frightening thing about this for me is the single report of the abduction. A relatively busy time of the day in the middle of a city and a surfeit of technology and only one report of this happening.

21-05-2018 05:02PM

Goodness knows, has he killed other girls? Poor Jastine was “foreign”;, are there any other non-national girls missing whose parents might not realise their daughter is missing, whose work-place assumes others know where they are etc, I wonder?

ED E · 21-05-2018 05:02PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The frightening thing about this for me is the single report of the abduction. A relatively busy time of the day in the middle of a city and a surfeit of technology and only one report of this happening.

Middle of a city? Unless I'm mistaken she was very much not in the middle of a city.

Alun · 21-05-2018 05:03PM

ED E wrote: »

Middle of a city? Unless I'm mistaken she was very much not in the middle of a city.

Indeed, the outskirts of a small village hardly a bastion of covert surveillance and CCTV cameras!

thomas 123 · 21-05-2018 05:04PM

It was in a bit of a weird spot from the image they showed on the news. Main road with footpath and lots of grass, looked semi-rural.

Synode · 21-05-2018 05:04PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It was a built up area with plenty of housing.

The road she was kidnapped is not a built up area

Alun · 21-05-2018 05:05PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

It was in a bit of a weird spot from the image they showed on the news. Main road with footpath and lots of grass, looked semi-rural.

The abduction apparently took place here, just outside Enniskerry by the entrance to Powerscourt house and gardens.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.1882274,-6.1697703,3a,75y,338.81h,87.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUfnow6n5HN4OnNWjSsiagw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DUfnow6n5HN4OnNWjSsiagw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D330.38266%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Beechwoodspark · 21-05-2018 05:05PM

Truly shocking and tragic. RIP Jastine Valdez.

BarryD2 · 21-05-2018 05:06PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Imagine being the search team trying to recover the body at the moment. Apparently they cant even get to it physically yet

Reported as being about 50 metres in from the road, so dare say they could get to very quickly if they wanted. Delays likely due to need to gather evidence.

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 05:06PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The frightening thing about this for me is the single report of the abduction. A relatively busy time of the day in the middle of a city and a surfeit of technology and only one report of this happening.

Hardly anywhere close to being described as the middle of the city where he abducted her. Where do you think it was? I was thankful and surprised at the time that the incident was spotted where it happened

wellwhynot · 21-05-2018 05:06PM

So very sad. What a waste of a life. I know people who know Mark Hennessy and they seem to have a lot more information than seems to be in the press. I am not going to say it here but if true I am sure it will come out over the coming days. My thoughts are with the poor innocent woman he murdered and her family.

21-05-2018 05:06PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The frightening thing about this for me is the single report of the abduction. A relatively busy time of the day in the middle of a city and a surfeit of technology and only one report of this happening.

The small section of road is quite dark with trees, quite narrow, and any time I driven by on my way to Powerscourt my eyes are focused on looking for traffic coming round corners near Enniskerry village. I could imagine myself missing the moment where that happened.

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 05:07PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The frightening thing about this for me is the single report of the abduction. A relatively busy time of the day in the middle of a city and a surfeit of technology and only one report of this happening.

It wasnt in the middle of a city ? It was outside a village in Wicklow on a country road .

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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