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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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  • #842
    [Deleted User]
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    RasTa wrote: »
    Gardai story is now(on newstalk there) the officer thought the girl was in the car and he was going to stab her so he fired the shot.

    P45 for that gardai, same as that other one who shot someone in Dublin in the early hours of the morning and we've heard nothing since.

    Didn't realise we had the new Commissioner posting with us. Just an FYI, ''Gardai'' is plural and ''Garda'' is singular, if you're going sacking anyone.


  • #843
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,203 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I just can't get over the amount of crime procedure experts and weapons experts we have here.
    Boards is blessed.


  • #844
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    P45 will ya stop....
    Amalgam wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    You can't kill people and then turn around and say I thought I saw someone in the car...


  • #845
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I find its mental that people are spending more time criticising the cops than criticising that dope for abducting the girl in the first place.


  • #846
    Kyra Fierce Pacemaker
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kyra Fierce Pacemaker


    artvanderlay wrote: »
    Could they not have shot him in the leg to disable him? She is still missing, and they would have wanted to extract information from him about her whereabouts...I know it all happens very quickly but surely in a situation like this, marksmen should be trained to disable as well as kill. If it was up to me, I'd still shoot the ****er dead but after the girl is found.
    Do you own a firearm? In particular a handgun?
    Have you ever been in a life threatening situation in response to what looks to be a madman who abducted a young woman off the side of the road?
    Imagine the split second decision and blood rush from doing something like this as the cops are being rushed with an unhinged guy with a lethal weapon in his hand

    Unreal stuff I'm reading this morning, unjustified armchair nonsense and crazy criticism of a detective who was clearly trying to protect the public and his fellow colleagues.


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  • #847
    Mrcaramelchoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    There was a woman on the sean o rourke show there this morning describing her attempted abduction 2 years ago.jesus if your man had succeeded god knows what he would have done to her.she fought back and he ran away.an extremely brave woman.
    I know its possibly a trite thing to say but this **** is happening here in good old Ireland. i find it very hard to grasp..


  • #848
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,064 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Sundew wrote: »
    Paul williams on Newstalk now. Seemingly officer was sure she was beside him in car with him holding knife so took action. Wonder has Hennessy done things previously in the Wicklow area unbeknowns to the Gardai?

    Several abduction attempts in kiliney over the last year and there's the missing woman from clondalkin who's car was found in bray


  • #849
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I find its mental that people are spending more time criticising the cops than criticising that dope for abducting the girl in the first place.

    Or coming up with the most crazy scenarios and explanations on how this garda could have not fired any shots or disabled the suspect somehow.

    Considering how often we heard about gardai firing their weapons I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption perhaps he had a good reason to do so.

    If there were many trigger happy gardai out there I think we'd have heard about it by now.


  • #850
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭nc6000


    tayto lover wrote:
    I just can't get over the amount of crime procedure experts and weapons experts we have here. Boards is blessed.


    Yes.The Gardai should have checked here for advice before confronting him.


  • #851
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,064 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    RasTa wrote: »
    You can't kill people and then turn around and say I thought I saw someone in the car...

    That's exactly what they should do


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  • #852
    woejus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭woejus


    Charge a gun, run from a knife

    Old video but shows how someone with a knife can close 20 feet gap between you, before you can draw your gun and fire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0haocH4-o


  • #853
    irishproduce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Did this man and the woman know each other? Or was this just a grab and go kidnap?


  • #854
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Obviously, if it was me in that scenario, I would have dumbfounded the assailant with the beauty of my skills in interpretative dance. He would have put down his weapon and given himself up to the Gardai as I showed him how much hurt he was causing through my use of a mournful foxtrot.


  • #855
    Ganymede Glow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭Ganymede Glow


    The gardai or in particular the detective who fired, didnt ask for this to happen. He didnt wake up and say 'I fancy shooting someone today'.

    Wonder what Mark Hennessy thought when he woke up before grabbing the keys of the car.


  • #856
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    irishproduce wrote: »
    Did this man and the woman know each other? Or was this just a grab and go kidnap?

    I would imagine it'll take quite some time before that information comes out (if ever). Phones, social media accounts, email accounts, web history and all that will have to be analysed.


  • #857
    [Deleted User]
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    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    Oh calm down.
    everyone of us in here is either surmising or just putting forward an opinion because none of us know the facts.im not criticising the gardai sorry if it seems like it and unlike you i don't play call of duty.games are for children.

    I've never played a Call of Duty game in my life, ever. Secondly I believe those games are rated for adults so you're talking sh*te. Thirdly, I work in a prison and I've seen people slashed and stabbed badly with knives so I'm fairly au fait with how dangerous knives can be in the hands of a lunatic. It's a lot easier to say you'll do this that and the other until you're 5 foot away from some fellas face cut open so badly you can see his teeth glaring at you through where his cheek used to be.


  • #858
    Textronic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Textronic


    antodeco wrote: »
    If he abducted and (potentially) murdered (assumption based on no facts) someone, then went to attack a Garda, the shooting was 100% justified. I just feel sorry for his wife and kids. No matter what sort of a person someone is, a child never thinks that of them. For them, they have lost their father, and that's what's terrible for them. (Regardless of the person he may turn out to be).

    Depends if he was a monster at home


  • #859
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    RasTa wrote: »
    Gardai story is now(on newstalk there) the officer thought the girl was in the car and he was going to stab her so he fired the shot.

    So he was firing 9mm rounds into a car with the victim in it :confused:

    Massive cover-up will be required if any mistakes were made here.

    The gardai will have to get their story straight and issue a statement fast although they don't even seem to be able to get that right.

    Watch them backtrack on the statement above.


  • #860
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Swanner wrote: »
    So he was firing 9mm rounds into a car with the victim in it :confused:

    Massive cover-up will be required if any mistakes were made here.

    The gardai will have to get their story straight and issue a statement fast although they don't even seem to be able to get that right.

    Watch them backtrack on the statement above.

    FFS. We don't know what he was firing yet. We know fcukall about the incident.

    But you keep going with your anti-Gardaí agenda.


  • #861
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RasTa wrote: »
    Gardai story is now(on newstalk there) the officer thought the girl was in the car and he was going to stab her so he fired the shot.

    P45 for that gardai, same as that other one who shot someone in Dublin in the early hours of the morning and we've heard nothing since.


    Like I said

    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I'd be willing to bet that some of the people that confronted him before he fled told the Gardaí she was in the car and that was the cause of the confusion about her presence earlier.


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  • #862
    Odelay
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    artvanderlay wrote: »
    Could they not have shot him in the leg to disable him? She is still missing, and they would have wanted to extract information from him about her whereabouts...I know it all happens very quickly but surely in a situation like this, marksmen should be trained to disable as well as kill. If it was up to me, I'd still shoot the ****er dead but after the girl is found.

    Marks men?? What were they going to do while waiting for marks men to arrive?
    He was going for a traffics cop with a Stanley knife ffs.


  • #863
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,064 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Obviously, if it was me in that scenario, I would have dumbfounded the assailant with the beauty of my skills in interpretative dance. He would put down his weapon and given himself up to the Gardai as I showed him how much hurt he was causing through my use of a mournful foxtrot.

    myself I would have done "the Crane" form karate kid


  • #864
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Swanner wrote: »
    So he was firing 9mm rounds into a car with the victim in it :confused:
    No, he wasn't.

    Someone on the radio is claiming third-hand that's what happened.


  • #865
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Swanner wrote: »
    So he was firing 9mm rounds into a car with the victim in it :confused:

    Massive cover-up will be required if any mistakes were made here.

    The gardai will have to get their story straight and issue a statement fast although they don't even seem to be able to get that right.

    Watch them backtrack on the statement above.

    Go on, what have they done to you previously?

    You have a horn for them doing a cover up, did they give you a speeding ticket or something?


  • #866
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Body found in Leadmines

    This was posted almost 45 minutes ago, (edited to "apparently" after urging by other posters to not post something so huge unless 100%).

    So what is the latest update from this "journalist" friend of yours? A very big statement that appears to have been grossly wrong


  • #867
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Swanner wrote: »
    So he was firing 9mm rounds into a car with the victim in it :confused:

    How the hell do you make that leap of 'logic'?

    Even if they thought she was in the car...where do you get the information that he was in the car? Or even anywhere near the car?


  • #868
    The Royal Scam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭The Royal Scam


    This thread is a horror show. still a very live situation and a lot of you should be ashamed of the way you are speculating etc.


  • #869
    Gwen Cooper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Gwen Cooper


    In my country we have a proverb: "After a battle everyone is a general." Quite fitting here after seeing all the firearms and combat experts.


  • #870
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    There was a woman on the sean o rourke show there this morning describing her attempted abduction 2 years ago.jesus if your man had succeeded god knows what he would have done to her.she fought back and he ran away.an extremely brave woman.
    I know its possibly a trite thing to say but this **** is happening here in good old Ireland. i find it very hard to grasp..

    My younger sister was also the victim of an attempted abduction by 2 men in a van in broad daylight a few years ago. Think I posted here about it - guards were less than helpful there aswell.


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  • #871
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    myself I would have done "the Crane" form karate kid

    Yeah, the Gardai need to get their marching orders if they didn't try this on the suspect before going for the kill option.


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