8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

DOS · 20-05-2018 09:15PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Them
ðɛm,ðəm/Submit
pronoun
1.
used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

Pray tell me what words am I supposed to use? I would very much like to know the proper use of the queen's english.......

I have seen plenty of posts by yourself distinguishing between the yes and no side, I believe the phrase is pot calling the kettle black.

I don't know who you are in real life, I have never spoken with you on the street and I know I have never dined with you. I also know one thing for sure I don't want to get to know you ,even after the 25th.

It's the way you post Spookworm.

It wasnt me123 · 20-05-2018 09:15PM

DOS wrote: »

Cheap shots.

She struggled with her mental health. Are you perfect?

I didn't take the cheap shot, her mother did and if she was so worried about her mental health / or her image, why then get up in front of a load of people and drag her back up into the national forum after her death.

Nobody is perfect but FYI, I've never assaulted anyone or been addicted to illegal drugs.

Calina · 20-05-2018 09:16PM

DOS wrote: »

I sincerely hope that when (I can't see a No vote over 45%) Yes win there will be respect all around.

It's a sensitive, personal topic and any gloating would be regrettable. Likewise if No get a surge, but I don't see it.

If yes were to win, i would expect to see some elation, but above all else, relief.

Based on my twitter feed I expect serious metal scale gloating from some segments of the no campaign.

DOS · 20-05-2018 09:16PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Them
ðɛm,ðəm/Submit
pronoun
1.
used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

Pray tell me what words am I supposed to use? I would very much like to know the proper use of the queen's english.......

I have seen plenty of posts by yourself distinguishing between the yes and no side, I believe the phrase is pot calling the kettle black.

I don't know who you are in real life, I have never spoken with you on the street and I know I have never dined with you. I also know one thing for sure I don't want to get to know you ,even after the 25th.

Metaphor my dear woman.

There's a bitterness in your posts. I hope you find peace.

nozzferrahhtoo · 20-05-2018 09:18PM

DOS wrote: »

I sincerely hope that when (I can't see a No vote over 45%) Yes win there will be respect all around. It's a sensitive, personal topic and any gloating would be regrettable. Likewise if No get a surge, but I don't see it.

Here we agree, but I think your target is the wrong one. Alas the RIGHT one is not a target we can move or hit. It is the media itself.

There is ALWAYS gloaters. But they tend often to be in the vast minority. But the media finds them likes flies to excrement. And they plaster it all over our papers and screens.

I remember the cease fire. I was pretty young when it happened. But one thing I do remember was on the RTE two lads driving a car VERY dangerously around the place. One of them hanging out the window by his knees. A flag on fire in one hand. A mock up of a soldiers head in the other. And screaming at the camera "WE WON THE WAR!"

SO yeah we are agreed gloating is bad. But let us never pretend the tiny pockets of it the media dig out for us to tut-tut over is in any way representative when it happens shall we? Regardless of which side loses and which side gloats.

fxotoole · 20-05-2018 09:18PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Both posters side by side.

https://www.facebook.com/RuthCoppingerTD/posts/1693520757405225

The No side came up with almost identical size, colour, font and image.

This is disgusting. I've deliberately restrained myself from posting anything on Facebook regarding my feelings on the upcoming referendum. However this post boils my blood and in response, I've just shared the video of Savita's parents calling for people to vote Yes. I'd encourage everyone else to do the same.

thee glitz · 20-05-2018 09:23PM

frag420 wrote: »

Il stand over that...

Now tell me why a good friend of mine who is having treatment for breast cancer for the last few months has just been told that as she is now pregnant that they cannot keep treating her cancer in case it hurts the foetus!? Basically they must wait for it to more or less terminal before they will step in to help?

What would you suggest in this instance?

What would you tell her two kids and husband?

I'm not saying your good friend shouldn't get any treatment she needs, but what does abortions being carried out without reason have to do with it?

seamus wrote: »

Nobody is voting on the proposed legislation.

As the No side are only so eager to point out, the legislation can be changed five minutes after the referendum.

Nobody is voting on the legislation, nerely on whether they approve of the Dail being able to legislate.

Yes, you are technically correct, the best kind of correctness. The proposed legislation is out there, so how politically feasible would it be to not enact it in the face of a Yes vote? We're not voting on the legislation, but it can reasonably be expected to be introduced should there be a Yes vote. So, in effect, we are voting on it.

Drop the idea of abortion without reason and there wouldn't be much debate about this.

DubInMeath wrote: »

No I asked you a direct question, your just refusing to answer.

So please advise how you wish to keep a rape victim pregnant with the child of their rapist when they don't want to be isn't harming the woman in your opinion?

What's the incidence of this? Are you saying that anyone should be allowed to abort their healthy unborn because of this possibility arising?

DOS · 20-05-2018 09:25PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I didn't take the cheap shot, her mother did and if she was so worried about her mental health / or her image, why then get up in front of a load of people and drag her back up into the national forum after her death.

Nobody is perfect but FYI, I've never assaulted anyone or been addicted to illegal drugs.

You took a cheap shot at Dolores about the plane incident.

Dolores O'Riordan is an Irish icon to many. Contrast her treatment with the exhaltation of 'Savita'.

It's shamefull how the Yes side name drop her at every opportunity and wear her tragedy as a mantle. Use her name to point score. Speaking of Savita as if they knew her personally.

DOS · 20-05-2018 09:27PM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Here we agree, but I think your target is the wrong one. Alas the RIGHT one is not a target we can move or hit. It is the media itself.

There is ALWAYS gloaters. But they tend often to be in the vast minority. But the media finds them likes flies to excrement. And they plaster it all over our papers and screens.

I remember the cease fire. I was pretty young when it happened. But one thing I do remember was on the RTE two lads driving a car VERY dangerously around the place. One of them hanging out the window by his knees. A flag on fire in one hand. A mock up of a soldiers head in the other. And screaming at the camera "WE WON THE WAR!"

SO yeah we are agreed gloating is bad. But let us never pretend the tiny pockets of it the media dig out for us to tut-tut over is in any way representative when it happens shall we? Regardless of which side loses and which side gloats.

I remember 31 August 1994 very well. I've a few years on you. Yes terrible scene, televised.

Dressing gown · 20-05-2018 09:32PM

DOS wrote: »

I sincerely hope that when (I can't see a No vote over 45%) Yes win there will be respect all around.

It's a sensitive, personal topic and any gloating would be regrettable. Likewise if No get a surge, but I don't see it.

I won’t be gloating. A whole lot of work will still need to be done before any legislation gets over the line. Given the funds of the no side the legislation that comes out from this will be hard fought. I’m not delighted about abortion. I won’t be celebrating that. I honestly believe it is an incredibly hard decision for someone to make and I think they need to make that decision for themselves. But I do believe the 8th amendment has no place in our constitution. I also believe whether I’m right or wrong that people that view abortion as murder have come to that view from religious indoctrination. And I don’t hold that against anyone. I know plenty of people say it isn’t to do with religion for them, but the fact is it is entirely to do with religion for many.

freshpopcorn · 20-05-2018 09:32PM

My take on the result is going by the marriage referendum is,
Yes in it was 62% No was 38%.
Now based on my personal experience everybody I know who voted No are voting No this time around.
I also know a few Yes's who'll be turning to No this time.
I don't know anybody who voted No and voting Yes this time.
However all the new people registered to Vote will make a difference this time around.
We will see a few constituencies going No tough.
When I talk to people about it.I get a very mixed response.

fxotoole · 20-05-2018 09:32PM

DOS wrote: »

I sincerely hope that when (I can't see a No vote over 45%) Yes win there will be respect all around.

It's a sensitive, personal topic and any gloating would be regrettable. Likewise if No get a surge, but I don't see it.

I hope so too. Respect is a two way street, and in the event of Yes passing, I'd fully expect people on the No side to show the same respect to the law, and each other, as I would.

ohnonotgmail · 20-05-2018 09:33PM

thee glitz wrote: »

I'm not saying your good friend shouldn't get any treatment she needs, but what does abortions being carried out without reason have to do with it?

Yes, you are technically correct, the best kind of correctness. The proposed legislation is out there, so how politically feasible would it be to not enact it in the face of a Yes vote? We're not voting on the legislation, but it can reasonably be expected to be introduced should there be a Yes vote. So, in effect, we are voting on it.

Drop the idea of abortion without reason and there wouldn't be much debate about this.

What's the incidence of this? Are you saying that anyone should be allowed to abort their healthy unborn because of this possibility arising?

Fantasy. Some other reason would be found by the No side

gmisk · 20-05-2018 09:33PM

DOS wrote: »

You took a cheap shot at Dolores about the plane incident.

Dolores O'Riordan is an Irish icon to many. Contrast her treatment with the exhaltation of 'Savita'.

It's shamefull how the Yes side name drop her at every opportunity and wear her tragedy as a mantle. Use her name to point score. Speaking of Savita as if they knew her personally.

The yes side have been given permission to use her image by her parents, the no side are using her image as well on posters bizarrely... Do you agree with that?
Wear her tragedy as a mantle? Lovely

I think there will be some gloating if the Yes side win, and tbh I can't blame them, elements of the no campaign have tried to drag this referendum into the gutters.

It wasnt me123 · 20-05-2018 09:34PM

DOS wrote: »

You took a cheap shot at Dolores about the plane incident.

Dolores O'Riordan is an Irish icon to many. Contrast her treatment with the exhaltation of 'Savita'. It's shamefull how the Yes side name drop her at every opportunity and wear her tragedy as a mantle. Use her name to point score. Speaking of Savita as if they knew her personally.

It wasn't a cheap shot, it was the truth. And though she was a good singer, she was no icon. A few hits more than 10 years ago don't maketh an icon in my book.

A cheap shot is the No campaign using Savita's image. Her parents have asked Ireland to vote Yes on Friday and have given permission for Savita's image to be used by the Yes side. She was a victim of the 8th amendment that has been portrayed both on tv and in the Dail. People feel they knew her and they certainly knew of her last few weeks alive.

Overheal · 20-05-2018 09:36PM

DOS wrote: »

I sincerely hope that when (I can't see a No vote over 45%) Yes win there will be respect all around.

It's a sensitive, personal topic and any gloating would be regrettable. Likewise if No get a surge, but I don't see it.

Celebration as with any progress forward has had; but you won’t see anyone routed out for voting No.

In contrast one or two people have apparently argued that if Yes loses each one should be rounded up and sterilized. So there’s that...

20-05-2018 09:37PM

thee glitz wrote: »

What's the incidence of this? Are you saying that anyone should be allowed to abort their healthy unborn because of this possibility arising?

I'm asking you

So please advise how you wish to keep a rape victim pregnant with the child of their rapist when they don't want to be isn't harming the woman in your opinion?

What's so hard in answering the question based on your opinion, when others have answered your question?

mirrorwall14 · 20-05-2018 09:38PM

Question, abortion isn't going to happen immediately even if the 8th is removed as legislation is needed. What about healthcare? I'm pregnant. With all the stories at the moment I'm completely freaked that if I get sick my family will have to wait for me to be at deaths door before intervention. I know rationally its unlikely, but if the 8th is repealed does womens healthcare in pregnancy change or do we wait for legislation there too?

Achasanai · 20-05-2018 09:40PM

DOS wrote: »

On the doorstep Maria Steen has been mentioned as opening people's minds. Like her or not she debates well.

Dr. Boylan was in a right fudge, especially when it was revealed only a clique of obstetricians were made aware of the meeting to vote yes.

He's a liability and looks like he's paid off. He comes across as a very arrogant man.

Mentioned by who? I'm assuming we're going full anecdotal here. I know of a few waverers who are probable yeses after seeing her and the Spirit FM one in action. Boylan I grant you is along similar lines. He doesn't help persuading don't knows to yes.

spookwoman · 20-05-2018 09:42PM

There has been some underhanded campaign by the No side, the booklet that looks like a government publication is one for sure. Has there been anything like that done by the Yes side?

fxotoole · 20-05-2018 09:43PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Question, abortion isn't going to happen immediately even if the 8th is removed as legislation is needed. What about healthcare? I'm pregnant. With all the stories at the moment I'm completely freaked that if I get sick my family will have to wait for me to be at deaths door before intervention. I know rationally its unlikely, but if the 8th is repealed does womens healthcare in pregnancy change or do we wait for legislation there too?

If the 8th is repealed, the Oireachtas may proceed with bringing legislation forward. But this is likely to take months to be implemented in the law. So effectively, healthcare will not change in the immediate term.

Edit: I'm not a legal eagle or medical professional, so this is just the opinion of a layperson!

realitykeeper · 20-05-2018 09:56PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Are you from waterford because that's as bad as the woman on newstalk today on about rape and rape rooms

Rape rooms. Are they the rape equivalent of wet houses for alcoholics or injection centers for junkies?

I am an optimist but I think Ireland is doomed.

realitykeeper · 20-05-2018 09:59PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Are we the only country in Europe that dosent allow murder and paedophilia so our citizens have to go else where to commit these crimes? Cop yourself on

So what you are saying is if they did allow those things, we should too. Didn`t cop that, did you?

realitykeeper · 20-05-2018 10:01PM

eviltwin wrote: »

We aren't talking about murder or paedophilia though are we do it's all moot. Unless you think women who have abortions are in the same category as those who rape children

Not at all. Rape victims live to tell the tale, abortion victims don`t.

Cupcake_Crisis · 20-05-2018 10:04PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Seriously? What angle are they using?

The No camp seem to be the desperate camp.

Surely they need permission to use an image?

The one I saw was along the lines of ‘thousands shouldn’t die in her nane’. I too would have thought permission would have been needed to use her image, permission that wouldn’t have been forthcoming given her parents stance. I’d wager that, as with most of their posters, they just threw it together and hoped for the best.

realitykeeper · 20-05-2018 10:05PM

PressRun wrote: »

Are all those countries where abortion is legal also allowing pedophilia and genocide and murder as well? Or are you just being a wee bit hysterical?

So you are saying if they do something, we should do it and if they don`t, neither should we. Lets hope they never legalize, murder, rape or pedophilia then. I suggest the Irish think for themselves.

sightband · 20-05-2018 10:05PM

“Wet houses and rape rooms” the Stuart Olding and Paddy Jackson story.

freshpopcorn · 20-05-2018 10:05PM

I haven't posted about this on social media. I see a few people into into it but it's more the young one's.(I'm late twenties)
I however logged into facebook with an old email addresses and followed online discussion on the matter/etc.
Yes say Maria steen converts don't know's to Yes.
No's say she converts them to No.
Yes say Peter Boylan converts people to Yes.
No's say he converts people to No.
Then they write about a relative who switched to suit their side.
Yes's hated the Prime Time debate. No's Loved it.
The TV3 one was a lot quiter Yes liked the fact check No's didn't and said it was fixed with a pro=repeal person.
It's the same with what you consider a baby and what you consider a fetus.
I have followed it it various places and it seems to be the same people posting constantly on both sides. I almost feel like I know these people.

20-05-2018 10:08PM

realitykeeper wrote: »

I suggest the Irish think for themselves.

Those of us voting for repeal are doing exactly this.

realitykeeper · 20-05-2018 10:11PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Those of us voting for repeal are doing exactly this.

May God have mercy on your soul.

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