8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

gctest50 wrote: »

That's why it should have never been in the Constitution in the first place

There's an awful lot of stuff in the constitution which should never have been there in the first place.

one world order wrote: »

Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

That's a load of total crap. But if it was true, does your admiration for forcing 100,000 women to give birth against their will reflect well on you? Women are people not vessels for your sperm.

antiskeptic wrote: »

Because they havent a clue?

Because the christianity forum says no sex before marriage right?

_Dara_ wrote: »

From John McGuirk's meltdown last week, I ascertained that the No campaign was relying heavily on online campaigns and was less organised when it came to leafleting.

I think you are right probably, I am still getting no adverts when browsing though... Quite a lot of them

joe40 wrote: »

About 3000 irish women get abortions. every year.
35 years x 3000 = 105000

The 8th saved nothing just caused pain, heartache and ironically death.

It's actually 155,000 abortions since 1983. The number of women traveling increased after the 8th was passed, and reached a peak of 6,700 in 2001. It's been slowly falling since, and 2016 was the first time the numbers fell below the 1983 numbers.

Also bear in mind these figures doesn't include women who go to other countries or who import and use pills, so they're the the minimum, not the totality.

NuMarvel wrote: »

It's actually 155,000 abortions since 1983. The number of women traveling increased after the 8th was passed, and reached a peak of 6,700 in 2001. It's been slowly falling since, and 2016 was the first time the numbers fell below the 1983 numbers.

We can thank the morning after pill for most of that - but guess who was opposing the MAP ten years ago...?

If they actually wanted fewer abortions, they'd be all for better and earlier sex education, widespread and free access to contraception, widespread and free and non-prescription access to the morning after pill, much better supports for single parents, but they've opposed all of these things.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's a load of total crap. But if it was true, does your admiration for forcing 100,000 women to give birth against their will reflect well on you? Women are people not vessels for your sperm.

Not according to the Renua man in Mayo

goat2 wrote: »

I got a booklet through letter box from the yes side, I am wondering why this is so one sided that I did not receive a booklet from the, No side,

Im a postman, we had a booklet from each side to deliver to every house this week. It's what most call junk mail, not sure why you only got the No booklet but im sure both sides had a print run for the whole country

antiskeptic wrote: »

The Christianity forum says do what you like.

Oh so they are going for repeal? Thats unexpected.

Dressing gown wrote: »

Re turnout, I registered to vote at the last minute. So I hand delivered my form to the council. At the same time 2 ‘youngsters’ walked down to the office from the Garda station at the same time. The woman in the office told me they had had 3 crates of forms that week alone. There will be a massive youth vote. Of course there will be no voters in it but they will be yes voters for the majority. I think the youth vote will get it over the line. I also hope there are closet yes voters from families that are expected to vote no but might actually vote yes. Will be crossing my fingers and toes anyway.

I am so pleased to read that the youth vote is looking strong. I don't think the older voter is looking too shabby either. Two weekends ago, I visited my 76 year old father, and while I had no intentions of introducing the referendum as a topic during my visit, the topic came up during dinner one evening. I didn't bring it up - the 14 year old grandson of my dad's girlfriend did. Anyway, my father told me that although he voted yes to the 1983 referendum, he realised soon afterwards that it was a big mistake and he will be voting yes to repeal that amendment now. This from the man who said to me "well, at least you didn't use contraception" in 1989 when I told him I was pregnant with my daughter (the same daughter he persuaded me to find an adoptive family for).

His similar-aged girlfriend said she too was voting yes. Her daughter (the mother of the 14 year old who introduced the topic) said she didn't understand the referendum so we explained it to her. Me, my dad, and my dad's lovely lady. Now, she too is going to vote yes.

My dad asked me if I was surprised he was going to vote yes. The truth is, I was scared to broach the topic, considering all that's happened in my life with regard to my daughter, and how painful I find our separation, but I was pleased to learn he could see the bigger picture and will be voting yes next Friday; as will all of us that had dinner together that night, except, of course, the 14 year old who started the conversation. He would vote yes if he was allowed to vote. Hopefully we can make it unnecessary for him to have to do so some day in the future.

I don't understand why anyone would block this. I know I approach this from an emotional platform, so I would be a useless canvasser, so allow me please to say a big thank you to all of you who have gone out and canvassed. Lia Lia, for example; nervous but determined. You are all heroes in my eyes. Thank you. I feel this time we will be granted the freedom we've been denied for too long - I truly do.

pjohnson wrote: »

I got none

Me neither. And I'm glad.
My mind won't be made up by glossy pamphlets.
Between tat coming through letterboxes and corriboard posters on lampposts,the country is awash with litter.
Primitive and outdated electioneering.
I'm surprised there aren't town criers roaming the streets.... ffs.