8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

iamwhoiam · 18-05-2018 08:46PM

erica74 wrote: »

I haven't changed my opinion on this matter since I was a teenager. Before that, I was brainwashed by my mother, who is bananas.

Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

Sofiztikated · 18-05-2018 08:48PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

If it's on 2'x3' corriboard, someone will believe it.

antiskeptic · 18-05-2018 08:50PM

Try_harder wrote: »

Has anyone changed their opinion since the referendum was called? Honestly?

Havent you been following the polls?

terenc · 18-05-2018 08:50PM

Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

reubenreuben · 18-05-2018 08:50PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

It's influenced me as I now know that the people who are putting up the no posters are mental cases

Sofiztikated · 18-05-2018 08:52PM

terenc wrote: »

Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

With the 8th in place, there are a lot of people that you might have known, that aren't there.

antiskeptic · 18-05-2018 08:55PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

With the 8th in place, there are a lot of people that you might have known, that aren't there.

A lot? If it were a lot we'd have heard about them.

BMMachine · 18-05-2018 08:55PM

are the Edgelords voting Yes or No? I imagine its a begrudging 'Yes' but damn sure won't be happy about the "SJW's" celebrating.

Sofiztikated · 18-05-2018 08:59PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

A lot? If it were a lot we'd have heard about them.

I've just seen your sig on desktop, after using mobile for most of the week.

It's fair to say you haven't a bulls notion what the topic is actually about. So no, I'm not explaining **** to you.

retro:electro · 18-05-2018 09:00PM

terenc wrote: »

Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

And there are a lot of women who the 8th directly effects but hey screw them right?
Ya know I don’t get the whole “there’s a lot of people who wouldn’t be around today had the 8th not been in place” thing. I mean grand, if that’s how you feel. But you are saying that with the benefit of knowing them and them having lived. Had they not lived you’d never know any different. And their mothers had a choice, and chose to keep them. I know people who will be voting No and who will be marking that box as a way of easing their conscience that they are doing their part in saving all the babies, but in doing that they’re playing a massive part in increasing the burden in an already demanding decision. I just think Irish women deserve better than that.

How Soon Is Now · 18-05-2018 09:00PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Do you work in/for a company that sells products in Europe?

Currently between jobs as they say. :pac:

circadian · 18-05-2018 09:01PM

terenc wrote: »

Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

Kthanxbai.

Hotblack Desiato · 18-05-2018 09:02PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

In fact, this might be their very last stand. I can't see anyone getting so excited about deleting the separation time limit on divorce or deleting the preamble.

The 8th in 1983 was the last hurrah really for Holy Catholic Ireland. It's been all downhill for them ever since.

gmisk · 18-05-2018 09:04PM

terenc wrote: »

Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

OK... No clue

antiskeptic · 18-05-2018 09:04PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I've just seen your sig on desktop, after using mobile for most of the week.

It's fair to say you haven't a bulls notion what the topic is actually about. So no, I'm not explaining **** to you.

The topic was the 8th and how it has supposedly resulted on peoples deaths. No?

Head over to the Christianity thread if you think you can make a case for so much as a single person having died because of the 8th.

Youll have to do better than chant slogans tho'

ShaneU · 18-05-2018 09:09PM

I don't want teenage girls who break up with their boyfriends getting abortions out of spite. This is already happening with trips to the UK but making it easier won't help.

But I also don't want rape and incest victims or women in life threatening situations to be forced to give birth here either.

All is better than nothing I suppose but I personally would have preferred another option with some stricter regulations.

FingerDeKat · 18-05-2018 09:11PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

Head over to the Christianity thread

lol eh no.

Why would anyone waste time pandering to deluded adults that believe in a bearded sky-fairy.

antiskeptic · 18-05-2018 09:15PM

ShaneU wrote: »

I don't want teenage girls who break up with their boyfriends getting abortions out of spite. This is already happening with trips to the UK but making it easier won't help.

But I also don't want rape and incest victims or women in life threatening situations to be forced to give birth here either.

All is better than nothing I suppose but I personally would have preferred another option with some stricter regulations.

You think there arent equally selfish motivations for an abortion all the way up through life?

Just how many abortions thro rape and incest do you think there are??

Got a weighing scales?

RabbleRouser2k · 18-05-2018 09:16PM

ShaneU wrote: »

I don't want teenage girls who break up with their boyfriends getting abortions out of spite. This is already happening with trips to the UK but making it easier won't help.

But I also don't want rape and incest victims or women in life threatening situations to be forced to give birth here either.

All is better than nothing I suppose but I personally would have preferred another option with some stricter regulations.

That's often down to those girls having a terrible upbringing-the 'spoilt b!tch' who thinks getting a termination is as easy as a shopping trip.

They don't realise that everyone reacts differently to a termination-and while one girl will not regret it, another will rue the day on every anniversary.

But we cannot police stupidity. It's why education is so important-it's a last step, for many, and every woman reacts differently. Every person has regrets, but you can't police that.

pitifulgod · 18-05-2018 09:17PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

The topic was the 8th and how it has supposedly resulted on peoples deaths. No?

Head over to the Christianity thread if you think you can make a case for so much as a single person having died because of the 8th.

Youll have to do better than chant slogans tho'

I can say with confidence that Savita would most likely be alive if it were not for the 8th ignoring her decision. I can also say with confidence that some of the most respected obstetricians in the state (that are currently practising too) say that the 8th negatively impacts their work. Also that the 8th means they have to wait to an incredibly late point for an abortion for the protection of the woman's life.

You've been told all of this. You ignore it. You ignore medical practisioners that are currently operating. Many of the same people you treat as credible sources opposed even the basic protection of life act.

18-05-2018 09:17PM

ShaneU wrote: »

I don't want teenage girls who break up with their boyfriends getting abortions out of spite. This is already happening with trips to the UK but making it easier won't help.

Is this really what you think of women?

The majority of women who get abortions are adult women, many of them are mothers already. They may not have the financial means to support another child, they may have health issues which make having another pregnancy extremely difficult, they may be in an abusive relationship, the reasons are endless. But doing it to spite a partner would be very far down the list...

Think of the women in your own life, do you think they would behave like that?

erica74 · 18-05-2018 09:17PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

When I see the Yes posters I think "yep, makes sense", when I see the no posters I think "lies, nonsense, fabrications" and I wonder how anyone could vote no.

Hotblack Desiato · 18-05-2018 09:18PM

Pugzilla wrote: »

People get pregnant all the time without knowing it. This situation can easily happen. No original intent to deceive is needed.

My hole. You said "when people see how lucrative it can be" which implies malice aforethought.

erica74 · 18-05-2018 09:18PM

ShaneU wrote: »

I don't want teenage girls who break up with their boyfriends getting abortions out of spite.

When has that happened?
Also, would you prefer more teenage mothers?

Hotblack Desiato · 18-05-2018 09:19PM

Pugzilla wrote: »

People are ignorant of the reasons for pregnancy tests in hospitals. Eight amendment doesn't factor into it.

It's not the test it's what happens (or, in Ireland, can't happen) after a positive test which is the problem.

_Dara_ · 18-05-2018 09:20PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It's not the test it's what happens (or, in Ireland, can't happen) after a positive test which is the problem.

Hotblack, Pugzilla has been threadbanned.

Uncharted · 18-05-2018 09:21PM

Just my 2cent observation folks......As a father to three teenage girls,I feel directly involved in the repercussions of the outcome of this referendum.
I resolutely know what way I shall be voting.

What scares me and increasingly worries me,is the volume of people who seem to be almost indifferent about it.
I live in rural Wicklow and between there and my workplace (Dublin) ,the difference in attitudes is night and day.
It's not so much diametrically opposing opinions. It's actually worse....it's lack of care or interest. Iv had verbals with (male)friends over it and I'm wondering if this ' chosen ignorance' will show itself in the polls....?

Like I said,it's just an observational aside.....

Dressing gown · 18-05-2018 09:22PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

You think there arent equally selfish motivations for an abortion all the way up through life?

Just how many abortions thro rape and incest do you think there are??

Got a weighing scales?

Antiskeptic you really let yourself down by implying pregnant women are bad people. Fact mothers are the selfless version of the species in the majority of cases. The majority of Irish women getting abortions are already mothers of two or more children. In England and Wales it is 4/5 single women. Whatever their reasons it is their way of life on the line, not yours.

erica74 · 18-05-2018 09:24PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

That's often down to those girls having a terrible upbringing-the 'spoilt b!tch' who thinks getting a termination is as easy as a shopping trip.

What

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

They don't realise that everyone reacts differently to a termination-and while one girl will not regret it, another will rue the day on every anniversary.

And it's important for every woman and girl to be able to choose based on their individual circumstances.

reubenreuben · 18-05-2018 09:24PM

terenc wrote: »

Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

Now that is a bit crazy isn't it.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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