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Leinster v Munster Semi final Build up thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Yeah I heard there were a good few changes so predicted that would be one, but am still surprised as he had a lot of managed time during the 6N.

    Looking at that predicted team, I find it hard to believe that all of those changes are about fatigue and managing minutes, I think if it was a Champions cup final this weekend it would be a different 23.

    It would, but then we wouldn't have played the same 23 last week. Last week was a real bruiser of a game. Managing guys, especially when you've the faith in their replacements, makes total sense off the back of that. Especially when you consider those guys who started last week have the match plus the celebrations to get over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Munster:
    Simon Zebo; Andrew Conway, Sammy Arnold, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray;
    James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Jack O’Donoghue, CJ Stander.

    Replacements: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, Ciaran Parker, Gerbrandt Grobler, Robin Copeland, Duncan Williams, Ian Keatley, Darren Sweetnam.

    No Chris Cloete. Pity.

    Just one change from the Edinburgh game. John Ryan returns from injury to start with Stephen Archer out for the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Munster:
    Simon Zebo; Andrew Conway, Sammy Arnold, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray;
    James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Jack O’Donoghue, CJ Stander.

    Replacements: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, Ciaran Parker, Gerbrandt Grobler, Robin Copeland, Duncan Williams, Ian Keatley, Darren Sweetnam.

    No Chris Cloete. Pity.

    Just one change from the Edinburgh game. John Ryan returns from injury to start with Stephen Archer out for the season.

    I can’t see your backrow there, oh wait no, that will be tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

    15. Joey Carbery (35)
    14. Jordan Larmour (20)
    13. Garry Ringrose (48)
    12. Isa Nacewa (183) CAPTAIN
    11. James Lowe (11)
    10. Ross Byrne (48)
    9. Luke McGrath (93)
    1. Jack McGrath (131)
    2. Seán Cronin (151)
    3. Tadhg Furlong (82)
    4. Devin Toner (216)
    5. James Ryan (13)
    6. Rhys Ruddock (140)
    7. Jordi Murphy (105)
    8. Jack Conan (72)

    16. James Tracy (64)
    17. Cian Healy (189)
    18. Andrew Porter (28)
    19. Scott Fardy (20)
    20. Max Deegan (20)
    21. Nick McCarthy (26)
    22. Rory O’Loughlin (40)
    23. Barry Daly (26)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    So are Sexton, Kearney, Leavy injured or rested?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    errlloyd wrote: »
    So are Sexton, Kearney, Leavy injured or rested?


    Injured, rested, rested


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

    15. Joey Carbery (35)
    14. Jordan Larmour (20)
    13. Garry Ringrose (48)
    12. Isa Nacewa (183) CAPTAIN
    11. James Lowe (11)
    10. Ross Byrne (48)
    9. Luke McGrath (93)
    1. Jack McGrath (131)
    2. Seán Cronin (151)
    3. Tadhg Furlong (82)
    4. Devin Toner (216)
    5. James Ryan (13)
    6. Rhys Ruddock (140)
    7. Jordi Murphy (105)
    8. Jack Conan (72)

    16. James Tracy (64)
    17. Cian Healy (189)
    18. Andrew Porter (28)
    19. Scott Fardy (20)
    20. Max Deegan (20)
    21. Nick McCarthy (26)
    22. Rory O’Loughlin (40)
    23. Barry Daly (26)

    Lowe, Ringrose, Larmour and Carbery. If the pack can get on top and Byrne gets that backline going...oh, boy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    errlloyd wrote: »
    So are Sexton, Kearney, Leavy injured or rested?

    Rested


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    stephen_n wrote: »
    I can’t see your backrow there, oh wait no, that will be tomorrow.

    Bravo sir, bravo. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Rested

    Sexton is injured right?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    durthacht wrote: »
    Sexton is injured right?


    I'd say that for a Pro14 semi-final, he's injured.



    If it was the European final tomorrow, he'd be playing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I'd say that for a Pro14 semi-final, he's injured.



    If it was the European final tomorrow, he'd be playing

    If Ireland did not have three tests next month, he would not be injured


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Just a quick note, I was having a look at the minutes racked up by various people. Devon Toner has played around 1800 minutes this season, 1266 for Leinster and 409 for Ireland. I am not sure anyone else in that Leinster 23 is over 1500 total, so some amount of work he's done for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Just a quick note, I was having a look at the minutes racked up by various people. Devon Toner has played around 1800 minutes this season, 1266 for Leinster and 409 for Ireland. I am not sure anyone else in that Leinster 23 is over 1500 total, so some amount of work he's done for us.

    Taking into account stride length, that is enough Devon to make it to Mars and back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Oooohhhhh, this is getting interesting now. Looking at those squads I think Leinster shade it up front on paper anyway. Our midfield is probably better, with the back 3 being a tough one to call. But Leinster have the better bench. Again on paper. If our heads are right and our recovery from the weekend was good then we should win this. The only concerns I'd have with the starting XV would be how fit Rhys is and how Ross Byrne performs after a few tough weeks in the last month.

    Munster have a good front row, a workmanlike second row and a talented but unbalanced back row. It's a pack that could deliver a performance, but also one that this Leinster pack should be able to get on top of. Especially at home. JJH hasn't really shown very much at 10 to date and Munsters centres simply aren't as good as Leinsters. The back 3 is where Munster look their most dangerous and where they could gain an edge. But our back 3 are no slouches either. Possibly some defensive or positioning issues in there, but the attacking threat is pretty obvious. Leinsters impact on the bench up front is pretty huge. Porter vs Parker, Fardy vs Grobler and Deegan vs Copeland are all clear wins for Leinster IMO.

    It all comes down to the off-paper stuff though. If Leinsters heads aren't in it then it could be a tough day. Munster won't be short of intent or motivation. We just need to make sure we aren't either. Match them there and I think we win it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Keet up against Larmour is a fascinating matchup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Keet up against Larmour is a fascinating matchup.

    The hot steppers???? :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭budhabob


    molloyjh wrote: »
    The hot steppers???? :cool:

    They'll just keep stepping each other and it'll end up looking like a glitch in the Matrix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,511 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Thats a lot of somewhat leaky outside backs on the pitch for Leinster all at once, and more on the bench.

    Im not damning them all, but if Benetton and Connacht could do what they did, Earls, Zebo and Murray will lick their lips.

    I wouldnt have rested Robert Kearney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,725 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The competition between the two backrows will be very interesting. I would have loved to see Leavy play as Munster have no actual openside in their squad. He could have wreaked havoc to Munster's ball. Murphy is a good 7 but doesn't have Leavy's ground game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭durthacht


    molloyjh wrote: »
    ...The only concerns I'd have with the starting XV would be how fit Rhys is and how Ross Byrne performs after a few tough weeks in the last month.
    ...

    Byrne has struggled recently alright, but behind that good pack and Luke McGrath he should get better service. The pack has been poor recently and JGP is very inconsistent, but tomorrow should be better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    durthacht wrote: »
    Byrne has struggled recently alright, but behind that good pack and Luke McGrath he should get better service. The pack has been poor recently and JGP is very inconsistent, but tomorrow should be better.

    To be fair to JGP, he's often behind a similar pack to the one you're referencing re Byrne. He's generally been pretty good behind a good pack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    JGP has been playing quite well behind the first choice pack lately I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,725 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Byrne playing alongside Nacewa is just as important as his playing behind a strong pack. Isa has a calming influence on everyone around him and he'll take some of the creative responsibility off Byrne's shoulders. Will probably take goalkicking duties off him as well. He takes so much pressure off the 10's shoulders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 398 ✭✭Herpes Free Since03


    Hopefully Isa Nacewa gets a huge send off in his last ever game for Leinster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,725 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Hopefully Isa Nacewa gets a huge send off in his last ever game for Leinster

    They have the banner ready at the Aviva.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 taheen


    25 messages are you serious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    JGP has been playing quite well behind the first choice pack lately I think.

    Thats always the problem for reserve players, they get to play with other reserve players normally. JGP has never been as bad as people make out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,667 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Thats a lot of somewhat leaky outside backs on the pitch for Leinster all at once, and more on the bench.

    Im not damning them all, but if Benetton and Connacht could do what they did, Earls, Zebo and Murray will lick their lips.

    I wouldnt have rested Robert Kearney.

    Huge game for JJH. If we [Munster] can get parity at the breakdown, we should be looking to get the ball wide to attack that Leinster back three. Not knocking them, they're amazing players, but I think it's fair to say they'd be more lauded for their attacking play than their defensive abilities.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Ross ahead of Joey again, looking good for a Munster switch :)


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