Leinster v Munster Semi final Build up thread

Squidgy Black · 18-05-2018 07:37PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/guinness-pro14/watch-luke-fitzgerald-and-alan-quinlan-pick-their-combined-leinstermunster-team-of-the-professional-era-36921881.html

Luke Fitz and Quinlan pick thier best combined Leinster/Munster team.

They would seriously struggle to be any more **** at it than that. It is appalling.

To save people the hassle of clicking in and scrolling through the absolute shocking attempt at debating their selections:

Cian Healy
Jerry Flannery
John Hayes
Donncha O’Callaghan
Paul O’Connell
Sean O’Brien
David Wallace
Jamie Heaslip
Conor Murray
Ronan O’Gara
Keith Earls
Gordon D’Arcy
Brian O’Driscoll
Doug Howlett
Isa Nacewa

Podge_irl · 18-05-2018 07:45PM

With due respect to Thomond, Hayes is a pathetically awful selection that renders the whole exercise stupid. Ross would be a lock-in pick over him, never mind Furlong. His 100 caps are a great achievement etc but I'm reluctant to relive the past and get into the ROG/Sexton thing, but Sexton should be a shoe-in at this point. Backrow is not balanced either (though I guess that's not unusual for these things).

Heres Johnny · 18-05-2018 07:57PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Podge_irl wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/guinness-pro14/watch-luke-fitzgerald-and-alan-quinlan-pick-their-combined-leinstermunster-team-of-the-professional-era-36921881.html

Luke Fitz and Quinlan pick thier best combined Leinster/Munster team.

They would seriously struggle to be any more **** at it than that. It is appalling.

To save people the hassle of clicking in and scrolling through the absolute shocking attempt at debating their selections:

Cian Healy
Jerry Flannery
John Hayes
Donncha O’Callaghan
Paul O’Connell
Sean O’Brien
David Wallace
Jamie Heaslip
Conor Murray
Ronan O’Gara
Keith Earls
Gordon D’Arcy
Brian O’Driscoll
Doug Howlett
Isa Nacewa

I'd agree with Healy and Flannery
Furlong over Hayes and Ross. Hayes over Ross though.
Donncha just shades Toner. But it's close.
POC agreed. James Ryan will be there as his partner very soon.
Agree with entire back row.
Agree with Murray.
Sexton over ROG but it's a close thing.
Earls yes.
Howlett yes.
Darcy and O Driscoll yes.
Nacewa had to be in there somewhere.

So I have 4 Leinster forwards and 4 Munster forwards
A half back from each
3 Leinster outside backs and the 2 wingers from Munster.

Think that's balanced to be fair.

Podge_irl · 18-05-2018 08:44PM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Sexton over ROG but it's a close thing.

Screw it, it's a Leinster-Munster thread

No it isn't. It isn't close at all.

18-05-2018 08:46PM

If we're including foreigners then Thorn is in the second row with O'Connell.

Every time I think I've finalised the list I remember someone else. I'd love to see this done comprehensively, would make an interesting 23.

Hayes wouldn't make the A team - sorry, not sorry thomond.

Trojan · 18-05-2018 09:10PM

What channel is this match on?

Synode · 18-05-2018 09:10PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Screw it, it's a Leinster-Munster thread

No it isn't. It isn't close at all.

It really isn't. ROG was a great player but had such a major flaw with his tackling/lightweightness. Sexton is a country mile better than him in every facet bar maybe kicking (but the gap there isn't that big)

shootermacg · 18-05-2018 09:15PM

Trojan wrote: »

What channel is this match on?

Sky and TG4

Jump_In_Jack · 18-05-2018 09:41PM

Ryan Wilson post match interview there “forgot” that Munster were still in with a chance to make the final, just wished Scarlets well in their final against Leinster...

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 10:04PM

I think people get a little carried away with Sexton tbh...if ROG was playing in this team...with this talent at his imperious disposal... we'd be talking confidently about a world cup victory

Podge_irl · 18-05-2018 10:21PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

I think people get a little carried away with Sexton tbh...if ROG was playing in this team...with this talent at his imperious disposal... we'd be talking confidently about a world cup victory

Nah. ROG simply didn’t have as much to his game. Sexton is incomparable in defence and is significantly better at bringing the ball to the gain line. ROG just didn’t have the physicality to play the game that way.

Trojan · 18-05-2018 10:21PM

Honestly, if ROG was playing with this team, we'd already have won the World Cup. The other countries would decide not to bother with the tournament at all and hand it straight to Ireland.

18-05-2018 10:23PM

Trojan wrote: »

Honestly, if ROG was playing with this team, we'd already have won the World Cup. The other countries would decide not to bother with the tournament at all and hand it straight to Ireland.

What, out of sympathy?

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 10:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What, out of sympathy?

Rog would fix them with his Blue Steel glare and they'd just cough up the ball continuously... Robbie K would be getting a hattrick in every game!

stephen_n · 18-05-2018 10:27PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

I think people get a little carried away with Sexton tbh...if ROG was playing in this team...with this talent at his imperious disposal... we'd be talking confidently about a world cup victory

So you’re saying this Leinster pack is significantly better than the Munster pack when ROG was playing? Bold statement fair play for admitting it.

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 10:30PM

stephen_n wrote: »

So you’re saying this Leinster pack is significantly better than the Munster pack when ROG was playing? Bold statement fair play for admitting it.

Yep, today's Leinster pack... with Munster halfbacks...no competition as you said

stephen_n · 18-05-2018 10:41PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

Yep, today's Leinster pack... with Munster halfbacks...no competition as you said

Much as I loved Stringer, Murray is a far better player.

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 10:45PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Much as I loved Stringer, Murray is a far better player.

So we have the best 3 halfbacks, I agree with your shout.

stephen_n · 18-05-2018 10:54PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

So we have the best 3 halfbacks, I agree with your shout.

Except for ROG of course who was vastly inferior to Sexton in every facet of the game apart from kicking.

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 11:07PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Except for ROG of course who was vastly inferior to Sexton in every facet of the game apart from kicking.

And if that was true... nobody would argue...
yet...the Irish....and world's greatest players still side with Rog... think I'll bow. to their knowledge instead of yours if you don't mind.

aloooof · 18-05-2018 11:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If we're including foreigners then Thorn is in the second row with O'Connell.

Every time I think I've finalised the list I remember someone else. I'd love to see this done comprehensively, would make an interesting 23.

Hayes wouldn't make the A team - sorry, not sorry thomond.

I'd imagine part of the reason Thorn isn't there is because he was only with Leinster for 3 months. Generally the players have to have some sort of longevity at the club to be considered for these type of lists.

And completely ignoring my above point, I'd have Keith Wood at hooker.

degsie · 18-05-2018 11:12PM

Which TV channels covering this? Not in the title unfortunately

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 11:12PM

degsie wrote: »

Which TV channels covering this? Not in the title unfortunately

Tg4 and sky

stephen_n · 18-05-2018 11:17PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

And if that was true... nobody would argue...
yet...the Irish....and world's greatest players still side with Rog... think I'll bow. to their knowledge instead of yours if you don't mind.

Quinny and Luke? Wow we really are elevating players now :pac:

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 11:19PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Quinny and Luke? Wow we really are elevating players now :pac:

Hey... it's not the first time Luke has been elevated well beyond his talents now is it.

stephen_n · 18-05-2018 11:20PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

Hey... it's not the first time Luke has been elevated well beyond his talents now is it.

Yep I heard someone refer to him as a journalist.

Clegg · 18-05-2018 11:25PM

I fear I'm going to reopen the tired debate again but here we go. People look back favourably on RoG because he was the 10 of the first Irish side in about 4 generations that was actually any good. But with Ireland I'd say he only had 3 or 4 good years.

Post WC 03 to pre WC 07 he was a very good 10. But he was disastrous in that 07 World Cup. Everyone was but he was particularly bad. His performance against Argentina was one of the worst I can remember. Obviously he's remembered for the drop goal in 09. But I think that swept all his poor performances during that 6N under the rug. I don't know exactly what happened to him in 07 but there was a definite downward trend in his performance.

We were crying out for a new 10 and Sexton was parachuted in as soon as possible. Took him a few years to settle as an international 10 but he hasn't looked back since. He's simply a more rounded player. No weaknesses in his game.

Zzippy · 18-05-2018 11:29PM

Ah it's not a good old-fashioned Leinster-Munster build up thread without a ROG v Sexton dick measuring contest.

I'm getting all nostalgic now...

Herpes Free Since03 · 18-05-2018 11:35PM

Clegg wrote: »

I fear I'm going to reopen the tired debate again but here we go. People look back favourably on RoG because he was the 10 of the first Irish side in about 4 generations that was actually any good. But with Ireland I'd say he only had 3 or 4 good years.

Post WC 03 to pre WC 07 he was a very good 10. But he was disastrous in that 07 World Cup. Everyone was but he was particularly bad. His performance against Argentina was one of the worst I can remember. Obviously he's remembered for the drop goal in 09. But I think that swept all his poor performances during that 6N under the rug. I don't know exactly what happened to him in 07 but there was a definite downward trend in his performance.

We were crying out for a new 10 and Sexton was parachuted in as soon as possible. Took him a few years to settle as an international 10 but he hasn't looked back since. He's simply a more rounded player. No weaknesses in his game.

Right... Sexton plays badly.."oh he's carrying an injury..he sat out the captain's run"....
He tackles like a Glasgow hooligan...head first
He has definitely cracked under pressure and mouths off to the ref.... but..no... not a weakness to be seen!

You put it up to Rog and he'd carry the team on his back consistently... Sexton hasn't the same fortitude or strength of character...
He's good... but not Rog good ..and never will be... and he probably knows it this late in his career... forever the apprentice.

stephen_n · 18-05-2018 11:38PM

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

Right... Sexton plays badly.."oh he's carrying an injury..he sat out the captain's run"....
He tackles like a Glasgow hooligan...head first
He has definitely cracked under pressure and mouths off to the ref.... but..no... not a weakness to be seen!

You put it up to Rog and he'd carry the team on his back consistently... Sexton hasn't the same fortitude or strength of character...
He's good... but not Rog good ..and never will be... and he probably knows it this late in his career... forever the apprentice.

:pac::pac:

Leinster v Munster Semi final Build up thread

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