8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

SusieBlue wrote: »

Just saw a post on facebook by the president of the Christian Solidarity Party.

It reads:


obstreperous
adjective
noisy and difficult to control.

I mean....Where to even start with that pile of crap? Are the No side happy to stand behind a campaign that is proudly declaring they are setting out to target women they deem to be difficult to control?
Disgusting, disgraceful, misogynistic comments. No place in 2018 for rubbish like that.

I used to shop in Ashbourne where he lives and met him on the marriage equality campaign. He is a nasty piece of work, he'd get right up in your face and shout abuse, he scared my five yr old and made him cry. I notice he is only interested in women, no men in repeal gear being targeted? Says it all. I'm going to wear my Repeal jumper and hope I meet him again.

eviltwin wrote: »

Anyway two more weeks of this ****. I hope everyone stays safe and keeps their cool.

I think the worst is yet to come.

Gintonious wrote: »

I think the worst is yet to come.

I fear you may be right

So are any of you Pro Life crowd willing to take it in the bum to reduce abortiosn and save lives!?

Whats a few mins of ass discomfort if it saves a potential life?

Or perhaps those little soon to be human lives are not worth a bit of discomfort, haemorrhoids, anal bleeding, swelling, slight incontinence/seepage (according to a gay friend and a mother I know )!!

Now imagine if it was a wHOLE nine months of discomfort you were being asked to put up with to save a life?

Is the potential life worth nine months of your discomfort and pain?

#PROLIFEINYOURBUM

frag420 wrote: »

Firstly no contraception in 100% foolproof, you know this so stop being obtuse!!

Now to your second point on responsibility...

There has been a lot of talk about responsibilities around enjoying sex, if you play then you pay regardless if you used all available protection.

We all know that sex is natural, its there for pleasure and its there for procreation! Personally I use it for pleasure and its damn awesome, love it!!

With this in mind would the Pro-Life lobby be in favour of promoting ANAL SEX as a way for people to enjoy sex without the fear of getting pregnant?

So I ask you Cournioni, Thee Glitz, RobertKK and others...would you help promote ANAL SEX as a valid PRO LIFE way to decrease abortions in Ireland while not ruining peoples sex lives!?

Now you may think I am joking here but I am deadly serious, should you not be promoting and advocating alternative ways for people to enjoy sex instead of trying to curtail their natural carnal urges, if not for you then for the potential lives that could be saved!

One in the stink instead of the pink could be your motto, you could chant it outside the maternity hospitals!

#PROLIFEINYOURBUM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I googled John Clerkin... here's what I found: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/selling-condoms-1.44115

That guy is seriously unhinged.

frag420 wrote: »

Whats a few mins of ass discomfort if it saves a potential life?

Hmmm. Get pregnant, get piles.

Practise Anal Abstinence™, get piles...

I've decided to remain neutral in the third Irish civil war. I'm non religious, bi sexual and centre left. However I only think abortion should be used in extreme circumstances. The posters say "it's my body"- that's a fallacy. There's two bodies at play.( Also contraception is cheap and plentiful) If a woman is raped, or if her life is in any form of danger then my all means abort. Otherwise just give the kid up for adoption. I will say however that some elements of the pro life side do themselves no favours whatsoever. Either way I won't celebrate if it's a yes vote or a no vote. Current termination laws need to be more flexible but I am not comfortable with the new amendment being presented to us either.

Gintonious wrote: »

...I like being right...but not in this case.

"You're very naughty"

Diogenesthedog wrote: »

I've decided to remain neutral in the third Irish civil war. I'm non religious, bi sexual and centre left. However I only think abortion should be used in extreme circumstances. The posters say "it's my body"- that's a fallacy. There's two bodies at play.( Also contraception is cheap and plentiful) If a woman is raped, or if her life is in any form of danger then my all means abort. Otherwise just give the kid up for adoption. I will say however that some elements of the pro life side do themselves no favours whatsoever. Either way I won't celebrate if it's a yes vote or a no vote. Current termination laws need to be more flexible but I am not comfortable with the new amendment being presented to us either.

Contraception is plentiful, not always cheap, and of absolutely no use to someone who is already pregnant.

And again, why should my wife, or your girlfriend, or someone else's daughter have to be READY to die, before treatment can be given?

Diogenesthedog wrote: »

The posters say "it's my body"- that's a fallacy. There's two bodies at play.

If it's a separate body, then there should be no problem separating it, right?

( Also contraception is cheap and plentiful)

Oh dear.
Cheap is not free. Availability in Ireland is far behind where it should be, some doctors still refuse to prescribe the pill and some pharmacists still refuse to sell contraception.
Every form of contraception has a failure rate, a woman is fertile for 35+ years, 420 potentially fertilised eggs, even a 1% contraception failure rate could mean four unwanted pregnancies in a lifetime.

If a woman is raped, or if her life is in any form of danger then my all means abort.

So a foetus has a right to life, except when it doesn't. The circumstances of its conception make no difference to the foetus, if you believe abortion is wrong then aborting a foetus conceived in rape is still wrong.
The 'no abortion except in rape' thing is only a way for people to salve their own consciences about the suffering of SOME women while simultaneously being quite okay with the law inflicting suffering on OTHER women.

Otherwise just give the kid up for adoption.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Anyone who says "JUST give the kid up for adoption" is completely ignorant of the realities of adoption in Ireland, and I suspect ignorant of the realities of pregnancy and birth and what it does to women's bodies, too.

Current termination laws need to be more flexible but I am not comfortable with the new amendment being presented to us either.

All the 'new amendment' does is allow the Oireachtas to legislate. We are not voting on what any future legislation should be.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Really can't understand the offensive posters tactic from the No camp- is there really a belief there that this will be an effective approach?

I believe these posters are not intended to convert Yes voters - they have nothing which can do that. They are intended to motivate No voters and sicken people who are on the fence until they are so fed up they tune out.

When I look upon seamen, men of science and philosophers, man is the wisest of all beings; when I look upon priests and prophets nothing is as contemptible as man.

I think this is one of my favourite Diogenes quote.

Seems he was onto something, and that was 2400 years ago.

He did like ****ting though.