8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Annasopra · 12-05-2018 09:04AM

RobertKK wrote: »

People can change their mind, but politicians like Simon Harris - he wrote a letter to the pro-life movement asking for support in his election campaign, he said he is prolife and would oppose any legislation on abortion and to help him get elected so he can make this a reality.
Would you trust Simon Harris after that?

Yes. He was willing to educate himself on the issue.

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 09:05AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Think twitter already had a ban.

Facebook now the only avenue, if from an Irish organisation. Did have a poster claim msm are totally biased on one side, think they meant msn (guilty of typos myself a lot) but no indication as to what side their biased.
Same poster wanted to know if the journal.ie was registered with sipo

Nah, MainStream Media.

Its also clear that poster knows some words, but not what they mean.

12-05-2018 09:10AM

pjohnson wrote: »

McGurk made the The Very Last Word this morning

Was that his whinefest about Google?

12-05-2018 09:16AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Nah, MainStream Media.

Its also clear that poster knows some words, but not what they mean.

Ah that old chestnut.

It was in response to a post I made about Google and Facebook, so assumed in the logical flow of the discussion (and as a techie) that we were still talking digital platforms.

Explains why I didn't get an answer from them re is it a typo and is the liberal registered with sipo.

Bridge93 · 12-05-2018 09:16AM

I still don't get the argument, can someone explain the issue? Even if google were seen to be taking sides why is that not allowed? Can companies not make up their own minds? Why would they have to be neutral when thousands of companies are stating their opinions?
The fact they are quite literally doing the dictionary definition of staying neutral is another thing

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-05-2018 09:26AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Think twitter already had a ban.

Facebook now the only avenue, if from an Irish organisation. Did have a poster claim msm are totally biased on one side, think they meant msn (guilty of typos myself a lot) but no indication as to what side their biased.
Same poster wanted to know if the journal.ie was registered with sipo

MSN = main stream media, it's thier go to whinge that the media are against them and controlled by the government/Soros type shades characters/lizard people etc

12-05-2018 09:27AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes. He was willing to educate himself on the issue.

Has anyone seen the email he is said to have sent, as in have the PLC published it?

12-05-2018 09:32AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

I still don't get the argument, can someone explain the issue? Even if google were seen to be taking sides why is that not allowed? Can companies not make up their own minds? Why would they have to be neutral when thousands of companies are stating their opinions?
The fact they are quite literally doing the dictionary definition of staying neutral is another thing

Your talking about John McGuirk and pro life groups logic doesn't come into play here.

NuMarvel · 12-05-2018 10:02AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Think twitter already had a ban.

Yeah, they confirmed that a few months ago.

Twitter have told us they will not be accepting ads for this referendum, as the subject matter violates their internal policies

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/social-media-ads-must-not-be-used-to-subvert-abortion-referendum-1.3417037

NuMarvel · 12-05-2018 10:04AM

pjohnson wrote: »

McGurk made the The Very Last Word this morning

He made the IT's radio review as well: A livid John McGuirk has all the nuance of a grenade attack.

:D

Bridge93 · 12-05-2018 10:14AM

So Facebook accidentally ran a test system yesterday in Ireland and Canada which allowed users to see where accounts were managed from.

81% of accounts were run solely from Ireland on the Yes side

37% were run solely from Ireland on the No side

Edit: article is on The a Journal for whoever wants to read it but the most notable part of it is that the Save the Eighth page is managed by 14 people, none of whom are based here. They all come from the UK, Hungary and two unidentified countries

12-05-2018 10:18AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

He made the IT's radio review as well: A livid John McGuirk has all the nuance of a grenade attack. :D

Would have said it was more like spreading slurry, causes a stink and if not done right can cause death.

January · 12-05-2018 10:19AM

Heads of Bill for the proposed legislation if the 8th is repealed.

https://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/General-Scheme-for-Publication.pdf

Igotadose · 12-05-2018 10:20AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

So Facebook accidentally ran a test system yesterday in Ireland and Canada which allowed users to see where accounts were managed from.

81% of accounts were run solely from Ireland on the Yes side

37% were run solely from Ireland on the No side

yay. Any chance for a link to this? Very interesting data.

Bridge93 · 12-05-2018 10:22AM

Igotadose wrote: »

yay. Any chance for a link to this? Very interesting data.

Facebook feature shows official Eighth Amendment campaign pages are being managed by accounts registered abroad
http://jrnl.ie/4007469

Paranoid Bob · 12-05-2018 10:25AM

January wrote: »

Heads of Bill for the proposed legislation if the 8th is repealed.

https://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/General-Scheme-for-Publication.pdf

AH Mods; is there any chance this could be made sticky? Maybe added to post 1 on this thread?

January · 12-05-2018 10:27AM

Report my post with a request to do that as it could get lost in the sea before the AH mods see your request here.

pleas advice · 12-05-2018 10:27AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Where are you getting all these figures from?

Google, I presume it's the same abortion pills in use worldwide, but the 93% effective at 10 weeks figure was from the US.
I read yesterday that 82 or 83% of abortions in Scotland are medical, that was in 2016. I didn't see how many were carried out before or at 12 week's, but it'd be around 92% if it's similar to England and Wales, that's 10% of abortions before 12 weeks being surgical

B0jangles · 12-05-2018 10:32AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Facebook feature shows official Eighth Amendment campaign pages are being managed by accounts registered abroad
http://jrnl.ie/4007469

From the article:

Isn't SaveThe8th one of the biggest voices in the retain campaign?

And it's entirely managed from outside Ireland, sometimes from places Facebook can't even identify?

How is that not incredibly shady?

Ave Sodalis · 12-05-2018 10:33AM

I do wonder with the Facebook foreign advert ban, how does thay affect groups like Pro-Life Longford which is being run by an American?

goz83 · 12-05-2018 10:35AM

So, I am the person whose 11 year old was exposed to canvassers on Wednesday evening. I spoke to my son and asked what was on the leaflet before he burned it. He remembered the website address was www.rosa.ie

Well, any ROSA supporters, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Seems i'm not the only one complaining about their horrible tactics. Such a hateful bunch of people from my point of view. Their website is a freak show. "DIY Abortion"? WTF!!!

Thanks for all those with supportive comments. I am not smearing any other group on either side.

January · 12-05-2018 10:40AM

goz83 wrote: »

So, I am the person whose 11 year old was exposed to canvassers on Wednesday evening. I spoke to my son and asked what was on the leaflet before he burned it. He remembered the website address was www.rosa.ie

Well, any ROSA supporters, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Seems i'm not the only one complaining about their horrible tactics. Such a hateful bunch of people from my point of view. Their website is a freak show. "DIY Abortion"? WTF!!!

Thanks for all those with supportive comments. I am not smearing any other group on either side.

Thanks for the update that it wasn't actually a Together for Yes campaigner.

If you click the link on DIY abortion though it gives information on how to import pills from reputable sources such as Women on Web and Women Help. It's not an over reaction, up to five women a day are doing this at present.

They should not have spoken to your 11 year old daughter though. That I stand by.

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 10:54AM

goz83 wrote: »

So, I am the person whose 11 year old was exposed to canvassers on Wednesday evening. I spoke to my son and asked what was on the leaflet before he burned it. He remembered the website address was www.rosa.ie

Well, any ROSA supporters, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Seems i'm not the only one complaining about their horrible tactics. Such a hateful bunch of people from my point of view. Their website is a freak show. "DIY Abortion"? WTF!!!

Thanks for all those with supportive comments. I am not smearing any other group on either side.

Talking to your 11 year old without consideration or authorisation isn't on, and is as bad as those
No posters targeting schools.

Any chance you could lodge a complaint with them?

nozzferrahhtoo · 12-05-2018 10:58AM

goz83 wrote: »

"DIY Abortion"? WTF!!!

Unclear what your issue is here. Are you objecting to what they call it? Or what they mean by it?

What they call it is not exactly pleasant, but I am not seeing why it should be either. What would you prefer after all? Do you think it should sound like sweetness and light?

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 10:59AM

pleas advice wrote: »

Google, I presume it's the same abortion pills in use worldwide, but the 93% effective at 10 weeks figure was from the US.
I read yesterday that 82 or 83% of abortions in Scotland are medical, that was in 2016. I didn't see how many were carried out before or at 12 week's, but it'd be around 92% if it's similar to England and Wales, that's 10% of abortions before 12 weeks being surgical

Links.

You know the drill, you make the claim, you post the source.

Wrongway1985 · 12-05-2018 11:00AM

Anyone hear the woman on liveline yesterday? Voting No, Why? Herself and husband can't have kids of their own and would love to adopt would do anything to have a child, her sister actually even had FFA and she said something should be done for the likes of her but claims friends had terminations for no good reason and it breaks her heart. Asked whether she discussed with her sister she said tension on the subject, I'm sure there is! Seems this woman wanted forced pregnancies to increase chances of adoption and that was more important than what her own sister had to go through.

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 11:09AM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Anyone hear the woman on liveline yesterday? Voting No, Why? Herself and husband can't have kids of their own and would love to adopt would do anything to have a child, her sister actually even had FFA and she said something should be done for the likes of her but claims friends had terminations for no good reason and it breaks her heart. Asked whether she discussed with her sister she said tension on the subject, I'm sure there is! Seems this woman wanted forced pregnancies to increase chances of adoption and that was more important than what her own sister had to go through.

No good reason = I don't approve of that reason. I'm sure to the person having the termination, it was a good reason.

Its also a problem with some people, their desire for children clouds their judgement, and they can't understand why someone might not want to go through with a pregnancy.

B0jangles · 12-05-2018 11:10AM

goz83 wrote: »

So, I am the person whose 11 year old was exposed to canvassers on Wednesday evening. I spoke to my son and asked what was on the leaflet before he burned it. He remembered the website address was www.rosa.ie

Well, any ROSA supporters, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Seems i'm not the only one complaining about their horrible tactics. Such a hateful bunch of people from my point of view. Their website is a freak show. "DIY Abortion"? WTF!!!

Thanks for all those with supportive comments. I am not smearing any other group on either side.

That's not on at all - can you contact them directly in your area and tell them that one of their canvassers is going way over the line?

splinter65 · 12-05-2018 11:15AM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Unclear what your issue is here. Are you objecting to what they call it? Or what they mean by it?

What they call it is not exactly pleasant, but I am not seeing why it should be either. What would you prefer after all? Do you think it should sound like sweetness and light?

Her 11 year old son doesn’t need to know or have an opinion on it one way or the other.

January · 12-05-2018 11:17AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Her 11 year old son doesn’t need to know or have an opinion on it one way or the other.

11 year old daughter was spoken to at the door, not told about DIY abortions but told that men are oppressing women. It's not on at all, don't get me wrong but nobody told the 11 year old about DIY abortions.

I would contact ROSA to voice my displeasure though too.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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