8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

92 ℅ occurred before week 13 in 2016.

That doesn't make it right.

Yer Da sells Avon

RobertKK wrote: »

I suspect a former referendum chairman, a high court judge, European court of Justice know more about the law than either of us.

What are your views on Peter Boylan? An expert, who knows more about obstetrics than any of us. Experts can't agree with each other and therefore don't automatically deserve to be agreed with by the rest of us.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

That doesn't make it right.

Doesn't make it wrong, either.

If the law says a time, and 93% are well before that time, then what's the issue?

Overheal

JennyVin wrote: »

I did not say at any stage that the member mentioned 27 weeks. OTHER members did.

In fact, the member is still making the assertion



Are you still defending them now?? This thread is a sight to behold. It's quite something.

Don’t see what’s wrong with that; you choose to see no distinction between life-to-be and living breathing people. A fetus is not an infant. The minute it takes its first breath it is born and becomes as such.

pitifulgod

RobertKK wrote: »

That doesn't make it right.

Argue from that perspective so but don't be dishonest in your representation of the actual legislation. Cause that's what you are consistently doing in between every link dump that you think is a game changer...

pjohnson

RobertKK wrote: »

That doesn't make it right.

Whats your opinion on McGuirks fake orderly? Will you cite him as a reason to save the 8th?

RobertKK

pitifulgod wrote: »

Mary Robinson was the UN High Commissioner(far higher than simply being a barrister for it) of Human Rights and Mary McAleese was a professor of law, did loads for human rights. Both are opposed to the 8th. You're making out the proposed legislation is extreme. It's pretty moderate.

Why in the England and Wales is it under mental health that most abortions happen up to 24 weeks, when in Ireland it will be under no restrictions for 12 weeks...see Ireland is more liberal with abortion if Yes up to 12 weeks and similar to the England after that.
It is far from moderate or restrictive. We will have one of the most liberal abortion laws in Europe.

Yer Da sells Avon

RobertKK wrote: »

Why in the England and Wales is it under mental health that most abortions happen up to 24 weeks, when in Ireland it will be under no restrictions for 12 weeks...see Ireland is more liberal with abortion if Yes up to 12 weeks and similar to the England after that.
It is far from moderate or restrictive. We will have one of the most liberal abortion laws in Europe.

It won't affect you, just like marriage equality didn't.

RobertKK

pjohnson wrote: »

Whats your opinion on McGuirks fake orderly? Will you cite him as a reason to save the 8th?

Why are you asking me? Do I go around this thread asking people to answer random questions?
It would be like me asking you, what is your opinion on Bono and his championing of Aung San Suu Kyi. Will you cite his judgement as a high profile Yes supporter as a reason to repeal the 8th?

This referendum is bigger than anybody on either side.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

Why in the England and Wales is it under mental health that most abortions happen up to 24 weeks, when in Ireland it will be under no restrictions for 12 weeks...see Ireland is more liberal with abortion if Yes up to 12 weeks and similar to the England after that.
It is far from moderate or restrictive. We will have one of the most liberal abortion laws in Europe.

If most tend to happen around 12 weeks, 12 weeks is a good place to go.

Its not liberal, its sensible.

RobertKK

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It won't affect you, just like marriage equality didn't.

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

If most tend to happen around 12 weeks, 12 weeks is a good place to go.

Its not liberal, its sensible.

But it goes to 24 weeks say the legal experts.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

Why are you asking me? Do I go around this thread asking people to answer random questions?
It would be like me asking you, what is your opinion on Bono and his championing of Aung San Suu Kyi. Will you cite his judgement as a high profile Yes supporter as a reason to repeal the 8th?

This referendum is bigger than anybody on either side.

Its because we want to know what RobertKk thinks.

Not what RobertKK presents that someone said..

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

But it goes to 24 weeks say the legal experts.

Says some legal experts.

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

You could have done that with your female friends already.





This 2015 poster is pretty apt in this thread for pointing out more rank hypocrisy from the same 'no' side of the argument.

bootpaws

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

You could've done that before anyway if you had any female friends.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

I married my best friend, and the financial reasons were definitely discussed.

I'm straight though, so I was allowed to.

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Its because we want to know what RobertKk thinks.

Not what RobertKK presents that someone said..

It doesn't matter what I think, though some people seem to care!!!

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

It doesn't matter what I think, though some people seem to care!!!

It matters to me, I'd like to understand you.

Being honest, I've been really cunty to you. I know that. You frustrate me. I want to what you think, and why you think that way. Then I could tailor my argument.

Edit: I, and countless others, have told you how the 8th impacts us. I want to know how the removal of it impacts you.

wexie

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

Yeah you can....but you don't HAVE to....

that means you have been given a CHOICE...

let that sink in for a bit

Overheal

RobertKK wrote: »

It doesn't matter what I think, though some people seem to care!!!

Then why are you here? Girl, bye.

NuMarvel

RobertKK wrote: »

What about a former chairman of the referendum commission?
A former high court judge and former judge on the European court of Justice?
A Barrister for the UN High Commission on Human rights?

That's who I was talking about...

RobertKK wrote: »

One of the persons who signed the document said she would have voted Yes if it had been more restrictive but she can't vote for what the government is proposing.
The 8th amendment could have been amended for the hard cases, instead of what is on the cards.

If I had a euro for everytime someone said they'd vote Yes if...., I'd be a rich man.

It's telling that she also doesn't seem to have set set out what and how limits would work in the constitution.

RobertKK wrote: »

The government didn't even try....

These lawyers haven't tried either, and they're the ones that say it can be done. At least the government can point to the Assembly, the Committee and the AG all saying it's a bad idea.

There is no sense in keeping a bad law because someone says there's a better option but can't actually come up with it. For all the talk of not trusting politicians, I definitely don't trust lawyers who are trying to pull a fast one.

NuMarvel

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

You're assuming he'd say yes.

Besides, in terms of financial reasons, a civil partnership would have given you the same benefits. So no, marriage equality didn't have any effect on you.

pitifulgod

RobertKK wrote: »

Why in the England and Wales is it under mental health that most abortions happen up to 24 weeks, when in Ireland it will be under no restrictions for 12 weeks...see Ireland is more liberal with abortion if Yes up to 12 weeks and similar to the England after that.
It is far from moderate or restrictive. We will have one of the most liberal abortion laws in Europe.

The thing is, similar arguments were made by you and others in relation to allowing suicidality as grounds for protection of life bill. Why should we believe the boy who cries wolf in relation to everything? I'm still waiting to see negative consequences from marriage referendum that you ranted about btw.

SusieBlue

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

What way did you vote in the same sex marriage referendum, Robert?

Martina1991

RobertKK wrote:

It doesn't matter what I think, though some people seem to care!!!

It doesn't matter what you think?
It does matter. It matters to me why the anti choice people will vote no because it could very well impact my life.

Many people are pro choice because this actually affects our lives. Unlike yours.

Why should your opinion and those of the anti choice side determine what happens to our maternity care.

crustybla

beefburrito wrote: »

Fck em, I'm OK Jack

I got a load of bollix thrown at my post, savages out justifying I am a hypocrite...

No abortion in Ireland is no.

In extreme medical conditions it's right to save the mother of the pregnancy is endangering her life and the baby won't survive.

In all Fckn fairness, if the baby is able to survive it is possible to try and save the kid, and operate on the mum, if her life is in danger the kid could possibly survive....

A dog with a mallet up his hole knows that aborting a healthy child from a healthy pregnancy is wrong....

Ah lads, fcek this for a game of soldiers, I suddenly see the light. I'm certainly gonna vote no now. I've done a complete u-turn. Can't believe I ever entertained the idea of a yes vote! So much sense in one post!

spookwoman

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

Good for you, that's your choice.
A lot of people don't marry because they cannot afford to because they live in poverty. Others don't marry because it can put them into serious debt. Others don't marry because they choose not to.
Just like many people cannot afford to have children and other just don't want them.

pjohnson

NuMarvel wrote: »

You're assuming he'd say yes.

Besides, in terms of financial reasons, a civil partnership would have given you the same benefits. So no, marriage equality didn't have any effect on you.

He probably wouldn't be given any choice but to accept.

Yer Da sells Avon

Ah, there they are.