8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

spookwoman

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah, there they are.

I think you could nearly call them the Waterford version of BIFFO's. All of them are from the country and I know 1 of them I regard and an ignorant f***** after he blocked me in one day. he was too lazy to park up further and not cause an obstruction.

goz83

January wrote: »

Can you please either here, or by PM, tell me what part of the country you are in. Together for Yes canvassers are told that if no adult is home, we leave a leaflet and don't discuss with underage people as they cannot vote. That doesn't sound like a Together for Yes leaflet either.

Will send you a pm.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I can tell you for a fact that was not a Together for Yes canvasser or leaflet.

Please get hold of a copy of the leaflet from your neighbours if possible, and inform T4Y of what is going on. Edited to add: T4Y will know exactly which houses in your area they called to, who called, and when, it is all written down and sent back to HQ. I am sure they will tell you they were nowhere near your house at the time. T4Y do not allow inexperienced canvassers to call to houses alone and do not speak to minors.

I smell either a false-flag operation or a VERY overzealous, naive student who needs a good dose of cop-on administered, stat.

By the sounds of the contents of the leaflet, I would have a better chance going through the bins to find one.

The canvassers weren't students either. My wife saw them when we were leaving. 2 women and a man....they were all wearing white coats/vests.

gctest50

Might explain some of them wandering around like headless chickens panicking about the world collapsing if the 8th is repealed

A new study looking at tens of thousands of GP patient records has found almost one in five people over the age of 55 had a mental disorder

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/study-fifth-of-over-55s-have-mental-disorder-470462.html

Yer Da sells Avon

spookwoman

For the whingers giving out about facebook and youtube not doing their ads

https://twitter.com/C_Crockford/status/994897403479232512

https://twitter.com/electionlit/status/994920673515622402

https://twitter.com/C_Crockford/status/994911767217233920

bootpaws

spookwoman wrote: »

I think you could nearly call them the Waterford version of BIFFO's. All of them are from the country and I know 1 of them I regard and an ignorant f***** after he blocked me in one day. he was to lazy to park up further and not cause an obstruction.

Too lazy to park up further yet I'm sure he'll insist carrying an unwanted pregnancy for 9 months is a matter of convenience. :rolleyes:

spookwoman

bootpaws wrote: »

Too lazy to park up further yet I'm sure he'll insist carrying an unwanted pregnancy for 9 months is a matter of convenience. :rolleyes:

I wont say who it is but they look like they are 9 months pregnant

spookwoman

From 39min in on WLRFM discussion about that lot above calling for a not vote. Jason Murphy is one of them

https://soundcloud.com/wlrfmwaterford/deise-today-friday-11th-may-2018?in=wlrfmwaterford/sets/deise-today-with-eamon-keane

AnneFrank

Sofiztikated wrote: »

The wonderful thing about legislation is that it can be changed, if found to be poor.

Exactly , vote no and get a proper vote on Ffa, rape and the life of a woman only, and not abortion on demand and most of the no's including me, would be yes

Martina1991

AnneFrank wrote:

Exactly , vote no and get a proper vote on Ffa, rape and the life of a woman only, and not abortion on demand and most of the no's including me, would be yes

A No vote means nothing changes.

There would be no possibility for abortions in cases of rape or FFA.

amcalester

AnneFrank wrote: »

Exactly , vote no and get a proper vote on Ffa, rape and the life of a woman only, and not abortion on demand and most of the no's including me, would be yes

If there is a No vote there can be no legislation for anything.

You know this and are being extremely dishonest to suggest otherwise.

Sofiztikated

AnneFrank wrote: »

Exactly , vote no and get a proper vote on Ffa, rape and the life of a woman only, and not abortion on demand and most of the no's including me, would be yes

Yeah, no.

Voting no changes nothing. Seriously. Even if abortion is off the table, repeal it.

NuMarvel

AnneFrank wrote: »

Exactly , vote no and get a proper vote on Ffa, rape and the life of a woman only, and not abortion on demand and most of the no's including me, would be yes

That's up there with thinking we'll get a referendum to reform the Seanad. Spoilers: we won't. Similarly, we won't get a vote just on FFA, rape, etc, because it's been truly established that it's not possible to provide for this in the constitution.

But if it is a No vote, are you going to campaign for this "proper vote"? Are you going to organise marches, fundraisers, lobbying, and everything that would need to be done to get politicians to discuss this "proper vote"? Have you spoken to lawyers about how this "proper vote" could be properly put into the Constitution?

Or are you just going to sit back and leave someone else do it, and be unconcerned about the harm the 8th would continue to do after you voted to keep it in place?

spookwoman

AnneFrank or AnthonyFrank is not going to listen they know the 8th needs to be removed before they can legislate for FFA etc.

Just had a look back and yesterday they brought up the Hippocratic oath do no harm which was shot down. In the last thread 8th amendment referendum part 2 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1 21/04/2018 AF was on about the do no harm thing and January told them back then there was no such oath.
They are arguing for the sake of arguing.

amcalester

spookwoman wrote: »

AnneFrank or AnthonyFrank is not going to listen they know the 8th needs to be removed before they can legislate for FFA etc.

Just had a look back and yesterday they brought up the Hippocratic oath do no harm which was shot down. In the last thread 8th amendment referendum part 2 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1 21/04/2018 AF was on about the do no harm thing and January told them back then there was no such oath.
They are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Probably had to take a break from being killed/abused on Call of Duty.

gctest50

b!tches be thinking they are James Harrison cos they vote No


https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/final-donation-for-man-whose-blood-helped-save-2-4-million-babies-20180511-p4zerp.html


James Harrison is extraordinary. His blood has helped save the lives of 2.4 million babies

Overheal

AnneFrank wrote: »

Exactly , vote no and get a proper vote on Ffa, rape and the life of a woman only, and not abortion on demand and most of the no's including me, would be yes

Illogical. The referendum has nothing to do with abortion on demand, or rape, or any of these things. It’s about repealing the 8th. A vote to repeal does not automatically install free for all abortion in Ireland. That requires additional legislation to be enacted. That’s like saying you’re against appealing prohibition because you don’t like moonshine, forgetting that you can still have laws that prohibit moonshine.

Zubeneschamali

RobertKK wrote: »

I can now marry my best friend for financial reasons :cool:

Of all the stupid arguments from the last referendum debate, this is the ultimate, the most stupid one of all.

The No side got so confused that they ended up outraged that two men who are best friends might marry one another and then not have the bumsex! It is no surprise to find that Robert is still confused years later.

RobertKK

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Of all the stupid arguments from the last referendum debate, this is the ultimate, the most stupid one of all.

The No side got so confused that they ended up outraged that two men who are best friends might marry one another and then not have the bumsex! It is no surprise to find that Robert is still confused years later.

http://www.thejournal.ie/marriage-tax-reasons-3766958-Dec2017/

THE TWO MEN who hit the headlines after announcing they would be getting married for tax reasons tied the knot in a ceremony today in Dublin.

I don't care what sex people have, maybe you view it as an issue since you brought it up.

RobertKK

Overheal wrote: »

Illogical. The referendum has nothing to do with abortion on demand, or rape, or any of these things. It’s about repealing the 8th. A vote to repeal does not automatically install free for all abortion in Ireland. That requires additional legislation to be enacted. That’s like saying you’re against appealing prohibition because you don’t like moonshine, forgetting that you can still have laws that prohibit moonshine.

Wrong, then why were the debates about it in the Dail committee about abortion and they then came with a recommendation to repeal and introduce unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks and then propose that and legisation after 12 weeks up to 24 weeks similar to UK abortion laws?

The referendum is happening because of the recommendation for unrestricted abortion, and for that to happen a referendum was needed.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

Wrong, then why were the debates about it in the Dail committee about abortion and they then came with a recommendation to repeal and introduce unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks and then propose that and legisation after 12 weeks up to 24 weeks similar to UK abortion laws?

The referendum is happening because of the recommendation for unrestricted abortion, and for that to happen a referendum was needed.

The referendum is happening because the 8th is a horrendous piece of text.

Annasopra

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/medicsfor8th/status/993558449219883008?s=21

This healthcare speel for Yes doesn’t add up. Having abortion widely available doesn’t lead to better health outcomes.

The healthcare issues related to the 8th are not purely about abortion as you well know. The 8th meant doctors took a woman to court to force her to have a caesarean against her wishes. The 8th can often cause huge healthcare problems for pregnant women with cancer. The 8th means women who go abroad to have their child a fatal fetal anomaly induced has medics who more or less cant communicate with each other. The 8th means women who are diagnosed with a fatal fetal anomaly have to be legally advised of adoption as an option.

Seriously educate yourself on the 8th and healthcare.

Annasopra

RobertKK wrote: »

It was said that if the No side now loses by a small amount that Google could legitimately be blamed as a foreign influence in that loss given they knew the No side had a big online campaign on their platform unlike Yes and the decision by Google to stop Irish campaigners using their platform is foreign influence.

Basically the no side want to use online advertising in a manipulative brexittrumpesque way and are now pissed off they cant.

Annasopra

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Because the no side have endless money.

Annasopra

pleas advice wrote: »

The abortion pills are only 93% effective at 10 weeks, and the effectiveness drops off after that. You can be given a stronger dose, but I'd imagine the majority of abortions between 10 to 12 weeks would be surgical, given it's 100% effective.
So that could be somewhere around 1000 surgical abortions per year

Where are you getting all these figures from?

Annasopra

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He's a charmer, all right:

LIBERTAS’S main election spindoctor has described the party's failed Dublin candidate as “a psychotic bitch”. Press officer John McGuirk has taken a parting shot at the demoralised party, saying that Caroline Simons was the “worst candidate ever”.

Still twitter pals with Declan Ganley, though, retweeting each others foaming denunciation of Google wanting nothing to do with them.

I reckon they will throw bilions at twitter ads now

Annasopra

RobertKK wrote: »

Why are humans lives considered a problem?
Should all human lives that are considered a 'problem' be terminated?

Why are womens lives collateral damage?

pjohnson

McGurk made the The Very Last Word this morning

Annasopra

The Floyd p wrote: »

I'm not trying to stir anything, more just looking for clarity on one aspect of this debate.

Where are certain pro-life campaigners getting this 6 month time scale from? Has it been mentioned anywhere by any official body or is it speculation?

Its the no campaign trying to muddy the waters through shock tactics

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fact-check-will-abortion-be-legalised-up-to-the-sixth-month-of-pregnancy-1.3488418?mode=amp


http://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-six-months-3975235-Apr2018/

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I reckon they will throw bilions at twitter ads now

Think twitter already had a ban.

Facebook now the only avenue, if from an Irish organisation. Did have a poster claim msm are totally biased on one side, think they meant msn (guilty of typos myself a lot) but no indication as to what side their biased.
Same poster wanted to know if the journal.ie was registered with sipo