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whisky_galore · 11-05-2018 9:43am #1

Poor oul' fella falls down stairs, shur God love us - ka-ching!

While Mr Morgan had inadvertently carried parcels in both hands, the judge ruled it still did not amount to contributory negligence on his part in view of the absence of specific training.

"This accident was reasonably foreseeable and the ESB had given no specific training on collection and delivery of post," the judge said.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-who-fell-at-work-awarded-110000-after-not-getting-specific-training-in-the-task-of-collecting-post-842136.html

Doctors room ghost · 11-05-2018 9:46am

Country is fukd.you have to be trained now in work how to walk cos if you fall and you weren’t trained how to walk they are responsible for your braindead actions.

beertons · 11-05-2018 9:48am

Some people just don't get embarrassed.

my3cents · 11-05-2018 9:52am

I read that the main factor was the stairs. If they aren't right then accidents will happen so ESB's fault.

alchemist33 · 11-05-2018 9:52am

How did he "inadvertently" carry parcels in both hands? Did one of them just fall from the sky and land in his hand?

enricoh · 11-05-2018 9:59am

When yer on 350k a year like the judge 110k actually seems reasonable!
More health and safety training now required for companies as a result of this judge. More costs onto companies = higher prices for consumers.

Still no sign of Ireland cutting whiplash payouts like the UK did to 500stg. Too many snouts in the trough

Graces7 · 11-05-2018 10:01am

my3cents wrote: »

I read that the main factor was the stairs. If they aren't right then accidents will happen so ESB's fault.

They were apparently wet. Hence the fall.

suicide_circus · 11-05-2018 10:01am

This is literally evil.

LirW · 11-05-2018 10:04am

He got more awarded than my house is worth wtf

Gravelly · 11-05-2018 10:10am

Ms Bronagh O'Hanlon found that Terence Morgan who had worked with the ESB for about 38 years did not get specific training in the task of collecting post which he had performed over a number of years.

The above sentence sums up the utter ridiculousness of the compo culture. Yer man is collecting post (hardly mine-clearing levels of danger) for decades, and he can sue because nobody thought "You know what, we should run a training course for that genius that collects the letters, he's only being doing it for a lifetime, and he might not yet know about the whole carrying-an-envelope-while-walking thing that's so difficult"

Outlaw Pete · 11-05-2018 10:12am

The ferret.

'God bless Hooky Street. Viva Hooky Street'.

Grayson · 11-05-2018 10:17am

Gravelly wrote: »

Ms Bronagh O'Hanlon found that Terence Morgan who had worked with the ESB for about 38 years did not get specific training in the task of collecting post which he had performed over a number of years.

The above sentence sums up the utter ridiculousness of the compo culture. Yer man is collecting post (hardly mine-clearing levels of danger) for decades, and he can sue because nobody thought "You know what, we should run a training course for that genius that collects the letters, he's only being doing it for a lifetime, and he might not yet know about the whole carrying-an-envelope-while-walking thing that's so difficult"

But when they say post, they mean parcels in this case.
I worked as tech support for a computer company. We got manual handling training in case we had an accident lifting something.

I worked in supermarkets on a checkout and i got manual handling training.

Manual handling training is default in so many jobs and it's designed to make sure that people don't hurt themselves when lifting or carrying something.

If his employer could have prevented it by giving him training, or by creating a safer environment (the stairs in this case), then they bear some responsibility.

Hector Bellend · 11-05-2018 10:23am

On one hand you have contributory negligence.

There should be another category. Contributory retardation. You should lose more for this

RacoonQueen · 11-05-2018 10:24am

You can bet your life that he also got manual handling training in the ESB.

Gravelly · 11-05-2018 10:27am

Grayson wrote: »

But when they say post, they mean parcels in this case.
I worked as tech support for a computer company. We got manual handling training in case we had an accident lifting something.

I worked in supermarkets on a checkout and i got manual handling training.

Manual handling training is default in so many jobs and it's designed to make sure that people don't hurt themselves when lifting or carrying something.

If his employer could have prevented it by giving him training, or by creating a safer environment (the stairs in this case), then they bear some responsibility.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

You can bet your life that he also got manual handling training in the ESB.

Was just about to say what RacoonQueen said above - I'm familiar with the training culture in the ESB and there is absolutely no way anyone, in any department there, hasn't had manual handling training. This guy apparently needed someone to demonstrate how to walk and carry a few letters at the same time.

gerrybbadd · 11-05-2018 10:28am

This is among the most ridiculous of awards I have ever seen. 110K? For a sore shoulder. Sweet Jesus.

Doctors room ghost · 11-05-2018 10:31am

gerrybbadd wrote: »

This is among the most ridiculous of awards I have ever seen. 110K? For a sore shoulder. Sweet Jesus.

I hope every penny of it fattens him til he bursts

Gravelly · 11-05-2018 10:31am

alchemist33 wrote: »

How did he "inadvertently" carry parcels in both hands? Did one of them just fall from the sky and land in his hand?

A solicitor probably handed it to him.

TallGlass · 11-05-2018 10:34am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

You can bet your life that he also got manual handling training in the ESB.

According to this judge, you need training on how to collect the post.

So if I get a paper cut in work collecting some paper from the printer, I guess I could sue them as I haven't been trained in how to collect prints from the printer?

This is mental.

donegaLroad · 11-05-2018 10:35am

beertons wrote: »

Some people just don't get embarrassed.

thats part of the problem. No scruples whatsoever.

'I am entitled to claim because Im within my rights... and I'll put in for a big one while Im at it, sure everyone else is at it'.

whisky_galore · 11-05-2018 10:39am

TallGlass wrote: »

According to this judge, you need training on how to collect the post.

So if I get a paper cut in work collecting some paper from the printer, I guess I could sue them as I haven't been trained in how to collect prints from the printer?

This is mental.

This lad just needs to cruise into retirement on a nice pension, he's not going to go job-seeking afterwards and going through interview stages with a response like 'Oho, you're the lad that sued such-and-such, don't let the door hit you on the way out...'

(In case you'll sue us...)

Gravelly · 11-05-2018 10:40am

TallGlass wrote: »

According to this judge, you need training on how to collect the post.

So if I get a paper cut in work collecting some paper from the printer, I guess I could sue them as I haven't been trained in how to collect prints from the printer?

This is mental.

You wonder where this will end - will people now need to be trained to piss, drink coffee, complain, feign being busy, and read facebook in work as well.

Kivaro · 11-05-2018 10:42am

Less we forget, the amount he was "awarded" was €110,000.
€110,000! Imagine what "regular" people could do with that sort of money.
Apparently the mitigating factor in the €110,000 award was the fact the steps were wet. This is Ireland; we will have wet steps. What do companies need to do now? Have 2 people delivering packages with one of them wiping steps with a towel?

When you think about what's rotten in Ireland, the judiciary is high in the list. With the ridiculous leniency in their sentencing for repeat offenders; often letting them off with another warning that allows them to terrorise the community again, to the overly generous payments for compensation.

Judges heap misery on the law-abiding, contributing members of Irish society. The whole judicial system needs a overhaul, but that will not happen with the current crop of politicians.

Why do Irish people bother getting up for work in the morning at all, or play fair in life where cheating gets handsomely rewarded?

CalamariFritti · 11-05-2018 10:49am

Kivaro wrote: »

Less we forget, the amount he was "awarded" was €110,000.
€110,000! Imagine what "regular" people could do with that sort of money.
Apparently the mitigating factor in the €110,000 award was the fact the steps were wet. This is Ireland; we will have wet steps. What do companies need to do now? Have 2 people delivering packages with one of them wiping steps with a towel?

When you think about what's rotten in Ireland, the judiciary is high in the list. With the ridiculous leniency in their sentencing for repeat offenders; often letting them off with another warning that allows them to terrorise the community again, to the overly generous payments for compensation.

Judges heap misery on the law-abiding, contributing members of Irish society. The whole judicial system needs a overhaul, but that will not happen with the current crop of politicians.

Why do Irish people bother getting up for work in the morning at all, or play fair in life where cheating gets handsomely rewarded?

I usually don’t like statements like that because it’s probably overly simplified.

But yes it really looks that way on both accounts of what you’re saying. Repeat offenders and violence seems uncontrollable and common sense is out the window on compensation / injury claims. And yes you would tend to wonder who benefits from this and is there indeed a systemic problem.

I dare say if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.,.

Kivaro · 11-05-2018 11:02am

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I usually don’t like statements like that because it’s probably overly simplified.

I am offended by your comment, so will now seek legal action against you unless you pay me ............... (thinking of a ludicrous amount) ............. €110,000.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I dare say if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.,.

I believe we should train ducks to do this man's job in the future, as they will be able to handle wet steps.

foxy farmer · 11-05-2018 11:51am

Wonder how popular he'll be in the staff canteen now? It can be a very lonely place.

Petyr Baelish · 11-05-2018 11:54am

If someone broke a nail typing a post on Boards.ie, could they sue the owners of the site on the grounds that they did not provide training in how to post safely?

Glass fused light · 11-05-2018 12:30pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I believe we should train ducks to do this man's job in the future, as they will be able to handle wet steps.

Well Oxford Uni have spent stg 300,000 proving that ducks like water but not that they like steps.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/may/20/research-proves-ducks-like-water

Anyone remember when one of the US companys produced a 'how to' manual for how to walk up and down stairs and insisted that all staff had to hold on to the handrail?

Beasty · 11-05-2018 12:32pm

Broke my foot falling down the bottom step bringing the kids presents down on XMas Eve - I'm assuming I can sue them and my insurance will have to pay out because it's all their fault and they are presumably covered under my policy....

Doctors room ghost · 11-05-2018 12:35pm

Beasty wrote: »

Broke my foot falling down the bottom step bringing the kids presents down on XMas Eve - I'm assuming I can sue them and my insurance will have to pay out because it's all their fault and they are presumably covered under my policy....

Absolutely.and you could also counter sue santy clause as he was the sub contractor.

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-05-2018 12:39pm

The 80k a year plus the lump sum and 500 a week pension isnt enough for him

major bill · 11-05-2018 12:39pm

When is society going to stop catering for idiots!! Some new starter in the ESB is going to have to spend an extra hour in their induction learning about the dangers of collecting post as a result of this clown!!!

suicide_circus · 11-05-2018 12:42pm

Hope he drinks every cent

RockDesk · 11-05-2018 12:43pm

Petyr Baelish wrote: »

If someone broke a nail typing a post on Boards.ie, could they sue the owners of the site on the grounds that they did not provide training in how to post safely?

I'll sue you if I'm replying to you

Glass fused light · 11-05-2018 12:45pm

major bill wrote: »

When is society going to stop catering for idiots!! Some new starter in the ESB is going to have to spend an extra hour in their induction learning about the dangers of collecting post as a result of this clown!!!

Everyone in the ESB is going to be sent on that course, plus the one about using staircases and the use of a handrail when using stairs, the HR training team will need a bonus video refresher course with multi choice q&a to be completed each year too.

washman3 · 11-05-2018 12:46pm

foxy farmer wrote: »

Wonder how popular he'll be in the staff canteen now? It can be a very lonely place.

Probably welcomed with open arms as half of them have already had similar claims themselves....;)

foxy farmer · 11-05-2018 12:48pm

washman3 wrote: »

Probably welcomed with open arms as half of them have already had similar claims themselves....;)

Honour among thieves.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-05-2018 1:44pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Was just about to say what RacoonQueen said above - I'm familiar with the training culture in the ESB and there is absolutely no way anyone, in any department there, hasn't had manual handling training. This guy apparently needed someone to demonstrate how to walk and carry a few letters at the same time.

Agreed. I can guarantee he got annual manual handling courses and was aware of the mantra in every ESB office to "hold the rail" on stairs.

jobbridge4life · 11-05-2018 1:48pm

enricoh wrote: »

When yer on 350k a year like the judge 110k actually seems reasonable!
More health and safety training now required for companies as a result of this judge. More costs onto companies = higher prices for consumers.

Still no sign of Ireland cutting whiplash payouts like the UK did to 500stg. Too many snouts in the trough

What Judge in the Republic of Ireland is on 350,000 euro?

Gravelly · 11-05-2018 1:49pm

Thiago White Shower wrote: »

Agreed. I can guarantee he got annual manual handling courses and was aware of the mantra in every ESB office to "hold the rail" on stairs.

The next intake of employees will have to do the "manual handling while walking downstairs with letters" course, complete with 287 powerpoint slides, and a multiple choice test at the end. They will be presented with a MHWWDWL certificate, which will require retraining every 2 years.

RacoonQueen · 11-05-2018 2:02pm

When coming back into the office building with my mid morning cuppa, I often pick up my companies post and bring it up the stairs. Often there are amazon parcels etc so my hands can be quite full. I've never been trained for, or asked to do this task, but I mean if I was to like spill tea on myself or something, how much do you folks think I could get?

Gravelly · 11-05-2018 2:05pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

When coming back into the office building with my mid morning cuppa, I often pick up my companies post and bring it up the stairs. Often there are amazon parcels etc so my hands can be quite full. I've never been trained for, or asked to do this task, but I mean if I was to like spill tea on myself or something, how much do you folks think I could get?

For a mere tea spill I'm guessing €50k or so would be fair recompense, but If I were you I'd go for the full "fall down AND spill tea on myself" - that must be worth in the region of €150k-€200k surely. If you make sure one of the Amazon packages hits you on the way down, I can't see why it couldn't run to a quarter of a million.

Kivaro · 11-05-2018 2:14pm

Gravelly wrote: »

For a mere tea spill I'm guessing €50k or so would be fair recompense, but If I were you I'd go for the full "fall down AND spill tea on myself" - that must be worth in the region of €150k-€200k surely. If you make sure one of the Amazon packages hits you on the way down, I can't see why it couldn't run to a quarter of a million.

And what if there was an Apple device in the Amazon package :eek:
Jerpus, I'd see it running into a couple of million.
Apple will settle in a jiffy, since they've already seen how bad the judicial system is in Ireland.

jiltloop · 11-05-2018 2:38pm

foxy farmer wrote: »

Wonder how popular he'll be in the staff canteen now? It can be a very lonely place.

On the contrary, he'll have a crowd gathered around him looking for tips and legal advice!

kenmc · 11-05-2018 4:12pm

Surely the decades of successful postal collections before the incident could have been considered "on the job training"?

I'll hazard a guess that if had actually been sent for "how to collect the post" training he'd have been all over them for implying he was stupid.

Mind Boggled

McCrack · 11-05-2018 4:37pm

Beasty wrote: »

Broke my foot falling down the bottom step bringing the kids presents down on XMas Eve - I'm assuming I can sue them and my insurance will have to pay out because it's all their fault and they are presumably covered under my policy....

Perhaps - it depends whether the steps conform to Building Regulations or whether there was some defect in the bottom step

You should contact a solicitor for advice

whisky_galore · 11-05-2018 4:39pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

When coming back into the office building with my mid morning cuppa, I often pick up my companies post and bring it up the stairs. Often there are amazon parcels etc so my hands can be quite full. I've never been trained for, or asked to do this task, but I mean if I was to like spill tea on myself or something, how much do you folks think I could get?

Wait.....you didn't receive any tea-making training?

AudreyHepburn · 11-05-2018 4:50pm

What happened to accidents just being accidents?

Why is someone else always to blame?

Why can people not just accept that sometimes bad things happen through no ones fault?

diomed · 11-05-2018 5:10pm

Another claim when he falls carrying a compensation cheque?

RacoonQueen · 12-05-2018 12:27am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wait.....you didn't receive any tea-making training?

Oh no. That's why I go to the restaurant next door to buy it. I'd never risk making it myself without formal training.

Come to think of it, we've never been trained on cleaning up after ourselves in the office kitchen, now makes sense why hardly any f*cker does it. Too dangerous.

Tin Foil Hat · 12-05-2018 12:31am

It's easy to be generous with other peoples things.

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