8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

RobertKK wrote: »

All I know is various experts in the field disagree, obstetricians who support abortion say abortion would have treated an undiagnosed infection...
Other obstetricians disagree that abortion would have saved her life given

From the inquest:
The former pathologist added that in his opinion the baby and placenta would have been dead before the rapid growth of this infection. "This is why it is so important to remove this tissues so quickly once the baby is dead," he said.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/savita-died-from-rare-infection-29207124.html

I asked very specific questions. perhaps you can answer what i asked instead of what suits you.

frag420 wrote: »

Simples really....if you want it to be. Not simple if you are an ignoramus and failure of a man!!

Whether I agree with you or not, insults are not the best way to go in getting your point across.

The target of these will just dig their heels in further. I should know

January wrote: »

More lies. Not against her will, against her parents will. She has stated that she didn't actually know she was having an abortion, she thought she was being brought to have the baby, she didn't understand pregnancy/birth/abortion. Not that she had the abortion against her will.

. She said she didn’t even know what pregnant was when she was told she was pregnant.
She said she would have given her child up for adoption and not aborted, but she was drugged to her eyeballs.

This is her story

In the days after the rape, social workers arrived at Mary's caravan in north Dublin and took her away. She believed she would be home again in 24 hours.
She was taken to Mullingar and placed in foster care with another Traveller family. Slowly, the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months. Before long, she realised nobody was coming to take her home.

Around this time, she developed severe hunger pangs and frequent vomiting. She had no idea what was wrong until one day her foster mother took her to the local GP where she was asked for a urine sample.
The next morning, she was told she was pregnant. She was bewildered. "I said: 'What's pregnant?'" she recalls. "They said 'you are having a baby'. I didn't understand how I could be. A few weeks later, they came and took me on a plane to London.
"The next day, I was taken to a building. All I remember next was being wheeled on a trolley and screaming with the pain.

"They gave me an injection, and when I woke up, the pain had gone. Eventually they told me the baby was dead."


"My name – the C-case girl – is brought up on radio and TV all the time these days as if I'm an ad for abortion. The X-case girl never had an abortion in the end so we don't know how it would have affected her, but, for me, it has been harder to deal with than the rape.

"It only really hits you after you have children. You never forget your missing baby. It plays on your mind every day. Any woman who has an abortion and then goes on to become a mother will know all about it afterwards.
"I didn't want to become a mother at 13, but I realise now that baby didn't deserve to die. I would have loved to give her up for adoption to somebody who really wanted kids and couldn't have them. She'd be a teenager today and maybe we could be friends, even if she didn't call me mammy."

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This post has been deleted.

I deleted that bit as I was wrong to say it was a lie.

The state gave her an abortion against her will and the bishop is correct that for some rape is worse than the abortion. Some tried to make it the bishop was not being truthful.

RobertKK wrote: »

. She said she didn’t even know what pregnant was when she was told she was pregnant.
She said she would have given her child up for adoption and not aborted, but she was drugged to her eyeballs.

This is her story...

So what changes would you like to see to minimise the chances of this happening again? And would any of them require the 8th to remain in place?

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Whether I agree with you or not, insults are not the best way to go in getting your point across.

The target of these will just dig their heels in further. I should know

I hear what you are saying. However Robert has an opportunity to prove to us that he has some humanity and is not an ignoramus and a failure of a man. Its entirely up to him to prove me wrong by addressing the questions put to him. Especially the questions that debunk his many claims!!

Of course now he will us this as a platform to spout more crap and tell the thread how he is being victimised. Well stop being a victim and own your beliefs and back then up with facts!

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This post has been deleted.

I'm not making any of those arguments.


gmail asked where the 24 weeks number came from, and I said it is approximately 'viability'.
The only argument I'm making now is that arguing over the word 'viability' over the term '24 weeks' is nit-picking and I think it would be better to find more substantive counter-arguments.

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/Bishop-of-Ossory-suggests-abortion-can-be-far-worse-than-rape

And new levels of utter stupidity have been reached.



A complete and utter moron.

The Bishop should tell all the children that his buddies in the church diddled that abortion can be far worse than the abuse that they suffered at the hands of those riddled throughout the last god knows how many years and see how the grown-up abuse victims take his statement.

Gobsh!te.

RobertKK wrote: »

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Bishop of Ossory suggests 'abortion can be far worse than rape'

I hope more and more bishops wade into the debate. I hope every priest in Ireland spells out the bishop's position on rape, on contraception, on abstinence or the rhythm method, on fatal fetal abnormality in their sermons in detail between now and polling day.

While it was nice to hear from the Vatican after the SSM referendum that gay marriage is "a defeat for humanity", I'd like everyone to be clear on their views before this one. No more hiding behind Iona, Cóir, Youth Defence and so on - lay it out for us what the Vatican really thinks.

From a rape victim who had an abortion: “for me, it has been harder to deal with than the rape.”.



https://m.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/ccase-mum-i-grieve-for-my-lost-baby-every-day-29241584.html

As per that article: she did not know what was happening. she did not know the pregnancy was being terminated. She did not have a CHOICE at any stage of the proceedings. Of course she will be negatively effected.

Can you show any proof that women who get a choice in the matter filing it more traumatic?

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

You admitted in your first post that you are a re-reg, presumably banned or thread banned under your previous identity.

Having two accounts is not allowed on boards, but the mods appear to have taken a holiday. Several thread-banned posters posting away merrily the last two days, posts reported including links to the mod posts thread-banning them! No action taken.

goz83 wrote: »

What sort of dimwitted, numb-skull decides that it is ok to discuss abortions with someone elses 11 year old kid? As an aside, we are expecting another child next week and this conversation upset my little girl. Shameful behaviour.

My son read the leaflet and burned it, so I don't know who was canvassing and couldn't find the canvassers when we returned. My son quoted what the leaflet said. Just a taste of the tripe it contained; (and i paraphrase) "men have more right over their bodies than women even though they have less parts".

I can tell you for a fact that was not a Together for Yes canvasser or leaflet.

Please get hold of a copy of the leaflet from your neighbours if possible, and inform T4Y of what is going on. Edited to add: T4Y will know exactly which houses in your area they called to, who called, and when, it is all written down and sent back to HQ. I am sure they will tell you they were nowhere near your house at the time. T4Y do not allow inexperienced canvassers to call to houses alone and do not speak to minors.

I smell either a false-flag operation or a VERY overzealous, naive student who needs a good dose of cop-on administered, stat.

Paranoid Bob wrote: »

Is it?
I just looked at the together4yes donations page. They have a checkbox self-attestation that the donor is a citizen of or permanent resident in Ireland, but the personal details form will accept billing addresses anywhere in the world.


A checkbox self-attestation is a very weak sort of control.

I had to supply an address and corresponding valid Eircode.

NuMarvel wrote: »

"Thanks be to God your mum was pro life or your mum would have ended up like this"

A poster hanging on the railings of a school. Just in case you thought No voters and campaigners couldn't get much lower.

https://twitter.com/Dailigh/status/994689066301116420

Truly despicable. Whoever printed that should be ashamed of themselves, whoever thought putting that up was a good idea must be of unsound mind but whoever printed it is worse if anything.

Paranoid Bob wrote: »

A GP-led service is about more than just handing out pills. The concerns raised by the union representative in that article look quite reasonable and realistic and should not be summarily dismissed because they are inconvenient.

GPs are in dispute with the government over money. They have been for years. They have blocked every new initiative until they get a payoff. They did this with the free GP visits for under sixes, once they get a few more quid their way they (the god botherers aside) will be fine with handing out abortion pills too.