8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

ELM327

joe40 wrote: »

Where are all the "No" voters? According to the polls there are plenty out there
There are plenty of posters on this site who are no shrinking violets when it comes to challenging what they perceive as PC, Lefty liberal culture taking over, so I can't imagine this thread is particularly intimidating.

There does seem to be a majority "yes" support but that is simply because there is such a lack of "No voters engaging.
I disagree with virtually everything RobertKK says but at least he is fighting the fight, arguing his case. Throws in a few lies and deflection but that is debate.

Where are the rest?
I'll ask the same question I asked earlier and would value a response from some "No" voters.
If Britain bans abortions for non-British people would you still vote no? Be honest!
With Brexit and intense wrangling about the border down the line this is not an outlandish proposition - one the DUP would fully support.

That's me normally, but I'm firmly on the repeal side for this.
Perhaps some others are the same?
(Except for those who are threadbanned but pathetically keep thanking every post that comes their way.)

ELM327

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I'd be very interested in seeing this leaflet.
If it is from yes supporters it needs shredding as it is not reflective of what we are campaigning for.

I'd guess it has a (C) Iona Institute or (C) John McGuirk hidden somewhere on it.

Bannasidhe

joe40 wrote: »

Points 1 and 2 are contradictory, does the list get any better?

No.

RobertKK

Martina1991 wrote: »

The following is an extract from a woman's story on the FB page In Her Shoes posted today.

"I suffered cardiac issues in my first pregnancy at the end and in labour, it was scary to say the least. Afterwards I was told it was just an unfortunate side effect of my pregnancy and no more was ever said about it. When I fell pregnant again the cardiac issues occurred from 10 weeks and got worse every week.

At 22 weeks I followed my GP’s advice of heading straight to the hospital if I was worried. I was brought into a room on the maternity ward straight away and my baby was checked out immediately. Baby was fine. It took over half an hour for anyone to take my pulse. When the consultant came in the nurse gave an overview of my symptoms. The consultant panicked and said ‘the baby has erratic and irregular heart rate?’ and once they were told no it’s the mother they replied ‘oh just the mother’ and walked off.

That day it hit me so hard that it didn’t matter what was happening to me as long as the baby was ok. I felt so sad and angry and then guilty that I was worrying about myself. I’ve learnt since it’s ok to feel sad and angry, I’m not being selfish wanting to be ok. It’s not selfish to want to be alive for my husband and daughter. I cried on the way home. That was the start of many visits where I left in tears.

36 weeks arrived and I hobbled into the consultant’s room and I asked for my section date and he said we’d review at 38 weeks as the baby may not be breech then. I got angry and explained yet again that no matter what way the baby was I needed this to happen soon, I was beyond desperate just trying to exist every day and I was afraid of what pushing a baby out would do to my heart again.

My baby came 2 days before 39 weeks and I was near cardiac arrest through the delivery. I spent 7 hours in recovery afterwards as my heart went into a very erratic state. The poor midwife that pulled the short straw that day was amazing to me and was so angry that I was not having a section but she worked hard to look after me and to keep me calm.

The next day I was discharged and during that process I was advised not to get pregnant again as the cardiac issues would possibly be worse, possibly start earlier in the pregnancy and there would be a high risk of heart failure due to all I’ve been through or lifelong damage. I was also advised to speak to my GP about having some additional check-ups.
I cried.

Voting No is not stopping abortions, it is just punishing and torturing women who choose to have them. It is also ensuring that we continue to be treated as vessels without a voice.

Voting Yes gives us a voice, ownership of our own bodies and is removing the punishment for a situation that may be unfavourable to a certain group of the population yet has absolutely no bearing on their lives whatsoever".

Emer, Mayo.

Robert I really wish you would open your eyes and ears and LISTEN to these women who are all around you.

Whether you think abortion is wrong is your own belief. Stop standing in the way of our maternity care.

But would this change with a Yes? I ask this as how do you know if the hospital is not more concerned about being sued if something happened the baby? We see the big payouts of a hospital make when an error during delivery happened and the baby is affected?
We see how the health service fight people even when clearly in the wrong.
I don't view you as selfish, did you ask why your heart rate was viewed as less important than the baby, the 8th amendment does not say the unborn life supercedes your life.
My father was in hospital earlier this year, he was elderly, he died since, but no one in the hospital would feed him unless we were there to do it, he was left unfed.
There is a general lack of care in hospitals, I know another man who in his 90s was left out in the corridor for three days on a trolley and his family too had be there to feed him or he would be left go hungry as he needed help with feeding, he is better now but general care can be very poor at times when people enter the hospital system.
You experienced a serious lack of care. I understand your anger.

The women around me are No voters. I don't have to ask then as they tell me.

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RobertKK

joe40 wrote: »

Where are all the "No" voters? According to the polls there are plenty out there
There are plenty of posters on this site who are no shrinking violets when it comes to challenging what they perceive as PC, Lefty liberal culture taking over, so I can't imagine this thread is particularly intimidating.

There does seem to be a majority "yes" support but that is simply because there is such a lack of "No voters engaging.
I disagree with virtually everything RobertKK says but at least he is fighting the fight, arguing his case. Throws in a few lies and deflection but that is debate.

Where are the rest?
I'll ask the same question I asked earlier and would value a response from some "No" voters.
If Britain bans abortions for non-British people would you still vote no? Be honest!
With Brexit and intense wrangling about the border down the line this is not an outlandish proposition - one the DUP would fully support.

I'd still vote No. Britain's regime doesn't make it right.

The Legend Of Kira

spookwoman wrote: »

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Ah here. Are you saying it’s ok for men to have an opinion as long as you agree with it? I don’t agree with their stance but don’t care whether they’re male or female.

It's the first thing I noticed as well. A group of middle aged men trying to control my body. Considering I had a scan delayed for a tumor because someone thought I might be pregnant when I knew I wasn't you have to understand my position. None of them will ever have diagnosis or treatment delayed because they might be pregnant. What makes it worse is these are elected officials and I wonder how many disclosed they were pro life when canvasing for election.

Replying to this part of your post.

"" I wonder how many disclosed they were pro life when canvasing for election.""

Some of them did declare their views about being pro life back in 2014 when the life institute asked all election candidates what their views were prior to the local elections. Some replied & some didn,t - but the ones who replied are all listed by the life institute .

http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/past-projects/be-the-change-vote-pro-life/candidates-local-elections/

http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/am_cms_media/uploaded/l/0e3243629_1401101891_localelectioncandidate-list.pdf

RobertKK

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I said when people enter the hospital system it is not good. It doesn't mean the outcomes are not good.

Bannasidhe

RobertKK wrote: »

I said when people enter the hospital system it is not good. It doesn't mean the outcomes are not good.

ummmm... It certainly implies it...

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Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

I said when people enter the hospital system it is not good. It doesn't mean the outcomes are not good.

So its true when you say it, but then true when you say something contradictory?

Come on Robert. You usually go with "Someone else said"

bootpaws

RobertKK wrote: »

There is a general lack of care in hospitals, I know another man who in his 90s was left out in the corridor for three days on a trolley and his family too had be there to feed him or he would be left go hungry as he needed help with feeding, he is better now but general care can be very poor at times when people enter the hospital system.

So you admit that the hospital system isn't always perfect, that substandard care is not a rare thing to experience, but yet under these conditions you still don't think that it's dangerous to make Doctors operating within those systems wait until women are dying to know the exact right moment they can legally intervene under the 8th?

Hotblack Desiato

pumpkin4life wrote: »

You're too short for this ride.

You want women to have to take responsbility for an unwanted child when you won't take responsibility for your own posts.

eviltwin

RobertKK wrote: »

I said when people enter the hospital system it is not good. It doesn't mean the outcomes are not good.

Not sure that's how you define 'world class'.....

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

So its true when you say it, but then true when you say something contradictory?

Come on Robert. You usually go with "Someone else said"

That kind of reply is arguing for the sake of arguing.

Sofiztikated

Paranoid Bob wrote: »

Our society has laws to protect minorities. That is a good thing.

Somehow, I doubt RobertKK gives a fiddlers elbow about those minorities either.

RobertKK

eviltwin wrote: »

Not sure that's how you define 'world class'.....

Where did I say World class?

Someone attributes a 'world class' and I then somehow said it, because they say I said it. Women are less likely to die in Ireland than in many countries including the UK, these are facts.

Hotblack Desiato

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

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Hi ACD, PM sent.

Hotblack Desiato

RobertKK wrote: »

Women are less likely to die in Ireland than in many countries including the UK, these are facts.

Only because until 2015 we didn't count maternal deaths in an internationally comparable way, and also we export plenty of life threatening cases to the UK...

ShowMeTheCash

Anyone know what the stats or polls are looking like thus far with this referendum?

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Somehow, I doubt RobertKK gives a fiddlers elbow about those minorities either.

What an absolutely horrible thing to post

eviltwin

RobertKK wrote: »

Where did I say World class?

Someone attributes a 'world class' and I then somehow said it, because they say I said it. Women are less likely to die in Ireland than in many countries including the UK, these are facts.

So that's how you define a successful maternal health system? No deaths??

Defunkd

joe40 wrote: »

Where are all the "No" voters?



I'll ask the same question I asked earlier and would value a response from some "No" voters.
If Britain bans abortions for non-British people would you still vote no? Be honest!.

I think you underappreciate RKK's interaction with you and others on this forum. When a person posts a pro-life post, you can be sure that 5 other pro-abortion posters are going to reply, with questions aplenty and all want answers. Given how few posts are without thinly-veiled insults/aggression/accusation of outright lying, you (collectively) should be fortunate that anyone is willing to engage with you.


This thread is an epitome of an echo-chamber.


And i'd ban abortion in Britain too.

RobertKK

eviltwin wrote: »

So that's how you define a successful maternal health system? No deaths??

There is nowhere with no deaths, but the duty is to follow best practice to keep it to a minimum, which does happen in this country, and when it doesn't it makes news.

Overheal

RobertKK wrote: »

What an absolutely horrible thing to post

So is posting that rape and rape pregnancy is favorable to abortion

Hotblack Desiato

Defunkd wrote: »

you can be sure that 5 other pro-abortion posters are going to reply

Can you point out who in this thread is pro-abortion? Ta.

And i'd ban abortion in Britain too.

How many dead pregnant women will be acceptable in the brave new world of 100% abortion free Ireland?

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

What an absolutely horrible thing to post

I'll take a ban, warning or whatever.

I'm around long enough to know you, and have you pegged.

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Overheal

Defunkd wrote: »

I think you underappreciate RKK's interaction with you and others on this forum. When a person posts a pro-life post, you can be sure that 5 other pro-abortion posters are going to reply, with questions aplenty and all want answers. Given how few posts are without thinly-veiled insults/aggression/accusation of outright lying, you (collectively) should be fortunate that anyone is willing to engage with you.


This thread is an epitome of an echo-chamber.


And i'd ban abortion in Britain too.

And pray tell, pro-birther, when it’s your daughter who is raped by your brother, should she carry your daughter-niece hybrid?

RobertKK

Overheal wrote: »

So is posting that rape and rape pregnancy is favorable to abortion

But why twist things like this?

I never said it was. A woman who had an abortion said in her case the abortion was worse than the rape
Then people like you twist it into something entirely different.