8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Overheal · 10-05-2018 01:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I deleted the post in question, but I think it is about 38% of abortion are women who had a second abortion.
Some people use stats and make out they are all unique women, when that isn't the case.

Uh huh. And how many use it as their preferred method of birth control, which is the lie I hear quite often from the pro birth crowd? Oops sorry, loaded question: none.

Hurrache · 10-05-2018 01:34PM

RTE News have the story now about how the Together For Yes fund raising page and Amnesty had DDOS attacks on their sites from within Ireland yesterday evening at the same time.

Overheal · 10-05-2018 01:35PM

RobertKK wrote: »

On the news, claim that the US based fundraising site for the TogetherForYes campaign went down for 30 minutes yesterday due to a cyber attack from Ireland.

Conspiracies theories forum in my side-card:

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Zubeneschamali · 10-05-2018 01:36PM

Hurrache wrote: »

RTE News have the story now about how the Together For Yes fund raising page and Amnesty had DDOS attacks on their sites from within Ireland yesterday evening at the same time.

The pro-aborts obviously attacked their own fundraising sites to try to smear the pro-life campaign.

:P

January · 10-05-2018 01:36PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I deleted the post in question, but I think it is about 38% of abortion are women who had a second abortion.
Some people use stats and make out they are all unique women, when that isn't the case.

I don't care if a woman is on her first or her 10th abortion. If she doesn't want to be pregnant she shouldn't be forced to remain pregnant and she shouldn't be forced to travel to England or order abortion pills online and risk a 14 year jail sentence in doing so.

Nobody is saying they're all unique women. Women can get pregnant every month of every year from the age of 10 up until the age of around 45 years old.

ELM327 · 10-05-2018 01:37PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The pro-aborts obviously attacked their own fundraising sites to try to smear the pro-life campaign.

:P

You should have let one of them say it, then we could have laughed at their vacuous idiocy.

It wasnt me123 · 10-05-2018 01:40PM

splinter65 wrote: »

So you are alleging that someone living in Kilkenny or Thurles or Nenagh or Carlow on a medical card can simply complete the change of doctor form to move form their own local GP to a GP in Clonmel and Client Registration in Finglas will facilitate that?
For a start there are 7 practices in our town and none are taking new patients at all never mind transfers

I am not alleging anything - you said where would they go if they couldnt go to a hospital in KK - I offered an alternative.

Why would someone in Carlow need to register with a gp in Clonmel? You can obtain medical treatment anywhere in the country - what I said was if your gp wasnt meeting your expectations, change gp - I didn't say change gp to one in Clonmel.

All practices here are taking new patients.

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=26135

Also medical cards simply don’t allow you to move to a GP at all that is any distance from your home.
And are refusing all transfers even with easy reach because most of it was completely unnecessary and is a huge cost to the taxpayer.
Being on the Vote Yes team in Clonmel doesn’t allow you to encourage people in Tipperary Carlow and Kilkenny to converge on GPs in Clonmel.
Very bad advice. Quite dangerous.

You are the one who is being dangerous - printing lies. There is no huge cost to a taxpayer from a medical card point of view if you change gps. Two forms plus a new card - not going to break the budget.

I never encouraged anyone to converge on gps in Clonmel. I invited women that if they couldn't get treatment in KK hospital, to come to Clonmel. Where does that say change gp?

You are making stuff up and I will report this post of yours. Keep making stuff up and you'll be banned. Cop on.

gmisk · 10-05-2018 01:40PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The pro-aborts obviously attacked their own fundraising sites to try to smear the pro-life campaign.

:P

Yep same with those Simon Harris posters!!!!
So sneaky!!!!!

NuMarvel · 10-05-2018 01:45PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The pro-aborts obviously attacked their own fundraising sites to try to smear the pro-life campaign.

:P

I have an alibi for this one. I was at the cinema watching Avengers: Infinity War for the second time. I've got the ticket to prove it.

gmisk · 10-05-2018 01:47PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

I have an alibi for this one. I was at the cinema watching Avengers: Infinity War for the second time. I've got the ticket to prove it.

That proves nothing!

You could have done it all from a phone!!!!
(although using a phone during the cinema to me is a worse crime than taking down a fund raising website!)

Zubeneschamali · 10-05-2018 01:50PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

I have an alibi for this one. I was at the cinema watching Avengers: Infinity War for the second time. I've got the ticket to prove it.

Ah, but the fact that you admit you watched it before means answering questions on events in the movie doesn't prove you sat though it!

J'accuse!

ELM327 · 10-05-2018 01:52PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Ah, but the fact that you admit you watched it before means answering questions on events in the movie doesn't prove you sat though it!

J'accuse!

RobertKK doesn't like Marvel, so we are all not allowed watch it.
Well, you can, just not on Irish soil
And you can travel to the UK to watch it but only in old planes with a large risk of crashing.
Or you can order a USB key from Holland/UK with the film on it but it may also contain anthrax.

Hurrache · 10-05-2018 01:53PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The pro-aborts obviously attacked their own fundraising sites to try to smear the pro-life campaign.

:P

Surely anti-lifers given the one side are pro-life?

ELM327 · 10-05-2018 01:55PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Surely anti-lifers given the one side are pro-life?

Ironically, given the far reaching health risks the 8th poses, they are both "Pro Life" and pro death.

inter arma · 10-05-2018 01:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

A majority of the Dail.

Any link to confirm this?

RobertKK wrote: »

Changing opinion after being elected means they have no mandate from their voters.

Rubbish.

NuMarvel · 10-05-2018 02:03PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The No side has no representation from any political leaders...

I've already told you this isn't true. The entire Renua party is No, as is the National Party.

Is there some reason they're not good enough for you?

kylith · 10-05-2018 02:05PM

RobertKK wrote: »

But that is what Simon Harris did.

OR he was given all the information, studied it, ruminated on it for a bit, then changed his mind.

Frankly I respect someone who can look at the evidence and change their mind more than someone who ignores evidence and blindly sticks to one position.

gmisk · 10-05-2018 02:06PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

I've already told you this isn't true. The entire Renua party is No, as is the National Party.

Is there some reason they're not good enough for you?

Yes and you have Mattie Mc Grath....and er the Healy Raes.....lucky you....

Oh and Former Senator Fidelma Healy Eames is backing a No...what a shock....
Maybe she took down the pro choice site using her top notch (french pronunciation) WIFI!!!

kylith · 10-05-2018 02:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Simon Harris votes for suicide as a reason for abortion while still claiming he is prolife.

Are you saying that someone who votes to stop people killing themselves isn't pro-life.

Seems the definition of pro-life to me.

Calina · 10-05-2018 02:13PM

I am rather tired of complaints that abortion on demand will come in. Abortion is always on demand. We don't force women to have abortions. We will not force them on women. People complaining that they don't want abortion on demand are effectively saying that women have to suffer enough for the right to an abortion. It is sick.

As for Robert's whinging about Google which I couldn't post about earlier because boards has been 503ing all day here - the only way the pro-life campaign can claim to be disproportionately affected is if they expected to have a disproportionate advantage on Google's platforms. After all, both sides have been blocked.

Overheal · 10-05-2018 02:17PM

RobertKK wrote: »

There are lies in this thread that the 8th cost lives, yet people are unable to explain why the UK has a higher death toll of pregnant women.

Can you? With sources? Facts? Evidence?

You’re a lot like the flat earthers we see in CT. It’s a logical fallacy called “begging the question.”

But we know what your falsifiable thesis here is: ‘The UK has a higher maternity death rate due to abortions.’

Now it’s your Burden of Proof to back up that claim. But as long as we’re begging the question let me also ask you while you answer that: how many of those maternal deaths are Irish women who have been forced out of Ireland for their healthcare?

joe40 · 10-05-2018 02:18PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

fxotoole wrote: »

Where is this list? I'd be interested in seeing it

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2018/05/10/abortion-is-not-a-solution-14-donegal-gps-urge-no-vote/

Sorry for going back a few pages but I saw this earlier and didn't get a chance to post.
That is truly shocking, I live in Donegal and thankfully my GP is not on the list.
I recognise some of the names, some I would have expected, others not so much (There are actually 19 in the list)
I don't have a problem with their individual decision not to provide treatment, that is a matter for themselves.
But they must know that their position as a GP in a community, especially rural, carries an awful lot of influence and by writing this letter they are having a significant influence on the vote.
I suppose it is their decision and they have a right to campaign, but GPs going against opinions of the main maternity hospitals is strange to say the least.

Banjaxed82 · 10-05-2018 02:21PM

Given that the word "Yes" is primarily associated with positivity and the word "No" with negativity, has there been any research done on whether a yes or no vote triumphs more often in a referendum?

Given that the '83 referendum was the reverse of this one, and the Yes vote was to introduce the 8th (and won out)...

Zubeneschamali · 10-05-2018 02:22PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

I've already told you this isn't true. The entire Renua party is No, as is the National Party.

In fairness, I'm sure the local Pre-Vatican II Latin Mass False Pope Lunacy candidate is a No, too, but these are not political heavyweights we are talking about.

Renua split from FG because FG weren't No enough and promptly lost their seats.

As for Justin Barrett's Greenshirts: The National Party had planned to hold its press launch in the Merrion Hotel in Dublin but the event was cancelled by the hotel, which refused to say why.

I bet they get a lot of that.

Overheal · 10-05-2018 02:22PM

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Given that the word "Yes" is primarily associated with positivity and the word "No" with negativity, has there been any research done on whether a yes or no vote triumphs more often in a referendum?

Given that the '83 referendum was the reverse of this one, and the Yes vote was to introduce the 8th (and won out)...

I doubt it? Usually has more to do with the language of the referenda. See Florida 2016 referendum on solar energy credits. It’s up to the campaigns if they simply want to go with shouting YES or NO Like Wabbit season or Duck season. Messaging is important. You walk into a room and someone asks you to vote yes or no - your response: “to what!?”

Zubeneschamali · 10-05-2018 02:25PM

Calina wrote: »

the only way the pro-life campaign can claim to be disproportionately affected is if they expected to have a disproportionate advantage on Google's platforms.

Not only did they expect it, they were clearly banking on it. Someone sold them on the whole "facebook/cambridge analytica got a win for Trump and Brexit in spite of the polls" idea.

Overheal · 10-05-2018 02:27PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Not only did they expect it, they were clearly banking on it. Someone sold them on the whole "facebook/cambridge analytica got a win for Trump and Brexit in spite of the polls" idea.

It also worked for the invasion of Iraq, pre social media.

Ironically that was the wake up call for citizens and private entities to develop better ways to talk amongst ourselves about what our bat**** crazy leadership was doing.

Zubeneschamali · 10-05-2018 02:28PM

Overheal wrote: »

It’s up to the campaigns if they simply want to go with shouting YES or NO Like Wabbit season or Duck season.

SSSssshhhh!

Overheal · 10-05-2018 02:29PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

SSSssshhhh!

Man I wish they had to read this thread to suss out what their new strategy needs to be. Haha

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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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