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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #3092
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    I find this funny because I never did,find a post where I mocked someone's miscarriage by name, I shall wait patiently

    Buddy pal matey, if your defence of your despicable comments buddy is that you didn't have the balls buddy to use the name buddy or address directly buddy, the person whose trauma you were heartlessly mocking them I'm not getting drawn into your horse****. You know what you said, you know how hurtful it was.

    Obviously I wish you hadn't made the comments, but at least you showed up your charade of #loveboth and oh I'm so empathetic oh the little babbies for what it is.


  • #3093
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I never dismissed your pain. In fact I think it was to you I was that I was sorry you were in pain, which is an acknowledgement of your pain. I argued that medical personnel have to be sure a woman of child bearing years is not pregnant before treating her.

    But not taking my word that I am not.


  • #3094
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    so actually i never mentioned anyone ?
    But if you "think" i did, that means i did ?
    I don't think so

    ELM387 introduced an element of doubt in an earlier post. I think it is clear that there no doubt at all.


  • #3095
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    so actually i never mentioned anyone ?
    But if you "think" i did, that means i did ?
    I don't think so

    Pretty cowardly not to take responsibility for own your posts, it's clear what you were implying.

    Aren't the No campaigners all about women taking responsibility for their actions i.e. becoming pregnant?

    Seems what's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.

    Yet again.


  • #3096
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    so actually i never mentioned anyone ?
    But if you "think" i did, that means i did ?
    I don't think so

    Don't be a coward. You can't worm your way out of this - its very clear who you were referring to. It was a very cruel thing to do.
    You should be able to stand by what you said if you believe it to be true, which you must, seeing as you posted it about 5 times.


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  • #3097
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You think the propestive father should have any say in what a woman does with her body?
    I understand his sentiment.
    I had it too.

    BUT: It's unworkable. The woman is the one who has to endure the pregnancy, so if there's a tie and the man wants the pregnancy but the woman doesnt, who do you think should have the casting vote? HINT: the woman.


  • #3098
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    From the bringing in of the constitution to 1983 there was no constitutional clause with respect to the unborn and for most of that time there was no call for it either.

    The story of how the 8th came about is a fascinating account of church manipulation of the state.

    It took our politicians decades to bring in the simplest legislation to flesh out the 8th amendment. What makes you think they'll be anxious to revise the first legislation they pass?

    This video is worth sharing again it tells the story of how the 8th amendment came to be


  • #3099
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Of course i will i haven't mentioned anyone's name and didn't direct my comments at any one person.
    To me an unborn child is not the idea of a child.
    Sorry if that offends you.

    Six times now, if anyone's keeping score.


  • #3100
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    ELM387 introduced an element of doubt in an earlier post. I think it is clear that there no doubt at all.
    What was the doubt that I introduced?
    (remember I cannot see Anne's posts)


  • #3101
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I understand his sentiment.
    I had it too.

    BUT: It's unworkable. The woman is the one who has to endure the pregnancy, so if there's a tie and the man wants the pregnancy but the woman doesnt, who do you think should have the casting vote? HINT: the woman.


    Oh i understand the sentiment too but it is very wrong.


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  • #3102
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    swampgas wrote: »
    What's weird is that you are okay with women needing to PROVE that they are not pregnant. It should be enough for a woman to be able to sign a disclaimer that she assures the medical staff that she is not pregnant, end of story.

    I have no problem with a disclaimer. Why in heavens name would I. In fact I have got treatment for lots of minor things and my word was always taken same as for millions of women. If the illness and treatment is heavyduty stuff I imagine its an insurance thing and I really believe the same happens in other countries too.


  • #3103
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    Esmeralda Inexpensive Balloonist wrote: »
    Buddy pal matey, if your defence of your despicable comments buddy is that you didn't have the balls buddy to use the name buddy or address directly buddy, the person whose trauma you were heartlessly mocking them I'm not getting drawn into your horse****. You know what you said, you know how hurtful it was.

    Obviously I wish you hadn't made the comments, but at least you showed up your charade of #loveboth and oh I'm so empathetic oh the little babbies for what it is.

    But i didn't say it did i Pal ?


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  • #3105
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,807 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which I cannot accept. I completely fail to understand why anyone would give complete control of such an important issue to some unknown future politicians - even if they trusted the ones who were currently in office.

    The same Dail/politicians who we give the legislative right to, amongst many other things (i) increase income tax to 98%, (ii) reduce the age of consent to single digits, (iii) declare war on other countries.
    Yet life continues happily despite these powers the politicians have, cause they aren't going to do it.

    No politicians are going to put in social legislation that the majority find abhorrent. It would be the end of their political career and would serve no purpose as the subsequent landslide government would undo it on Day 1.


  • #3106
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which I cannot accept. I completely fail to understand why anyone would give complete control of such an important issue to some unknown future politicians - even if they trusted the ones who were currently in office.

    Well firstly because we give control to current and future politicians for MANY things. Why should this one be any different other than some people overstating the complexity of it?

    Secondly it appears no one is able to give any indication as to what it is concerns them. One user with the "I do not trust the politicians with this" narrative was asked by me to give their worst case scenario. What is the worst plausible legislation they could imagine politicians enacting. Their answer? Firstly they answered an entirely different question I did not actually ask. Then they ran away. Never came back.

    Third, even if I take Canada as an example of legislation that could be enacted..... there is no real horror in play there anyway. Regardless of how restrictive or liberal laws on abortion are.... the statistics on it's actual usage are consistent from country to country. And they are that the overwhelming majority of abortions happen in or before week 10, even more so by week 12, the the tiny remainder of the totality pretty much done by week 16.

    So not only can the fear mongerers about politicians not answer about their plausible worst case scenarios..... even the most liberal abortion legislation seems to have no more real world effect than some of the more restrictive.

    So where EXACTLY is the problem? Even with zero confidence in the honesty and ability of future politicians..... one can not seem to envision an action by them that would actually be all that harmful or detrimental compared to any other.


  • #3107
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Don't be a coward. You can't worm your way out of this - its very clear who you were referring to. It was a very cruel thing to do.
    You should be able to stand by what you said if you believe it to be true, which you must, seeing as you posted it about 5 times.

    I'm still waiting for proof ?
    I said above i believe an unborn child to be a child, not the idea of one.
    Nothing cowardly about that at all.


  • #3108
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I have no problem with a disclaimer. Why in heavens name would I. In fact I have got treatment for lots of minor things and my word was always taken same as for millions of women. If the illness and treatment is heavyduty stuff I imagine its an insurance thing and I really believe the same happens in other countries too.

    I think the same does happen in other countries, a key factor is though what happens next. In a country where abortion is legal the woman and her doctors have a conversation about her options, and make a plan to proceed based on that. Here that can not happen.


  • #3109
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Just put that poster on ignore - seems pretty clear they are trying to get thread-banned so they can go off and whine about how much they are being persecuted.


  • #3110
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I have no problem with a disclaimer. Why in heavens name would I. In fact I have got treatment for lots of minor things and my word was always taken same as for millions of women. If the illness and treatment is heavyduty stuff I imagine its an insurance thing and I really believe the same happens in other countries too.

    Spherical objects only found on males!

    I'm awaiting an x-ray for chronic pain in my hip. Nothing life threatening per se but agonising and mobility-limiting.

    Just an X-ray and I have a further delay, more mind altering/potentially addictive opiates, another fall (Sunday) and the insecurity of knowing something is wrong but not what it is.

    All because my country does not trust a 48 year old citizen to tell the truth merely because I have ovaries as opposed to the opening line of my post.


  • #3111
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for proof ?
    I said above i believe an unborn child to be a child, not the idea of one.
    Nothing cowardly about that at all.

    Keep deflecting, everyone can see what you're doing. You don't even have the balls to admit it and stand behind your own words.
    Deny, deny, deny, like a coward. The epitome of the LoveBoth movement.


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  • #3112
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    ELM327 wrote: »
    What was the doubt that I introduced?
    (remember I cannot see Anne's posts)
    ELM327 wrote: »
    What's your point? Maybe the person wasn't wrong. But you're still here.

    ;)


  • #3113
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ELM327 wrote: »
    What was the doubt that I introduced?
    (remember I cannot see Anne's posts)

    It was a post earlier where you suggested that maybe another person wasnt wrong. there is no maybe.


  • #3114
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Ignoring my posts a third time I see.
    Good to see you have no answers. It really shows what the NO side is about.

    I stand by my comments calling you a cretin for that post, your attitude towards people with disabilities was and is cretinous.

    I ignored your post because of the unnecessary abuse and the fact you are scraping the barrel with your "I"m autistic" angle.


  • #3115
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Back under your rock there.
    If you (or anyone else) has an issue with any of my posts you can press the little red icon beside it to report it to the moderators. They can then take a decision.

    Stop derailing the thread, sh1t or get off the pot, and report my posts. Or grow up and move on."

    I have reported your posts but hey seems like the mods are asleep. You'd be surprised how ineffective that holy grail of a report icon is to a No voter.


  • #3116
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,010 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I think someone is just a parody running on fumes at this stage! Probably helping swing undecideds toqards yes :pac:

    Not that I naming anyone in particular of course.

    Now wheres a good diary to read.


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  • #3118
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Back under your rock there.
    If you (or anyone else) has an issue with any of my posts you can press the little red icon beside it to report it to the moderators. They can then take a decision.

    Stop derailing the thread, sh1t or get off the pot, and report my posts. Or grow up and move on."

    I have reported your posts but hey seems like the mods are asleep. You'd be surprised how ineffective that holy grail of a report icon is to a No voter.

    You and me both.


  • #3119
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    doylefe wrote: »
    I ignored your post because of the unnecessary abuse and the fact you are scrapping the barrel with your "I"m autistic" angle.

    I am holding my (metaphorical) tongue here because I am enjoying the debate and have no wish to be sent to the sin bin.

    But can you please refrain from mocking those living with a disability ? It is about as low as you can go.


  • #3120
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I think someone is just a parody running on fumes at this stage! Probably helping swing undecideds toqards yes :pac:

    Not that I naming anyone in particular of course.

    Now wheres a good diary to read.

    Adrian Mole?


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