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    #212
    Milkingmad
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭Milkingmad


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Our lad was saying about putting a red light outside dairy to show if milk was over 7 degrees, which I would see from the house? What do ye think?

    Good idea I have something similar light stays red until cooler cuts out the only obvious problem is on the days that the tank washes the light is lit so it gives you a fright until you remember the milk was collected.

    I found it hard to get someone to do it because nobody wanted to fit it Incase there was a problem with the light set up down the line and they might be blamed for the lost milk. Had to get a family friend to wire it up and agreed that if it did go faulty there wouldn’t be any hassle.


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    #213
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Our lad was saying about putting a red light outside dairy to show if milk was over 7 degrees, which I would see from the house? What do ye think?

    Tank here send a text if temp high or power gone. If it can be done easy be no harm to do it someone would see it


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    #214
    visatorro
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭visatorro


    whelan2 wrote: »
    2 payments of 280 taken out in April and May milk cheque. Have to ring them again tomorrow, problems with a sensor again:mad: 12500litre tank

    Disappointing to hear your still Having trouble with the tank. Is the dealer any help?
    Are you going with them for the parlour as well?


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    #215
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,078 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    visatorro wrote: »
    Disappointing to hear your still Having trouble with the tank. Is the dealer any help?
    Are you going with them for the parlour as well?
    It's a packo. I haven't had to pay anything above the service contract. I know the service lads went after packo to pay for the new circuit board. Glad I have the service contract. But you shouldn't need it for a new tank


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    #216
    liam7831
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭liam7831


    The auld lad is looking to get a 6,000 litre second hand tank off one of the main dealers in Munster area (doesnt want to try and get grant for new one), can anyone recommend anyone? Kingston Refrigeration (Mueller dealer) is one in Cork we have been recommended, anymore would be great.


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    #217
    kowtow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    liam7831 wrote:
    The auld lad is looking to get a 6,000 litre second hand tank off one of the main dealers in Munster area (doesnt want to try and get grant for new one), can anyone recommend anyone? Kingston Refrigeration (Mueller dealer) is one in Cork we have been recommended, anymore would be great.


    Charleville refrigeration would have a big selection. Great to deal with I find.


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    #218
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    kowtow wrote:
    Charleville refrigeration would have a big selection. Great to deal with I find.

    I'm with them too, their gone to gea tanks now from dairycool. Not as easy to get them as their putting in robots a whole lot lately


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    #219
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,069 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    I'm with them too, their gone to gea tanks now from dairycool. Not as easy to get them as their putting in robots a whole lot lately

    The milking (Gea and Milfos) side are separate from tanks Kev ,ive a darikool tank with contract .the odd minor issue with tank requires callout which is prompt


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    #220
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    mahoney_j wrote:
    The milking (Gea and Milfos) side are separate from tanks Kev ,ive a darikool tank with contract .the odd minor issue with tank requires callout which is prompt


    He said to me lately their only sell g gea tanks now. Separate dealer I cork selling dairycool but they still service iirc. Also said the new gea tanks will show litres and options to text. Compressors are the same tho just rank and control panels differ


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    #221
    liam7831
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭liam7831


    Anyone have any experience with Alfa Laval, DeLavel tanks ?


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    #222
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    liam7831 wrote: »
    Anyone have any experience with Alfa Laval, DeLavel tanks ?

    Have one here 10 years. Only problem I had was the detergent lines collapsing after a few years. No detergent intakes then so you get high TBCs over 2 or 3 washes. Into the tank with a brush for a good scrubbing for a couple of hours and it's sorted but something to be aware of according to the service man.


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    #223
    liam7831
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭liam7831


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Have one here 10 years. Only problem I had was the detergent lines collapsing after a few years. No detergent intakes then so you get high TBCs over 2 or 3 washes. Into the tank with a brush for a good scrubbing for a couple of hours and it's sorted but something to be aware of according to the service man.

    i am looking at a refurbished one, did you get the problem sorted? Last thing we want is a one that does not wash properly as we have that problem at the moment!!


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    #224
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    liam7831 wrote: »
    i am looking at a refurbished one, did you get the problem sorted? Last thing we want is a one that does not wash properly as we have that problem at the moment!!

    Yeah, easily sorted by just replacing the detergent lines. The acid line was totally closed I think but the caustic line had closed a lot as well.


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    #225
    mickey1985
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭mickey1985


    Looking at getting a new bulk milk tank here and have it narrowed between liscarroll and dairi kool. Darikool is cheaper but would like to know what people who have either think?


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    #226
    yewtree
    Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yewtree


    mickey1985 wrote: »
    Looking at getting a new bulk milk tank here and have it narrowed between liscarroll and dairi kool. Darikool is cheaper but would like to know what people who have either think?

    We have liscarroll tanks as long as i can remember have found the tanks very reliable. Also found the company very good to deal with


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    #227
    mycro2013
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭mycro2013


    The tank is irrelevant as all manufacturers use a similar system. The key element is the refrigerant compressor. Liscarroll's system can be potentially spec'd with a Mueller hyperform compressor (seen as the best unit on the market) where as darikool has there own unit.

    Over the course of its lifetime a bulk tank will have multiples of its purchase price paid in electricity charges. The efficiency of the compressor is key.


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    #228
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    I'm with them too, their gone to gea tanks now from dairycool. Not as easy to get them as their putting in robots a whole lot lately

    Do you know why they changed brands?


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    #229
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    Do you know why they changed brands?
    Didn’t they lose the Gea dealership


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    #230
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    Didn’t they lose the Gea dealership

    It was the daricool dealership that they lost for a very good reason.


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    #231
    mycro2013
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭mycro2013


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    It was the daricool dealership that they lost for a very good reason.

    Can you elaborate on this.


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    #232
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    mycro2013 wrote: »
    The tank is irrelevant as all manufacturers use a similar system. The key element is the refrigerant compressor. Liscarroll's system can be potentially spec'd with a Mueller hyperform compressor (seen as the best unit on the market) where as darikool has there own unit.

    Over the course of its lifetime a bulk tank will have multiples of its purchase price paid in electricity charges. The efficiency of the compressor is key.

    We have a icebank silo tank from liscarrol here, electricity wise they are most efficient, but compared to a conventional direct expansion tank nearly double the price, if you have a dodgey electrical supply they are brilliant though as compressors only run at night to build ice and this means your not overloading your power supply when milking


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    #233
    adriant900
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭adriant900


    Hi, How many KW of power (or Hp) will I need if I upgrade to a 15,000litre bulk tank? Around 220 cows.

    When I look it up I find a lot of different answers, I will be talking to sales people but like to have some info first as I do not trust them to give the correct answer.



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    #234
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,518 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119864379#Comment_119864379

    I don't know about the electricity but that's a small tank for that number of cows



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    #235
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119864379#Comment_119864379

    Have you 3 phase. Two 7s I'd say. You'd still want to have a plate cooler with that amount of milk.



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    #236
    adriant900
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭adriant900



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867581#Comment_119867581

    My thinking is that at peak they do a little less than 28litres per day, even if that increased to 30litres which is unlikely as breading decisions for the last few years is to drive less litres and more solid percentages, 30litres * 220 cows * 2 day collections = 13,200litres.



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    #237
    adriant900
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭adriant900


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867713#Comment_119867713

    Yes to 3 phase and yes to plate cooler



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    #238
    cute geoge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    is Kerry the only co op that requires 3 days capacity at peak



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    #239
    adriant900
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭adriant900


    It is clear from the above posts that dx is more efficient than ice builders. Does anyone know the figures on it? I.e how many kwh do each use per 1000 litres of milk?


    The reason I ask is that I have an ice builder, when I get a new tank, it will be a dx but I am thinking of getting solar panels and could keep the ice builder as a battery, use it when I have excess solar and use the ice to cool the milk with plate cooler down to 3 or 4 degrees.

    Post edited by adriant900 on


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    #240
    cjpm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭cjpm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120152691#Comment_120152691

    Ice builders are slightly cheaper to run as the ice can be built on Night rate elec.

    DX are far cheaper to buy and take up a lot less space

    A double stage plate cooler with well and chilled water is the fastest and cheapest way of cooling milk So hold onto the ice builder would be my advice



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