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Journalism and cycling

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭buffalo


    QueensGael wrote: »
    * the poor chuldurren who can't be taken to the schoolhouse by car when the parent has been disqualified for drink driving

    Do they not still walk the twenty mile barefoot through the snow?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Imagine your life being so miserable you feel compelled to make a fb page about cyclists breaking the rules of the road.

    Poor fella should take up a more exciting hobby like watching the grass grow or something.
    Most of his videos are made on a mobile phone while driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Most of his videos are made on a mobile phone while driving.

    Check out the RSA Facebook page. Recent post from some brain dead complaining about cyclists - “says it all” is the caption. Looks like the cyclist is avoiding the cycle lane due to a lot of lying water (looks is was raining) and there’s also traffic cones opposite. Anyway, this brain dead was happy to post this photo from the cab of a HGV. Five likes as well - presumably equally as brain dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Coming up on Pat Kenny, ignoring the rules of the road is a matter of life and death in London, he finds out why. Sigh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,823 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Coming up on Pat Kenny, ignoring the rules of the road is a matter of life and death in London, he finds out way. Sigh.

    Thank you Irish Times for starting this fair and balanced debate:cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Kav0777


    I heard them discussing this segment at the end of the breakfast show, Paul Williams had quite the take on it:

    We have to do something about these cyclists breaking the law as there were "36 cyclists killed on our roads over ...er... the last number of periods".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭QueensGael


    and now for the insightful text messages

    Red lights and footpaths in 3,2,1...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Kav0777 wrote: »
    I heard them discussing this segment at the end of the breakfast show, Paul Williams had quite the take on it:
    We have to do something about these cyclists breaking the law as there were "36 cyclists killed on our roads over ...er... the last number of periods".

    Paul Williams, known cyclist hater, not as bad as Hook of course, he wishes he was that controversial!

    William's solution would most likely be to make cycling on roads illegal!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Internet Friend


    Just caught the end of a discussion on cycling infrastructure there on News Talk. Main point that I caught was the comparison between other countries annual spend on infrastructure (20% was the example given) -vs- Ours (2%). Presenter very quickly wrapped up the discussion as soon as that point was made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Yeah but if we brought in “road tax” for cyclists, all these problems would magically go away


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭rodneyTrotter.


    Don’t Newstalk love just bringing up “drivers v cyclists “ . I listened to most of it today . Feels like every couple of days they bring it up .
    Ciara Kelly was told by her guest that dayglow and Helmets wouldn’t save you from getting crushed by a truck . Delighted she made that point . Not that she seemed to take on the guests point of view .
    She couldn’t wait to read out the usual guff about red light breaking etc to finish up.

    Why is it always thought that cyclists don’t drive or pay tax . Why are we all pigeonholed as red light breaking city centre cyclists .

    I drive all day and all I see is cars breaking lights , crash’s on the m50 daily, traffic jams and people on phones driving .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Why is it always thought that cyclists don’t drive or pay tax . Why are we all pigeonholed as red light breaking city centre cyclists .

    I drive all day and all I see is cars breaking lights , crash’s on the m50 daily, traffic jams and people on phones driving .

    At the end of the day ireland is still overwhelmingly a car dominated and car dependent country. The mighty car has been engrained so much I irish group think that people can’t inagine life without it. And generally drivers can do no wrong - it’s always the cyclists or pedestrians fault. I had a driver le tyre me about how I should be more responsible for my own road safety when he overtook me and left hooked me across a cycling lane a few months ago. That’s the general attitude out there.

    As noted by me an others here on other threads, follow the comments in social media when cycling comes up. Mass hysteria. Helmets, insurance, hi vis, “road tax”, etc. Very little commentary on slowing down, leave earlier, stop putting people needlessly at risk.

    Theres been two hit and runs this week reported in the media - one in west Dublin, 3 people critically injured when a car mounted a path. A young boy also hurt in a hit and run in Kerry. Neither of these stories raised barely a comment in the media. Says it all, it’s like it’s just accepted these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Don’t Newstalk love just bringing up “drivers v cyclists “ . I listened to most of it today . Feels like every couple of days they bring it up .
    Ciara Kelly was told by her guest that dayglow and Helmets wouldn’t save you from getting crushed by a truck . Delighted she made that point . Not that she seemed to take on the guests point of view .
    She couldn’t wait to read out the usual guff about red light breaking etc to finish up.

    Why is it always thought that cyclists don’t drive or pay tax . Why are we all pigeonholed as red light breaking city centre cyclists .

    I drive all day and all I see is cars breaking lights , crash’s on the m50 daily, traffic jams and people on phones driving .



    You can always be assured of tuning into a fair and well-reasoned debate on cyclist safety on Newstalk.... sponsored by VOLVO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,347 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Don’t Newstalk love just bringing up “drivers v cyclists “ . I listened to most of it today . Feels like every couple of days they bring it up .
    Ciara Kelly was told by her guest that dayglow and Helmets wouldn’t save you from getting crushed by a truck . Delighted she made that point . Not that she seemed to take on the guests point of view .
    She couldn’t wait to read out the usual guff about red light breaking etc to finish up.

    Why is it always thought that cyclists don’t drive or pay tax . Why are we all pigeonholed as red light breaking city centre cyclists .

    I drive all day and all I see is cars breaking lights , crash’s on the m50 daily, traffic jams and people on phones driving .
    Doc Ciara was on today about the obesity crisis and sugar tax. And her own station plays a significant role in attacking cycling - probably the single biggest missed opportunity to address our obesity and other health crisis's.

    https://twitter.com/Byclemore/status/991472271926611968


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Duckjob wrote: »
    You can always be assured of tuning into a fair and well-reasoned debate on cyclist safety on Newstalk.... sponsored by VOLVO

    Usually held at peak commuting time as well - realise this is a bank holiday. It’ll usually grate in the disgruntled motorists who’s stuck in a 20% full vehicle on a journey that can more often than not be done by cycling, using public transport or (gasp!) walking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Being kind, you could say that they are simply serving their target market - the frazzled commuter-rat motorist.

    I just would appreciate their honesty if they acknowledged that due to their obvious bias, they're not going to be in a position to add anything useful to the cyclist safety discussion. That would be somewhat refreshing.

    However, instead of honesty we get the regular "debates" where free reign is given to all the same ridiculous old chestnuts - red light breaking, hi-viz, helmets, "road tax" (tm), compulsory licencing and insurance etc. Its like a worn-old record going around and around.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,347 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Duckjob wrote: »
    Being kind, you could say that they are simply serving their target market - the frazzled commuter-rat motorist.

    They have a potentially huge market in public transport users, and some cyclists too, but they don't really seem to have noticed that.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,272 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i would bet my bottom dollar that 95%+ of gardai get to work in cars and their sympathy would be skewed in that direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    ‘Menace to society’ drunk driver jailed after hobbling away from crash

    sounds like the cyclist was very lucky to come off so lightly.


  • Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    5 years, have to say I had a raised brow given the judge involved.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Who was the judge (article is behind paywall)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,272 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    martin nolan.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,272 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    just heard an ad on the radio for tomorrow's irish times: "we meet people who have lost family members while cycling; the healthy pasttime which is fraught with danger'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    i would bet my bottom dollar that 95%+ of gardai get to work in cars and their sympathy would be skewed in that direction.

    Right: Rathfarnham Station
    Left: Personal cars of Rathfarnham Gardai

    v1G8DQQ.jpg

    Footpath is in bits from being torn up by them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    ‘Menace to society’ drunk driver jailed after hobbling away from crash

    sounds like the cyclist was very lucky to come off so lightly.

    Very, very unusual for a driver who hits a cyclist to get more than a suspended sentence!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    “Never cycle in Ireland”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-cycling-fatalities-never-cycle-in-ireland-1.3488223?mode=amp

    Story is repeated on the IT Facebook page. Comments so far put the blame on the cyclists. A car dominated country with a very low sense of personal responsibility, dangerous mix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Pinch Flat wrote: »

    This is why we need to push hard for the building of the full Greater Dublin Area Cycle Network - launched five years ago to cover Dublin, Kildare, Meath and Wicklow https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/comprehensive-cycle-network-plan-published-to-increase-regions-cycle-network-5-fold-in-length-to-2840-kilometres/

    In 2013 when the plan for the Greater Dublin Area Cycle Network was launched, the ideal was envisaged as:
    In short, this represents a new transport network for the Greater Dublin Area, with a target in 2021 of 75,000 cycle users each morning, which is a three-fold increase in cycling over 2011 levels. In other words, the cycle network could carry as many commuters in the morning in 2021 as are now carried by bus.

    95,000 people are now cycling through Dublin every day, on the same dangerously crappy shared space with cars, buses, trams, vans, trucks, cement mixers and in some places articulated lorries - we need this network of protected lanes now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    The Irish Times's editorial on the need to build a safe cycling infrastructure network immediately https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-cycling-infrastructure-time-to-get-moving-1.3492024
    Given that the number of cyclists in Dublin city has more than doubled over the past six years, with an estimated 95,000 people using bikes every day, there is a moral onus on the Government to invest in protecting them – and, by doing so, encourage even more to take up cycling. It is not as if there is no money available. For example, €550 million was spent on a full-scale motorway between Gort and Tuam in Co Galway that is anticipated to reach a mere quarter of its design capacity in 2030. By prioritising road investment, the Department of Transport has obviously forgotten about its own Smarter Travel strategy, unveiled in 2009, which promised to support more sustainable modes, including cycling. Bureaucratic inertia, misguided notions that we must go on catering for motorised traffic and the absence of a strong political commitment to make this happen are all standing in the way of progress.

    and
    Seville, in the south of Spain, where hardly anyone used bikes, invested €32 million in an extensive network of cycleways between 2006 and 2010 that now caters for 70,000 trips per day. “Build it and they will come” was the motto. And they did, in great numbers. Perhaps [Minister for Transport Shane] Ross should take a trip there to see what can be done.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,272 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the irish times have two companion articles, which were not posted to facebook.

    How to reduce cycling deaths and accidents in Ireland
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/how-to-reduce-cycling-deaths-and-accidents-in-ireland-1.3484062

    Irish cycling accidents: a graphical guide
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/irish-cycling-accidents-a-graphical-guide-1.3492008

    there's an unfortunate subhead on the first one, a reference to cyclists cycling more responsibly, which is not correlated to anything in the article as far as i can see.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,272 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    also this, one of the main editorials:

    The Irish Times view on cycling infrastructure: time to get moving
    There is a moral onus on the Government to invest in protecting cyclists
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-cycling-infrastructure-time-to-get-moving-1.3492024


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