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Pavee point criticise judge for telling truth

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  • #272
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Haven’t noticed them driving passats, but they really have a thing for the avensis. Back in the 80’s/90’s almost every traveller drove a hiace, and seemingly overnight they all switched to the avensis. Wonder why that was, and what’s the obsession with toyotas.

    I posted these in a different forum in a different context a while back but relevant here too.

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  • #273
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    CeilingFly wrote: »
    In excess of 30% of travellers have criminal convictions that resulted in a prison sentence

    I can't find figures for those convicted of a crime that resulted in a non custodial sentence, but at a guess you are looking at probably 35-40% having a criminal conviction.

    In my book, any group with that level of convictions for criminal acts is a criminally minded group of people.

    it is a community with a criminal element. a criminally minded community would suggest that all within the community are involved in criminality, they aren't.
    CeilingFly wrote: »
    Another point is that substantial funds have been thrown at the traveller "community" and a massive amount of supports have been developed - and yet there is no drop in the criminality within the community

    Hence time to end their protective status

    their protected status won't be ended, because it's necessary. it was introduced for good reason.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #274
    Fred Swanson
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  • #275
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    sligojoek wrote: »
    I posted these in a different forum in a different context a while back but relevant here too.

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    2zqczd4.jpg

    Avensi?


  • #276
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    corner of hells wrote: »
    What a comment , you actually wonder if her cousin or husband attacked her because she didn't appear injured enough in order to make that claim that successful.
    Travellers are bad enough themselves without ****e like that being posted.

    Why? Traveller women are 30 times more likely to suffer domestic violence. In fact, the figure may be higher as studies have found that domestic violence is so entrenched in the traveller community that both perpetrators and victims may not even see violence as an issue.

    https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/WP18%20MA%20Domestic%20Violence%20Travelling%20Community.pdf

    The romantic notion some people appear to have of travellers as close-knit families of nomads, wandering about in their half-round wagons looking for pots to repair, or sitting by the campfire at night telling stories, is very far from the truth.


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  • #277
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    end of the road wrote: »
    it is a community with a criminal element. a criminally minded community would suggest that all within the community are involved in criminality, they aren't.



    their protected status won't be ended, because it's necessary. it was introduced for good reason.

    Thank you.


  • #278
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    end of the road wrote: »
    their protected status won't be ended, because it's necessary. it was introduced for good reason.
    What would that good reason be then?


  • #279
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    What would that good reason be then?

    May I answer that end_of _the_road? Thank you

    The excellent reason is to outlaw the wholesale discrimination in this thread.

    To call a person bad simply because of the race or culture or group they happen to be born into.

    I have had problems with the behaviour of men who happened to be travellers; but the kindnesses I have also had from men who happened to be travellers far outweighs the bad, by far.

    And conversely, have had problems with folk who were not travellers.
    and kindnesses also.

    And I thus take each person as they present and act.

    What has made discrimination worse is attitudes like those expressed here as words carry a huge weight and influence

    So I say to take everyone at face value.

    Oh someone expressed pity for the women.
    There is a video of a mass traveller eviction in the UK that shows the women are as feisty as they need to be .

    Ok I am off.. And thank you for enabling me to think this through and make m own mind up


  • #280
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    What would that good reason be then?

    The excellent reason is to outlaw the wholesale discrimination in this thread.
    So to prevent discrimination, something already illegal, they created a whole new ethnic group?
    Anyhow nobody is suggesting that all travellers are thieving scumbags or cowardly wife beaters: just that proportionally more are than the general population.
    Also the spokespeople for travellers such as Pavee Point get into a strop if thwre is anything negative said about the group but never comment on the inconvenient facts!


  • #281
    Marty Sergerson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Marty Sergerson


    From that article it seems the Judge was asking questions about the Traveller community. Maybe he wants to understand why these flare-ups happen at these particular events.

    He is entitled to be curious about it and ask questions that could help the defendant to understand his own motives.

    I don't think to jump on these comments/questions as racism helps Pavee Points cause. Maybe that judge sees a pattern and his basic human curiosity wants to solve the pattern.

    I'm putting these as all Maybe's because I don't know the Judge's motivations.


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  • #282
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Also the spokespeople for travellers such as Pavee Point get into a strop if thwre is anything negative said about the group but never comment on the inconvenient facts!

    Because that's not their aim....they are just an advocacy group that pushes for more and more. Highlighting the negative elements of their "culture" would only serve against that; so as far as Pavee Point are concerned, no traveller has ever done a single thing untoward a settled person....ever!


  • #283
    A Pint of Goo
    Site Banned Posts: 218 ✭✭A Pint of Goo


    Amazing how the bleeding hearts never show empathy to the victims of traveller crime.


  • #284
    Defunkd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    Amazing how the bleeding hearts never show empathy to the victims of traveller crime.

    It must have been karmic realignment that they suffered at the hands of travellers. The travellers themselves were just agents of Cosmic justice and bear no responsibility for their actions.


  • #285
    [Deleted User]
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    but the kindnesses I have also had from men who happened to be travellers far outweighs the bad, by far.

    You'd be in the minority with that POV I'd suggest, by far.


  • #286
    Uncharted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Avensi?

    Avensi-ception....


  • #287
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    Amazing how the bleeding hearts never show empathy to the victims of traveller crime.


    Also the fact that travellers are far more "racist" than settled people.

    Yet we never hear of any condemnation from the do gooders for traveller racism against settled people.


  • #288
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    There is serious discrimination. Why am I not allowed to leave rubbish where I like, ill treat animals, do as I want on public roads etc. We are the one's being discriminated against.


  • #289
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Discodog wrote: »
    There is serious discrimination. Why am I not allowed to leave rubbish where I like, ill treat animals, do as I want on public roads etc. We are the one's being discriminated against.


    we aren't discriminated against, and travelers aren't allowed to do any of what you mention under the laws of the land. if the authorities aren't enforcing the law in your area, campaign for them to do so, demand that they do. demand your local politicians to seek funding for the resources needed. it's as simple as that. make law enforcement an election issue.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #290
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    end of the road wrote: »
    we aren't discriminated against, and travelers aren't allowed to do any of what you mention under the laws of the land. if the authorities aren't enforcing the law in your area, campaign for them to do so, demand that they do. demand your local politicians to seek funding for the resources needed. it's as simple as that. make law enforcement an election issue.

    I lived beside travellers a few years ago. When the bin charges came in they were constantly robbing bins on the road and leaving them out in the hope that they wouldn't have to pay (they were stupid because each bin had to be tagged at €6 a go). We constantly complained to councillors etc about the bins going missing.

    What do think happened then?

    Discrimination against them? No. The council provided them with a large steel bin on wheels between all the families which was collected free of charge. I know this because

    (A) I saw the bin

    (B) the bins stopped being robbed

    (C) I got talking to one of the men one night as he used to park his car just down from our house.


  • #291
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I lived beside travellers a few years ago. When the bin charges came in they were constantly robbing bins on the road and leaving them out in the hope that they wouldn't have to pay (they were stupid because each bin had to be tagged at €6 a go). We constantly complained to councillors etc about the bins going missing.

    What do think happened then?

    Discrimination against them? No. The council provided them with a large steel bin on wheels between all the families which was collected free of charge. I know this because

    (A) I saw the bin

    (B) the bins stopped being robbed

    (C) I got talking to one of the men one night as he used to park his car just down from our house.

    i'm glad the council did something to stop the bins from being robbed. as it should be. that is their job.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #292
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    end of the road wrote: »
    i'm glad the council did something to stop the bins from being robbed. as it should be. that is their job.


    Free bins for travellers how is that not discrimination against settled people ?


  • #293
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    end of the road wrote: »
    i'm glad the council did something to stop the bins from being robbed. as it should be. that is their job.

    At the expense of the tax payers as usual.

    My house or property even if I own it doesn't get fire safety checks done by each council but they do.


  • #294
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    end of the road wrote: »
    we aren't discriminated against, and travelers aren't allowed to do any of what you mention under the laws of the land. if the authorities aren't enforcing the law in your area, campaign for them to do so, demand that they do. demand your local politicians to seek funding for the resources needed. it's as simple as that. make law enforcement an election issue.

    None of those are simple & none of them will work with travelers.


  • #295
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    end of the road wrote: »
    i'm glad the council did something to stop the bins from being robbed. as it should be. that is their job.

    Ohh look eotr conveniently ignored the key point of the story where travelers get a free pass for the crimes they committed as well as their garbage getting collected for free while settled people pick up the bill


  • #296
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Discodog wrote: »
    None of those are simple & none of them will work with travelers.


    Now that travellers are a protected "ethnic minority" it be very hard for the authorities to go after them when it comes to low level crime like fly tipping etc.


  • #297
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Free bins for travellers how is that not discrimination against settled people ?

    because they wouldn't have gotten them because they are travelers presumably.
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Now that travellers are a protected "ethnic minority" it be very hard for the authorities to go after them when it comes to low level crime like fly tipping etc.

    it really wouldn't. fly tipping is a crime whoever caries it out. being a protected minority doesn't exempt one from the law.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #298
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    At the expense of the tax payers as usual.

    My house or property even if I own it doesn't get fire safety checks done by each council but they do.

    presumably that's because you own your property. council properties including haulting sites i'd imagine are legally required to meet certain fire safety standards also, and therefore it is the responsibility of the owner to insure they meet the requirements.
    Discodog wrote: »
    None of those are simple & none of them will work with travelers.

    why won't it work with travelers.
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ohh look eotr conveniently ignored the key point of the story where travelers get a free pass for the crimes they committed as well as their garbage getting collected for free while settled people pick up the bill

    i didn't ignore it. however the greater priority was stopping people's bins from being robbed, and insuring the rubbish was collected.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #299
    [Deleted User]
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i'm glad the council did something to stop the bins from being robbed. as it should be. that is their job.

    That’s the equivalent of giving a bold child sweets to stop him being bold while the good child gets nothing. What message is that sending out? Let’s reward c*nty behaviour. Awful approach really.


  • #300
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I want you to read this unreal and frankly bizarre claim and also check out who thanked it. Deluded.

    end of the road, I’ve grown to like you from our interactions on another forum but while I have you here, I was wondering if you could comment honestly on the above? Why did you thank the outrageous and outlandish claim by Joeytheparrot that settled people often dump their rubbish on travellers sites?


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  • #301
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That’s the equivalent of giving a bold child sweets to stop him being bold while the good child gets nothing. What message is that sending out? Let’s reward c*nty behaviour. Awful approach really.


    agreed but at the end of the day, it's ultimately about practicality and problem management given travelers can, will, and do move around quite quickly where needed. the authorities can certainly do a hell of a lot better however, but that requires funding and resources which the government refuse to give them.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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