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  • #242
    MattressRick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭MattressRick


    Good for nothing wasters. It's all take, they give nothing absolutely nothing to society besides hassle, abuse and bother. If they wreck the halting sites let them sit in their own ****.


  • #243
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MattressRick wrote: »
    Good for nothing wasters. It's all take, they give nothing absolutely nothing to society besides hassle, abuse and bother. If they wreck the halting sites let them sit in their own ****.

    No, that's the settled folks coming in and doing that.


  • #244
    Uncharted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    I remember being involved in the development of the Cherrywood site where Dell etc are now,back in 1999/2000. Back then it was a green field site and the 'cousins' arrived onto the site compound.
    They set up camp for 2 weeks,about 7 families of them and demanded money to leave. A 4 figure sum at the time.
    After some deliberation,it was decided that if they wanted to be there...so be it.
    I took immense joy at digging a metre deep trench all around their confines and they were trapped in.
    About 3 days later,they pleaded to be released.
    Scumbags.


  • #245
    Filmer Paradise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Uncharted wrote: »
    I remember being involved in the development of the Cherrywood site where Dell etc are now,back in 1999/2000. Back then it was a green field site and the 'cousins' arrived onto the site compound.
    They set up camp for 2 weeks,about 7 families of them and demanded money to leave. A 4 figure sum at the time.
    After some deliberation,it was decided that if they wanted to be there...so be it.
    I took immense joy at digging a metre deep trench all around their confines and they were trapped in.
    About 3 days later,they pleaded to be released.
    Scumbags.

    Oh Jesus. That’s Class! ðŸ‘


  • #246
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Uncharted wrote: »
    I remember being involved in the development of the Cherrywood site where Dell etc are now,back in 1999/2000. Back then it was a green field site and the 'cousins' arrived onto the site compound.
    They set up camp for 2 weeks,about 7 families of them and demanded money to leave. A 4 figure sum at the time.
    After some deliberation,it was decided that if they wanted to be there...so be it.
    I took immense joy at digging a metre deep trench all around their confines and they were trapped in.
    About 3 days later,they pleaded to be released.
    Scumbags.

    There were a few of those attempts at extortion during the boom - I know of one case in the south west of the country where the developer solved the problem by setting up large generator-driven site lights shining on the caravans all night every night. Between the noise and the permanent daylight, the would-be blackmailers only lasted 5 days before packing it in and moving on.


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  • #247
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Gravelly wrote: »
    There were a few of those attempts at extortion during the boom - I know of one case in the south west of the country where the developer solved the problem by setting up large generator-driven site lights shining on the caravans all night every night. Between the noise and the permanent daylight, the would-be blackmailers only lasted 5 days before packing it in and moving on.
    ...and none of the equipment was stolen or stripped for parts? :eek:


  • #248
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    ...and none of the equipment was stolen or stripped for parts? :eek:

    Let's just say the site was located in a place where the local security wasn't the type you'd mess with.


  • #249
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Turns out now the guards think my father's house is been watched due to 3 of these said person's leaving a note on a car in the garden.

    They cyclyed straight to the house and CCTV clearly shows them placing note.

    Scum bags I do hope to see them soon.


  • #250
    Milkman..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Milkman..


    Uncharted wrote: »
    I remember being involved in the development of the Cherrywood site where Dell etc are now,back in 1999/2000. Back then it was a green field site and the 'cousins' arrived onto the site compound.
    They set up camp for 2 weeks,about 7 families of them and demanded money to leave. A 4 figure sum at the time.
    After some deliberation,it was decided that if they wanted to be there...so be it.
    I took immense joy at digging a metre deep trench all around their confines and they were trapped in.
    About 3 days later,they pleaded to be released.
    Scumbags.

    The best one ever was where they set up camp outside a meat plant

    Next thing a few skips full of offal was parked beside the caravans


  • #251
    Red_Wake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    Milkman.. wrote: »
    Uncharted wrote: »
    I remember being involved in the development of  the Cherrywood site where Dell etc are now,back in 1999/2000.    Back then it was a green field site and the 'cousins' arrived onto the site compound.
    They set up camp for 2 weeks,about 7 families of them and demanded money to leave. A 4 figure sum at the time.
    After some deliberation,it was decided that if they wanted to be there...so be it.  
    I took immense joy at digging a metre deep trench all around their confines and they were trapped in.
    About 3 days later,they pleaded to be released.
    Scumbags.

    The best one ever was where they set up camp outside a meat plant

    Next thing a few skips full of offal was parked beside the caravans
    Probably the first time travellers complained about a smell.


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  • #252
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Milkman.. wrote: »
    The best one ever was where they set up camp outside a meat plant

    Next thing a few skips full of offal was parked beside the caravans

    Reminds me of the Simpsons with the rendering plant and the 2 workers going do you smell that....
    Homer was viewing their new house.


    Hilarious


  • #253
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/injury-claims-quashed-as-garda-says-damage-in-photographs-not-the-damage-i-saw-at-scene-36866604.html Another good news story of a bogus road traffic accident claim being thrown out by a judge. That is 2 this week thrown out. Justice for these vermin.


  • #254
    Odelay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/injury-claims-quashed-as-garda-says-damage-in-photographs-not-the-damage-i-saw-at-scene-36866604.html Another good news story of a bogus road traffic accident claim being thrown out by a judge. That is 2 this week thrown out. Justice for these vermin.

    Jeekers they are soo discriminated against. All them settled people crashing into them:(


  • #255
    CeilingFly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/injury-claims-quashed-as-garda-says-damage-in-photographs-not-the-damage-i-saw-at-scene-36866604.html Another good news story of a bogus road traffic accident claim being thrown out by a judge. That is 2 this week thrown out. Justice for these vermin.
    Isn't it quite amazing that Pavee Point are out protesting about a judge's very valid comments within a couple of hours, yet there is a deafening silence from them on two other very public cases where it is quite obvious that travellers are attempting to defraud insurance companies and lie under oath in court.

    How they expect one iota of respect from normal society when they are ao silent on that type of criminality by their own group.

    Sorry mr Collins & co., but travellers are a criminally minded group of people who should be treated as they treat others. Eg- no respect


  • #256
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    CeilingFly wrote: »
    Isn't it quite amazing that Pavee Point are out protesting about a judge's very valid comments within a couple of hours, yet there is a deafening silence from them on two other very public cases where it is quite obvious that travellers are attempting to defraud insurance companies and lie under oath in court.

    How they expect one iota of respect from normal society when they are ao silent on that type of criminality by their own group.

    Sorry mr Collins & co., but travellers are a criminally minded group of people who should be treated as they treat others. Eg- no respect

    I work in social care regularly with homeless travellers , Pavee Point are the last place I'd ever contact.


  • #257
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I work in social care regularly with homeless travellers , Pavee Point are the last place I'd ever contact.

    That's an interesting discription regarding your work aspect.

    I was always under the impression that part of being a "Traveller",culturally,was one's very definite inability or desire to have a "Fixed Abode".

    This was the single greatest individual marker of the Culture,to those who were not an integral part of it.

    We are all travellers,at various points of our lives,but even the best travelled of the settled community will find themselves unable to satisfy the State that their travels should grant them a protected status and access to supports not widely available to settled folk.

    To an outsider it can be somewhat confusing,whereas to the rest of us it's more perplexing :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #258
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/injury-claims-quashed-as-garda-says-damage-in-photographs-not-the-damage-i-saw-at-scene-36866604.html Another good news story of a bogus road traffic accident claim being thrown out by a judge. That is 2 this week thrown out. Justice for these vermin.
    Each of the plantiffs said they sustained soft tissue injuries to the neck and back, while Julianne McDonagh said she sustained a fracture to her rib.

    An x-ray report indicated that Ms McDonagh had fractured her rib, but the evidence heard that none of the passengers complained of any injuries at the scene of the accident.

    So she broke her rib after the incident...........


  • #259
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    So she broke her rib after the incident...........

    Wonder if her cousin/husband broke it when he heard she hadn't feigned injury at the site of the accident.


  • #260
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,513 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    CeilingFly wrote: »
    Isn't it quite amazing that Pavee Point are out protesting about a judge's very valid comments within a couple of hours, yet there is a deafening silence from them on two other very public cases where it is quite obvious that travellers are attempting to defraud insurance companies and lie under oath in court.

    no, because it's not their job to actually comment on anything. the cases went to court, they were thrown out, nothing more to say on the matter.
    CeilingFly wrote: »
    How they expect one iota of respect from normal society when they are ao silent on that type of criminality by their own group.

    normal society don't have to respect them, just not discriminate against them because traveler.
    CeilingFly wrote: »
    Sorry mr Collins & co., but travellers are a criminally minded group of people who should be treated as they treat others. Eg- no respect

    no, they aren't. there are criminals in the traveling community, and there are non-criminals in the traveling community. therefore they are not a "criminally minded community" and they will eventually be treated as everyone else, because the laws will get more and more restrictive to eliminate the discrimination they face.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #261
    dublinbuster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 168 ✭✭dublinbuster


    “culture of savagery”
    i like it.
    the pendulum is starting swing back the other way, the left has pushed it to far and now the vast majority of the public have had enough, you can sense it every day, the days of PC thinking are coming to a end, people are starting once again to call a spade a spade.


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  • #262
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    That's an interesting discription regarding your work aspect.

    I was always under the impression that part of being a "Traveller",culturally,was one's very definite inability or desire to have a "Fixed Abode".

    This was the single greatest individual marker of the Culture,to those who were not an integral part of it.

    We are all travellers,at various points of our lives,but even the best travelled of the settled community will find themselves unable to satisfy the State that their travels should grant them a protected status and access to supports not widely available to settled folk.

    To an outsider it can be somewhat confusing,whereas to the rest of us it's more perplexing :)

    I work in a low threshold service so individuals accessing may suffer from addiction, mental I'll health etc. So in effect they are homeless.

    I understand what you're saying , though I think less and less travellers are living that nomadic lifestyle.


  • #263
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Wonder if her cousin/husband broke it when he heard she hadn't feigned injury at the site of the accident.

    What a comment , you actually wonder if her cousin or husband attacked her because she didn't appear injured enough in order to make that claim that successful.
    Travellers are bad enough themselves without ****e like that being posted.


  • #264
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    TRAVELLER WOMEN are proportionately 30 times as likely as settled women to suffer domestic violence, while migrant women are more than twice as likely to suffer domestic violence than Irish women, according to a report published yesterday.

    “Likewise, Traveller women only make up 0.5 per cent of the Irish population but represent 15 per cent of all gender-based violence services.”
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/traveller-women-30-times-more-likely-to-suffer-domestic-violence-report-1.707916

    It's from 2009 but I can't imagine it's changed much since then.


  • #265
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,852 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    dublinbuster wrote: »
    “culture of savagery”
    i like it.
    the pendulum is starting swing back the other way, the left has pushed it to far and now the vast majority of the public have had enough, you can sense it every day, the days of PC thinking are coming to a end, people are starting once again to call a spade a spade.
    If only.


  • #266
    CeilingFly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    end of the road wrote: »
    no, they aren't. there are criminals in the traveling community, and there are non-criminals in the traveling community. therefore they are not a "criminally minded community" and they will eventually be treated as everyone else, because the laws will get more and more restrictive to eliminate the discrimination they face.

    In excess of 30% of travellers have criminal convictions that resulted in a prison sentence

    I can't find figures for those convicted of a crime that resulted in a non custodial sentence, but at a guess you are looking at probably 35-40% having a criminal conviction.

    In my book, any group with that level of convictions for criminal acts is a criminally minded group of people.


    Another point is that substantial funds have been thrown at the traveller "community" and a massive amount of supports have been developed - and yet there is no drop in the criminality within the community

    Hence time to end their protective status


  • #267
    [Deleted User]
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    CeilingFly wrote: »
    In excess of 30% of travellers have criminal convictions that resulted in a prison sentence

    I can't find figures for those convicted of a crime that resulted in a non custodial sentence, but at a guess you are looking at probably 35-40% having a criminal conviction.

    In my book, any group with that level of convictions for criminal acts is a criminally minded group of people.


    African Americans is the usual comeback here... just a heads up.


  • #268
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #269
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    A lot of African Americans are just the American equivalent of the dole scrounging, Nike/Adidas tracksuit wearing, Amber Leaf smoking, Dutch Gold drinking, Celtic supporting scumbags we have in Ireland. Except they play the race card.

    Irish Travellers are the same but worse here in Ireland and in The UK most go around taking down ESB wires, telephone wires and railway equipment. In order to sell the copper. I heard of a whole town in England that was left without power because these bastards took down their electricity wires.

    They call themselves a Nomadic tribe so maybe we should sent them to Africa or the Amazon Jungle to live with the rest of the world ethnic Nomadic tribes. One of these days the native Irish will wake up and decide we have had enough of all the PC cultural Marxist brigade, Immigrants, travellers and people who think that there are over a million genders.


  • #270
    A Pint of Goo
    Site Banned Posts: 218 ✭✭A Pint of Goo


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I want you to read this unreal and frankly bizarre claim and also check out who thanked it. Deluded.

    Good God. If you're going to defend travellers at least keep it believable.


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  • #271
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Given ethnic minority status by politicians who live nowhere near them or have to deal the scum. I would love a few caravans to turn up on Enda Kennys land.


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