Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

Bazzo · 03-05-2018 10:18AM

launish116 wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more with that! We need someone like Myler. Someone who can help McPhilips with game management! Still believe Piernarr could do that and could help more than one position. (Regardless of history/uproar of him leaving).

Buer couldn’t of hit the nail on the head better.

It's never going to happen. They'd have to pay, what a million? just to buy him out of the next 2 years of his Montpellier contract, before they even started paying his wage!

Utah_Saint · 03-05-2018 10:19AM

still think he'd be better going to Connacht if he needs game time...

launish116 · 03-05-2018 10:22AM

Bazzo wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more with that! We need someone like Myler. Someone who can help McPhilips with game management! Still believe Piernarr could do that and could help more than one position. (Regardless of history/uproar of him leaving).

Buer couldn’t of hit the nail on the head better.

It's never going to happen. They'd have to pay, what a million? just to buy him out of the next 2 years of his Montpellier contract, before they even started paying his wage!

Regardless Myler, Piernarr, Gopperth type player is what Ulster need.
There was a time when the IRFU told Ulster to start producing their own players. Blocked injury cover, kicked players out. Now there trying to force players/out-half in front of our own developing outhalf. Funny how times change, sarcasm btw.

irishbucsfan · 03-05-2018 10:27AM

launish116 wrote: »

Regardless Myler, Piernarr, Gopperth type player is what Ulster need.
There was a time when the IRFU told Ulster to start producing their own players. Blocked injury cover, kicked players out. Now there trying to force players/out-half in front of our own developing outhalf. Funny how times change, sarcasm btw.

'Your own developing out half' was brought to Ulster through the IRFU's IQ program wasn't he?

This is an example of the IRFU actively trying to help Ulster and yet they're still the bad guys here!

errlloyd · 03-05-2018 10:28AM

Wasps is clearly a shambles. Grab yourself Jimmy Gopperth or Lima Soponga as the whole thing falls apart.

launish116 · 03-05-2018 10:37AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Regardless Myler, Piernarr, Gopperth type player is what Ulster need.
There was a time when the IRFU told Ulster to start producing their own players. Blocked injury cover, kicked players out. Now there trying to force players/out-half in front of our own developing outhalf. Funny how times change, sarcasm btw.

'Your own developing out half' was brought to Ulster through the IRFU's IQ program wasn't he?

This is an example of the IRFU actively trying to help Ulster and yet they're still the bad guys here!

Brought here yes, developing well here yes. Some would say IRFU have done as much damage as help in the past for Ulster.
Now to be potentially put on the bench to develop another player potentially being brought here for game time and then jump ship? McPhilips has been one of the bright point in Ulster's season.
Tell me how denying McPhilips/lowry game time for a stop gap player, isn't making the IRFU the bad guy? It would be understandable if Cadbury was intending to commit to Ulster for several years but as rumoured it does turn out true and to be 1 year, that says all you need to know.
There is no doubt Cadbury is a very talented player stuck in ****y horlix of a situation. The IRFU need to realise players aren't chess pieces and can't be move or harassed.

prawnsambo · 03-05-2018 10:38AM

launish116 wrote: »

Brought here yes, developing well here yes. Some would say IRFU have done as much damage as help in the past for Ulster.
Now to be potentially put on the bench to develop another player potentially being brought here for game time and then jump ship? McPhilips has been one of the bright point in Ulster's season.
Tell me how denying McPhilips/lowry game time for a stop gap player, isn't making the IRFU the bad guy? It would be understandable if Cadbury was intending to commit to Ulster for several years but as rumoured it does turn out true and to be 1 year, that says all you need to know.
There is no doubt Cadbury is a very talented player stuck in ****y horlix of a situation. The IRFU need to realise players aren't chess pieces and can't be move or harassed.

Why do you keep calling him Cadbury?

irishbucsfan · 03-05-2018 10:48AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Why do you keep calling him Cadbury?

I assume it's autocorrect!

irishbucsfan · 03-05-2018 10:48AM

launish116 wrote: »

Brought here yes, developing well here yes. Some would say IRFU have done as much damage as help in the past for Ulster.
Now to be potentially put on the bench to develop another player potentially being brought here for game time and then jump ship? McPhilips has been one of the bright point in Ulster's season.
Tell me how denying McPhilips/lowry game time for a stop gap player, isn't making the IRFU the bad guy? It would be understandable if Cadbury was intending to commit to Ulster for several years but as rumoured it does turn out true and to be 1 year, that says all you need to know.
There is no doubt Cadbury is a very talented player stuck in ****y horlix of a situation. The IRFU need to realise players aren't chess pieces and can't be move or harassed.

Because he is better than both. Theoretically.

And Ulster need someone to start at 10 next season.

Squidgy Black · 03-05-2018 10:51AM

Ulster don't actually have to take Carbery..... there's no indication that they're forcing Ulster to take him into the team, or even forcing them to start him.

But I'd imagine they're delighted at the thoughts of it. McPhilips will still get gametime during the 6 Nations and training camps etc.

launish116 · 03-05-2018 10:56AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Why do you keep calling him Cadbury?

Mixture of auto correct and lunch time lol.

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Because he is better than both. Theoretically.

And Ulster need someone to start at 10 next season.

Ulster need someone to balance the workload and give them both direction and experience. Not someone to jump in take gametime for a year and leave them two in the same position as this year.

irishfan9 · 03-05-2018 11:02AM

Some rare good news for Ulster fans, Marcell Coetzee is aiming to be back on the pitch in the coming days and is set to be fit for the start of the season. If they can get him fit it would make some difference, horrendous run of luck.

launish116 · 03-05-2018 11:12AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

Some rare good news for Ulster fans, Marcell Coetzee is aiming to be back on the pitch in the coming days and is set to be fit for the start of the season. If they can get him fit it would make some difference, horrendous run of luck.

Truely a game changer, throw in Murphy and that's one hell of a start to a backrow. Truly believe if Rea can recover his current injury and gets a full pro pre-season he will progress again next season.
If I was one of the academy backrows coming through I'd bite the arm of anyone for a chance to learn or have game time with them two.

jacothelad · 03-05-2018 11:32AM

awec wrote: »

Johnny McPhillips has probably played more pro-level games at 10 than Joey Carbery has. If he hasn't, it's surely very close. What exactly is he supposed to learn from him?

irishfan9 wrote: »

Who has said Joey was coming in to teach McPhillips?

Correct. It's the other way round. Joey has come to learn from the more experienced McPhillips....;)

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It may not be better than signing an experienced NIQ 10, but beggars can't be choosers.

That's a bit harsh on Carbery. I really think he should have a CHOICE.:rolleyes:

Squidgy Black · 03-05-2018 11:41AM

jacothelad wrote: »

That's a bit harsh on Carbery. I really think he should have a CHOICE.:rolleyes:

#VoteYesForChoice

launish116 · 03-05-2018 12:27PM

Be interesting to see if this move materialises before a potential Ospreys play off and what will happen if ulster end up in the challenge cup?

Podge_irl · 03-05-2018 12:38PM

launish116 wrote: »

Be interesting to see if this move materialises before a potential Ospreys play off and what will happen if ulster end up in the challenge cup?

There is no way he is moving to play in the Challenge Cup. Even if announced before a play-off they will just cancel the move.

stephen_n · 03-05-2018 12:53PM

awec wrote: »

Ah here IBF.

The whole point in him going is to get game time at 10. The IRFU are not going to throw money at him, he isn't coming for a love of Ulster and he certainly isn't coming to win trophies. Can we take a step back into reality and away from this utopian dreamworld you currently inhabit?

He absolutely is being promised a place. He may not start every single week, but he is undoubtedly being told he will be the main man at Ulster.

If the IRFU could promise his place at a province, he’d be staying put. It’s already been made abundantly clear they can’t do it at Leinster, but you think the rules are different at Ulster? Your paranoia about the IRFU is astounding.

Dubinusa · 03-05-2018 12:54PM

Apparently Leo rates Byrne a better 10? The IRFU should be letting players make their own decisions. Arm twisting is not ideal. McPhillips most likely will be pissed off about this.
Personally , I think McPhillips will be a serious player and a possible international in the coming years.

launish116 · 03-05-2018 12:58PM

stephen_n wrote: »

If the IRFU could promise his place at a province, he’d be staying put. It’s already been made abundantly clear they can’t do it at Leinster, but you think the rules are different at Ulster? Your paranoia about the IRFU is astounding.

I'm with Awec on this. Just look at Payne and his positioning to suit Ireland at Ulster? When he was needed as full back.

Dubinusa wrote: »

Apparently Leo rates Byrne a better 10? The IRFU should be letting players make their own decisions. Arm twisting is not ideal. McPhillips most likely will be pissed off about this.
Personally , I think McPhillips will be a serious player and a possible international in the coming years.

Agreed and Lowry is rated high apparently. This move does nothing for either of them. Honestly don't think it'll materialise anyhow and if it is just a 1 year contract for game time, how could you even mentally commit to that.

Bazzo · 03-05-2018 01:02PM

launish116 wrote: »

I'm with Awec on this. Just look at Payne and his positioning to suit Ireland at Ulster? When he was needed as full back.

The whole reason he could be leaving Leinster is apparently because Schmidt can't force Leocaster to play him at 10.

awec · 03-05-2018 01:08PM

stephen_n wrote: »

If the IRFU could promise his place at a province, he’d be staying put. It’s already been made abundantly clear they can’t do it at Leinster, but you think the rules are different at Ulster? Your paranoia about the IRFU is astounding.

This doesn't even begin to make sense.

Leinster have Johnny Sexton and Ross Byrne.

What is astounding here is your lack of outrage about Ulster signing another short term stop gap, after all the complaining you did about them playing Lealiifaano instead of their own academy players.

molloyjh · 03-05-2018 01:12PM

awec wrote: »

In any 50/50 selection call Carbery is going to get the nod. He will be the default pick. He is going up with the promise of being the first choice 10.

How many 50/50 calls are there going to be?????? This seems like a really made up scenario tbh.

I'm sure Joey is going up thinking he stands a far better chance of getting game time there than here at Leinster. Joe can't guarantee him first choice though. That's not within his powers to do. If it was then Joey wouldn't be in this position in the first place. He'd have been getting the game time at 10 in Leinster.

irishfan9 · 03-05-2018 01:16PM

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molloyjh · 03-05-2018 01:16PM

awec wrote: »

This doesn't even begin to make sense.

Leinster have Johnny Sexton and Ross Byrne.

What is astounding here is your lack of outrage about Ulster signing another short term stop gap, after all the complaining you did about them playing Lealiifaano instead of their own academy players.

Missed this when I was replying to the earlier post. Stephen is 100% right. If Joe could force a provinces hand he'd have done so with Leinster. He didn't, which is evidence that he can't. It makes nothing but sense.

I'm not convinced it's a good decision for Ulster or Leinster at all. But from an Ireland perspective I get it and from the players perspective I get it. If Ulster don't have a head coach, and won't until the middle of next season, then this is far from the biggest issue Ulster will have. And in some ways it might be better to sign a guy on a 1 year deal and let McFarland get stuck into proper recruitment once he arrives properly.

irishbucsfan · 03-05-2018 01:16PM

awec wrote: »

This doesn't even begin to make sense.

Tell that to Schmidt, Leo and Lancaster!

awec · 03-05-2018 01:18PM

molloyjh wrote: »

How many 50/50 calls are there going to be?????? This seems like a really made up scenario tbh.

I'm sure Joey is going up thinking he stands a far better chance of getting game time there than here at Leinster. Joe can't guarantee him first choice though. That's not within his powers to do. If it was then Joey wouldn't be in this position in the first place. He'd have been getting the game time at 10 in Leinster.

Excellent, so with this lack of powers available to Schmidt he can do absolutely nothing about Ulster using Carbery as little as possible. On the bench, playing the insignificant games when McPhillips needs rested, right?

I'm sure that was a lovely tale they told Carbery, a player openly vocal about not wanting to leave.

Delusion.

awec · 03-05-2018 01:22PM

Bazzo wrote: »

The whole reason he could be leaving Leinster is apparently because Schmidt can't force Leocaster to play him at 10.

Who honestly believes this?

Bazzo · 03-05-2018 01:24PM

awec wrote: »

Who honestly believes this?

If he can then why on earth hasn't he been?

awec · 03-05-2018 01:25PM

Bazzo wrote: »

If he can then why on earth hasn't he been?

Because Leinster have Sexton and Byrne.

I don't think anyone really believes that Leo Cullen or Stuart Lancaster's boss has no authority to tell them what to do.

There is certainly no blanket ban on the IRFU instructing provinces on players. It is certainly not that simple.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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