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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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    #4382
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,165 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Doltanian wrote: »
    I thought Trump really made Macron look like such a fool yesterday, the body language and what was so telling was Trump with Melanie who looked so radiant and youthful and Macron with his wife who is 25 years older than him whilst Melania is 23 years younger than the Donald. Trump portrays the strong leadership of the Right and Macron as a weakling beta-cuck poster child leftist.

    Just when you think you've seen it all when it comes to ridiculous posts in this thread.


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    #4383
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    looksee wrote: »
    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/it-19.jpg

    Ridiculous pic of Trump and Macron with Trump hauling him along like a child - though it makes Trump look more undignified than Macron.

    Surprised they didn't go with the awkward embrace. Still kudos should go to Macron if he helps salvage the Iran deal.


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    #4384
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,070 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    looksee wrote: »
    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/it-19.jpg

    Ridiculous pic of Trump and Macron with Trump hauling him along like a child - though it makes Trump look more undignified than Macron.

    It seems Macron is more open to holding his hand than his own wife....


    https://twitter.com/BetsyBits/status/988774180366757888?s=19


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    #4385
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    everlast75 wrote: »
    It seems Macron is more open to holding his hand than his own wife....

    It'd be interesting to see the contract. What do you think, $50K to hold his hand for the cameras? But some days $50K just isn't enough.


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    #4386
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    jooksavage wrote: »
    The problem is, even if Macron successfully cajoles Trump, Bolton and Pompeo still have a fortnight to turn his head and Trump is notoriously easy to manilulate. The likelihood of going a fortnight without another newsworthy scandal is also unlikely. When May 12 comes around, Iran could well be the distraction Trump needs.

    Yeah, and Bolton & Pompeo have a much easier sell than Macron. All they ultimately need to say is...the current deal is an Obama deal & he'll be falling over himself to rip it up


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    #4387
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,070 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    It'd be interesting to see the contract. What do you think, $50K to hold his hand for the cameras? But some days $50K just isn't enough.

    it is not the first time either


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suDNHwtqoiU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a__J5saTDDU


    There is an interesting discussion to be had, as to whether Melania should get any sympathy at all. Clearly, her husband's behaviour shows that he has little or no respect for her (as he does for all women apparently) but on the other hand, she knew what she was getting into bed with (literally).


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    #4388
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    looksee wrote: »
    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/it-19.jpg

    Ridiculous pic of Trump and Macron with Trump hauling him along like a child - though it makes Trump look more undignified than Macron.

    Maybe he was on his way to some stairs?


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    #4389
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    More and more evidence coming out that Trump did indeed spend that night in 2013 in Moscow. We now have social media, flight records, his own security and the Miss Universe 2013 host all confirming he stayed in Moscow overnight.

    For such a prolific liar he really doesnt know how to do it very well. If he had just said in the beginning that he stayed the night and everything else was bogus he'd be fine but no he had to lie about something that was easily provable making the rest of what supposedly happened seem more and more likely


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    #4390
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    everlast75 wrote: »
    it is not the first time either

    [...]

    There is an interesting discussion to be had, as to whether Melania should get any sympathy at all. Clearly, her husband's behaviour shows that he has little or no respect for her (as he does for all women apparently) but on the other hand, she knew what she was getting into bed with (literally).

    It's perversely fascinating, isn't it? I'd normally not touch this kind of 'celebrity' tattle with a 10 foot bargepole, but the Trump marriage is an odd fish, there's no doubt about it.

    On balance I'd possess little sympathy for Melania's position: she knew what she was getting into, marrying a demonstrated adulterer and walking stereotype of an old-world, trustfund Tycoon. Equally though, she may have weighed all those factors and took a totally pragmatic decision. She'll likely outlive Trump, his wealth (whatever its actual net value) would open doors for her, and generally will live a life without many needs or wants. She wouldn't be the first person to marry a wealthy old man for those kind of reasons & sleep none the worse for it.

    Where I do have sympathy for her, is that I daresay she did NOT want to be First Lady. If the previous estimation holds true, she was probably happy to spend her days in that perverse bubble of anonymity wealth can provide - which disappeared immediately on becoming the wife to the most powerful political figure on earth. Knowing his temperament probably didn't help either; again you'd wonder how much time she had to spend with Trump while 'just' being in a simple marriage - now there's no escape in indeed the union is less than stellar.

    There has been rumour enough of her distress the night Trump won (once more I feel obliged to remind all his own campaign didn't think he'd win and had no plan were he to actually do so), and I could well believe it. What modicum of privacy she had was now gone. Other rumours talk about how the Trumps don't actually share a bed in the White House.

    Then again, who knows: maybe the Trumps are the most loving, synchronised couple there is. But I doubt it.


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    #4391
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    everlast75 wrote: »
    it is not the first time either


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suDNHwtqoiU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a__J5saTDDU


    There is an interesting discussion to be had, as to whether Melania should get any sympathy at all. Clearly, her husband's behaviour shows that he has little or no respect for her (as he does for all women apparently) but on the other hand, she knew what she was getting into bed with (literally).

    I think this sums up the compromise she made for herself:



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    #4392
    Quin_Dub
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    More and more evidence coming out that Trump did indeed spend that night in 2013 in Moscow. We now have social media, flight records, his own security and the Miss Universe 2013 host all confirming he stayed in Moscow overnight.

    For such a prolific liar he really doesnt know how to do it very well. If he had just said in the beginning that he stayed the night and everything else was bogus he'd be fine but no he had to lie about something that was easily provable making the rest of what supposedly happened seem more and more likely

    This is absolutely the key thing..

    When this story first came out in one of his first interviews where he was asked about it , his response was "There is no Video , I'd never have a video , no one will ever find a video"

    Not - "This is a complete lie , nothing like that ever happened" , but "No one will ever find it"

    He lies instinctively and speaks without thinking and seems incapable of following even the most basic of PR tools.

    There may very well be no fire here at all , but he continuously creates smoke every time he opens his mouth so people are going to keep digging and keep talking about this stuff.


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    #4393
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I think this sums up the compromise she made for herself:


    One thing that seems a reasonably sensible, is the minimizing of Ivanka's appearances lately. Keeping Javanka out of sight and out of mind is one of the administration's better actions lately. Course that may be down to General Kelly.


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    #4394
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    This is absolutely the key thing..

    When this story first came out in one of his first interviews where he was asked about it , his response was "There is no Video , I'd never have a video , no one will ever find a video"

    Not - "This is a complete lie , nothing like that ever happened" , but "No one will ever find it"

    He lies instinctively and speaks without thinking and seems incapable of following even the most basic of PR tools.

    There may very well be no fire here at all , but he continuously creates smoke every time he opens his mouth so people are going to keep digging and keep talking about this stuff.

    Being shameless is a bigger aid to lying than being fantastically intricate in how you formulate it.

    Normal people assume others are generally somewhat truthful, so they take what you say at face value, or at enough of face value to fit the lie into their world view.

    It's the essence of con artistry.


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    #4395
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,070 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    This is absolutely the key thing..

    When this story first came out in one of his first interviews where he was asked about it , his response was "There is no Video , I'd never have a video , no one will ever find a video"

    Not - "This is a complete lie , nothing like that ever happened" , but "No one will ever find it"

    He lies instinctively and speaks without thinking and seems incapable of following even the most basic of PR tools.

    There may very well be no fire here at all , but he continuously creates smoke every time he opens his mouth so people are going to keep digging and keep talking about this stuff.

    What I also noted was, he said there were no prostitutes. He didn't say "there were no women". There could have been models, escorts etc etc


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    #4396
    robinph
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    What I also noted was, he said there were no prostitutes. He didn't say "there were no women". There could have been models, escorts etc etc

    Maybe he just thought he'd got lucky, therefore not prostitutes in his head.


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    #4397
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Good man The Donald. Here's his latest tweet:

    Congratulations to Republican Debbie Lesko on her big win in the Special Election for Arizona House seat. Debbie will do a Great Job! Press is so silent.

    Perhaps someone should tell The Donald that in the last election he won in Arizona by 21%. Lesko won by 5%. Hopefully, he continues to ignore the reality that momentum continues to shift towards the Dems.


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    #4398
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    To be fair, I think any embattled US president would celebrate the win, while trying to ignore the horrendous collapse in support - in a deeply, deeply Red State at that (in fact I believe the district is Joe Arpaio's stomping ground). I wouldn't begrudge Democrats doing the same were the roles reversed.

    Otherwise it's the usual standard of Trump tweet; attack the press, highlight his own ignorance about the larger discourse (which is clearly highlighting said support) blah blah. I mean at this stage, why do we even paste in his Tweets? Do embeds actually count as views, because if so I'd consider it tacit support by including them here ;)


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    #4399
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    aloyisious wrote: »
    @notobtuse: If yoyu had the chance to re-run the 2016 GOP candidate race, who would your choice be, Don or one of the other original candidates?

    In the GOP presidential primary I voted for Ted Cruz.  If you were talking about re-running the election based on hindsight, I would vote for Donald Trump in the general election.  I am happy with what he has done. Not too crazy about his bombastic ways and over-the-top tweets, but they are secondary to his proven governance as a conservative. Also, Trump was the only candidate out of the lot of GOP candidates who I believe could have beaten Hillary Clinton, and I think Clinton would have been a disaster as president of the US.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4400
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    I was just about to say if you scraped away the stupid tweets and the stupid things he says, Trump has actually done an ok job 
    Then I realised what I was saying
    Every thing he has touched has been toxic, the most redeeming thing is the talks with North Korea which he has stumbled into but the ironic thing is going from these talks he could be launching the whole world into a very dangerous conflict


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    #4401
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    kilns wrote: »
    the most redeeming thing is the talks with North Korea which he has stumbled into but the ironic thing is going from these talks he could be launching the whole world into a very dangerous conflict

    Nah, Kim Jong Un doesn't want a war, he just wants Trump to visit NK as a supplicant asking NK to disarm so that he can say "April Fool!" and pull down Trumps pants in front of the world's press.


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    #4402
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Nah, Kim Jong Un doesn't want a war, he just wants Trump to visit NK as a supplicant asking NK to disarm so that he can say "April Fool!" and pull down Trumps pants in front of the world's press.
    Difficult to embarrass that man any more than he already has been,mind you.

    Any win is a win and if anything can be salvaged from the Trump wreckage ,
    I will take it.

    Yes there is a risk of things going downhill and the well advertised historic seeing eye to eye of Hitler and Stalin may not augur well.


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    #4403
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    June 17, 1972: The plumbers are arrested at 2:30 a.m. in the process of burglarizing and planting surveillance bugs in the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Building Complex.

    August 9, 1974: Nixon resigns from office

    The plumbers were CIA operatives working for Nixon who went in to remove classified documents held in offices there. The details of what was in those documents are still secret today. Nixon secret history is fascinating. If Trump involved in similar activities, maybe? Trump while i don't like him, i think his presidency never got a break, it 24 hours a day negative stuff on CNN. This Russian collusion is bull**** what do we think happened, that a few bots on twitter influenced 60 million Americans to vote for a TV apprentice reality TV star? Russia has not got the influence or money to change American elections. Trump won because 60 million Americans viewed the world the same way as him in 2016


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    #4404
    VinLieger
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    that a few bots on twitter influenced 60 million Americans to vote for a TV apprentice reality TV star? Russia has not got the influence or money to change American elections. Trump won because 60 million Americans viewed the world the same way as him in 2016

    So much like Trump you disagree with his own administration and the entire US intelligence service that Russia actively meddled in the 2016 election and is already working on meddling in the 2018 midterms?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/16/us/politics/trump-russia-administration-fact-check.html


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    #4405
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    The plumbers were CIA operatives working for Nixon who went in to remove classified documents held in offices there. The details of what was in those documents are still secret today. Nixon secret history is fascinating. If Trump involved in similar activities, maybe? Trump while i don't like him, i think his presidency never got a break, it 24 hours a day negative stuff on CNN. This Russian collusion is bull**** what do we think happened, that a few bots on twitter influenced 60 million Americans to vote for a TV apprentice reality TV star? Russia has not got the influence or money to change American elections. Trump won because 60 million Americans viewed the world the same way as him in 2016

    They didn't need to influence 60m voters to swing the election. They only needed to impact a few thousand votes in a small number of states to swing the electoral college


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    #4406
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    They didn't need to influence 60m voters to swing the election. They only needed to impact a few thousand votes in a small number of states to swing the electoral college

    What evidence is there Russia was doing this. Where is paper trail leading back to Russia, have you personally seen it?


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    #4407
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Free to me... and i have no subscription

    It not free for me I got a huge banner when I clicked the link and got three payment options to choose from.


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    #4408
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    What evidence is there Russia was doing this. Where is paper trail leading back to Russia, have you personally seen it?

    No, I haven't personally seen any such thing, nor am I definitively claiming that it happened. But you're arguing around a point I'm not making.

    I was correcting your point that Russia influenced 60m US citizens to vote Trump by stating that they wouldn't need to do so in order to influence the election.

    I'm not in a position to pull it all together here, but there have been plenty of people on here who have pulled together detailed lists of what happened in the US election & how Russia could have had an impact.

    That and the fact that pretty much every government agency in the US at this stage has confirmed that there was an attempt to influence.


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    #4409
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    The plumbers were CIA operatives working for Nixon who went in to remove classified documents held in offices there. The details of what was in those documents are still secret today. Nixon secret history is fascinating. If Trump involved in similar activities, maybe? Trump while i don't like him, i think his presidency never got a break, it 24 hours a day negative stuff on CNN. This Russian collusion is bull**** what do we think happened, that a few bots on twitter influenced 60 million Americans to vote for a TV apprentice reality TV star? Russia has not got the influence or money to change American elections. Trump won because 60 million Americans viewed the world the same way as him in 2016

    The point being responded to was that if something was there to be found it would be found by now.

    An example showing that it is still early days in the investigation where wrong doing happened. The point was we can't say that nothing will be found on Trump because the investigation has been taking a while. Do you accept that point?


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    #4410
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    If yoy going to post a link. Try one that not a pay subscription service and we can all read.

    Free for me, so must be your location, anyway its roundly accepted by many in his administration and all the US intelligence services that Russia have and are currently meddling


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    #4411
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Notobtuse has been banned for ignoring repeated mod warnings.

    Everyone else, please take a minute now to read the charter.

    This is a place for discussion. Jokes, one liners, links dumps and copy/pastes of Twitter posts don't belong here.


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