The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:21PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Who are you calling a sheep ?

And i know exactly what you mean by it

Posts like that make it seem you think you are way above everyone else

It can be a bit like 'How many Yes voters does it take to change a lightbulb?' at times in here, when one gets multiple replies to one post.

amcalester · 24-04-2018 11:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Killing the unborn is compassionate.
Healthy women killing healthy unborn lives is healthcare.

Yes side telling men talk to your sisters, your mother, girlfriends because they are all apparently Yes voters, another lie.

Yes posters with no mention of the unborn, just slogans which could mean anything. Actively trying to be untruthful about abortion.

Ok, but actual evidence of lies by the Yes side.

Not misrepresentations of what you think they’re saying.

baylah17 · 24-04-2018 11:21PM

Wow that KuKluxKlan luvvie has some neck
Caught telling lies time and time it plays the victim when that doesn't work itrverts to the Iona playbook and just gets downright nasty
Lovely when the already thin mask slips
Sends me to sleep with a smile on my face

24-04-2018 11:23PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Killing the unborn is compassionate.
Healthy women killing healthy unborn lives is healthcare.

Yes side telling men talk to your sisters, your mother, girlfriends because they are all apparently Yes voters, another lie.

Yes posters with no mention of the unborn, just slogans which could mean anything. Actively trying to be untruthful about abortion.

Looking for facts not opinions Robert, your ignoring that simple thing in your posts and posting opinions.

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:23PM

iguana wrote: »

None of those are lies. Stop reaching, you'll fall off the high horse you think you are on.

I am on no horse, so is it ok for January to say I lied when I used the proposed legislation but ok when she used the exact same legislation to support her point?

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:26PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Looking for facts not opinions Robert, your ignoring that simple thing in your posts and posting opinions.

It is a lie to make out the proposed 12 weeks abortion regime will be restrictive, as if waiting 3 days stops it...

amcalester · 24-04-2018 11:29PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is a lie to make out the proposed 12 weeks abortion regime will be restrictive, as if waiting 3 days stops it...

That’s subjective though so not a lie.

I thought the restrictive referred to the 12 weeks limitation as opposed to a longer period rather than the 3 days cooling off period.

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:30PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

If you think the above are lies, then what do you think is the thinking behind them? Why do you believe people are lying in order for the 8th to be repealed? What benefit would it be to anyone?

No one is above lies.

Sometimes people intentionally lie, other times unintentionally lie. People who intentionally lie are stupid. I give opinion which some believe are lies but I don't believe they are.
Then it becomes a matter of how someone else interprets my opinion.

gctest50 · 24-04-2018 11:31PM

beat this one :

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:32PM

amcalester wrote: »

That’s subjective though so not a lie.

I thought the restrictive referred to the 12 weeks limitation as opposed to a longer period rather than the 3 days cooling off period.

Waiting 3 days is not restrictive, do women who go to England have their abortion the next day after they decide on abortion?

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:32PM

gctest50 wrote: »

beat this one :

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

What has that got to do with me?

amcalester · 24-04-2018 11:36PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Waiting 3 days is not restrictive, do women who go to England have their abortion the next day after they decide on abortion?

Don’t know, think it’s done on the same day that they travel but there may be phone consultations beforehand. I’m guessing, I’ve no idea.

But limiting the term during which a woman can have an abortion to 12 weeks IS restrictive when compared to the UK which I think is 24 weeks.

That’s why it’s restrictive, not because of the 3 day cooling off period.

That’s my understanding of it anyway.

gctest50 · 24-04-2018 11:41PM

RobertKK wrote: »

What has that got to do with me?

waaaaaah persecution post activated again i see

The anti-Repeal side blatently lie

look :

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

gmisk · 24-04-2018 11:41PM

RobertKK wrote: »

What has that got to do with me?

I think they are just pointing out another very obvious and rather embarrassing lie by the save the 8th side.
There is a thread here pointing out blatant lies in this referendum and I don't think many/any of them have been from the yes side.

Also you seem to be confusing a lie and an opinion.

24-04-2018 11:43PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is a lie to make out the proposed 12 weeks abortion regime will be restrictive, as if waiting 3 days stops it...

Well according to some of the prolife 'once I sat down and thought about it' stories maybe it will, and maybe it won't because unlike what the prolife side are stating women aren't going to have an abortion on a whim.

You can say that's opinion but actually it's pretty much human nature people don't make snap decisions about stuff like this, not even some women.

Also compared to other counties it could be considered restrictive including I believe the U.K. whose abortion regime is constantly discussed on here.
But that doesn't make it a lie as you claim, subjective possibly given a persons opinion, sort of like seeing a fist in a womb.

Sofiztikated · 24-04-2018 11:43PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Killing the unborn is compassionate.
Healthy women killing healthy unborn lives is healthcare.

Yes side telling men talk to your sisters, your mother, girlfriends because they are all apparently Yes voters, another lie.

Yes posters with no mention of the unborn, just slogans which could mean anything. Actively trying to be untruthful about abortion.

Disagreeing with a point of view doesn't make it a lie.

Actually taking the truth, and lying about it, makes it a lie.

Do the "Yes side" tell lies? Dunno, probably, everyone does. Have the "Yes Side" lied about anything to do with this referendum? Not that I've seen.

And when pointed out a BLATANT lie, you immediately went with "Well, everyone lies." Do you realise how you sound?

You've been called out on "Keep em breeding for the pension fund," you've been called out on posting incorrect figures, and many others, but you're defence is "January said something different to someone else"?

Please :eyeroll:

fritzelly · 24-04-2018 11:45PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes posters with no mention of the unborn, just slogans which could mean anything. Actively trying to be untruthful about abortion.

There was me thinking this was about the health and decision of the woman, at least it's now referred to as unborn aka not alive

But hey maybe they should show in proportion images of a fetus at 12 weeks

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:49PM

fritzelly wrote: »

There was me thinking this was about the health and decision of the woman, at least it's now referred to as unborn aka not alive

But hey maybe they should show in proportion images of a fetus at 12 weeks

Are you claiming the unborn are not alive?

fritzelly · 24-04-2018 11:52PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Are you claiming the unborn are not alive?

Was that not obvious?

RobertKK · 24-04-2018 11:55PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Was that not obvious?

ok......

pleas advice · 24-04-2018 11:59PM

would be classed a lie or an opinion? because its definitely not the truth

Sofiztikated · 25-04-2018 12:17AM

pleas advice wrote: »

would be classed a lie or an opinion? because its definitely not the truth

it'd be opinion, and in my opinion an incorrect one, but that'd go down to how far you want to go with the definition of "Life".

ForestFire · 25-04-2018 12:20AM

I am voting yes but....

I have been accused of being on some sort of shift worker, as have many others.

I have had my clarifications ignored repeatedly.

I have had statements attributed to me falsely that I never said.

I have been repeat asked to answer questions on Indian stats or something, which I never raised or spoke about.

One poster stated something like "a fetus has a heart beat at 12 weeks? Really?" as a rebuttal.

But I guess the ? mark, means it's not a lie I suppose? A 2 second Google search would have confirmed, and you constantly get into to uninformed.

Pro choice are afraid of an emotional side of the debate when taking about the life of the fetus but it's okay to post the In her shoe stories repeatedly (which it should be okay for both) . But this is what we are voting on and we are adults and should not hide away from the full topics, because it might be emotional.

Pro choice complain that people keep repeat themselves and post links to Irish debates, yet you keep discussing trees and toenails.

Pro choice shout and scream when someone posts a representative photo, although they are in every pregnancy book, and the only reasonable think that can be posted to show/discuss fetal development.

Pro choice attribute past atrocities, like Tuam, somehow to ordinary people, simple because they are pro life.

For some reason if you are pro life you don't care about any other issues for children in the world, I don't know how you know this?

Pro choice raised 500k on crowd funding for posters, i presume they have done similar before also, to support women in need?

I don't think you realise how daunting it is to try and have an open debate or ask a question in here. A small part maybe due to the difference in numbers. And don't worry I am not claiming victim status, as I'm sure you will say, just pointing out how difficult it is.

Oh... I have also had posts and questions ignored.... but I have not gone around demanding answers from posters and trying to raise them somehow for this..... If they don't want to answer fine......

_Dara_ · 25-04-2018 12:26AM

^^^^

Another “I’m voting yes but...”er.

It’s not remotely believable. It’s a tactic I don’t fully understand but knock yourself out.

RobertKK · 25-04-2018 12:32AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

^^^^

Another “I’m voting yes but...”er.

It’s not remotely believable. It’s a tactic I don’t fully understand but knock yourself out.

Your post sums up the problem in this thread.

FingerDeKat · 25-04-2018 12:37AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Your post sums up the problem in this thread.

not providing proof when asked ??

_Dara_ · 25-04-2018 12:40AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Your post sums up the problem in this thread.

I’m really, massively okay with that.

At least I’ve not been one-note on this thread. All you seem able for is surly posts where you play the victim and deflect.

Larbre34 · 25-04-2018 12:41AM

I'm just going to interject here. Each and every person will be making a personal rationalisation and a moral judgement on this matter. That doesn't make what they feel a lie, so long as they dont lord it over everyone else with something that is a matter of degrees or subject to interpretation.

Im basing my own view on a couple of indisputable facts. Independent viability outside of the womb at less than 20 weeks gestation, is impossible. Thus, a 12 week limit for non medical or surgical reasons is acceptable to me and entirely a matter of bodily autonomy of the mother in that regard. If abortion was a procedure under consideration for a loved one of mine, i would genuinely try and guide them through alternatives first, but at the end of the day, its not for me to deny this option to them or any woman.

Another fact is the disgusting situation that pertains in the State, where women requiring treatment for serious illnesses arising who happen to be pregnant or fall pregnant around the time of their diagnosis are forced to travel to the UK for a termination before their treatment can commence. This national shame and dereliction of responsibility to the people is the main reason ill be voting to repeal and in bad news for Robert's side I feel many more voters will come down on those sort of issues and the 8th will be gone.

RobertKK · 25-04-2018 12:45AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I’m really, massively okay with that.

At least I’ve not been one-note on this thread. All you seem able for is surly posts where you play the victim and deflect.

I am not a victim, but people could treat others more nicely in this thread.

_Dara_ · 25-04-2018 01:03AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I am not a victim, but people could treat others more nicely in this thread.

You are absolutely acting the victim in some of your posts. Don’t want people saying that you’re acting the victim? Then don’t... act the victim. It’s quite simple.

How about posting something of substance? Every second post of yours contains a sullen accusation (with little to back them up).

I’ll also ask: what concrete lies have the Yes side told? I’m genuinely interested. If they have told some lies, I want to know that information.

The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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