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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #8162
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    My girlfriend is pregnant and I don't want to be a father
    I don't like using condoms

    REPEAL

    How do you think my slogans will go down at the next march? Constructive criticism welcome


  • #8163
    applehunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭applehunter


    When are we going to have an actual public debate on the issue?

    All I see is posturing from both sides at the moment.

    Polls in the last week have an increase in undecided voters.


  • #8164
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Hoes need abortions. Discuss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un23nZRXVHg

    Gonna post the full video so every one can get the reality of that speech or am I gonna have to do it for you ?


  • #8165
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Sick of hearing about bloody posters. Theres not enough. They are not in the right place. They are on the wrong poles. They are too low. The council took them. The tidy towns dont want them. They are flapping. The cable ties will be left behind. The wind blew them around. They dont have publisher. Theres none in x town. On x road.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #8166
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    How did I know that was going to be a pro-life video before I even pressed play?

    It's not actually . It's from the March for choice a few years ago just cleverly edited to suit an agenda as per usual. Robert tried to use it in the other thread but was called out on it then too.


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  • #8167
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    January wrote: »
    Gonna post the full video so every one can get the reality of that speech or am I gonna have to do it for you ?

    Post the full one before the edited one gets buried in the thread


  • #8168
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Post the full one before the edited one gets buried in the thread

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1224728841006221&id=191023254376790


  • #8169
    Shadowstrife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Shadowstrife


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Here is one " old " one who will vote Yes . And I am not alone in that at all


    Thank you. I just wanted to say thanks, really


  • #8170
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,384 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How do you think my slogans will go down at the next march? Constructive criticism welcome
    Go home your drunk


  • #8171
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gmisk wrote: »
    Go home your drunk

    If only it was that simple.

    Second one should be I don't like wearing condoms, where is the nearest STI clinic?


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  • #8172
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    gmisk wrote: »

    John Mc Guirk playing a blinder isn't he... Does he honestly think things like this are going to endear him to anyone?

    Given his own nefarious unprincipled past in student politics its actually laughable. He really is an odious narcissist.


  • #8173
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Nice of you to not reply to pretty much any of my post all the same.

    sorry not intentional - am dipping in and out of this thread and its fast moving ....


  • #8174
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,113 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    God this is such an emotive subject
    I am in principle against abortion but also think it should ultimately be up to the woman to decide until that 12 weeks limit within Ireland (and thank god it's not the same as the UK). Beyond that I think it's just becoming too human to be able to be thought of something you can get excised from your body (with some exceptions like where rape is the cause and maybe it was not known about the pregnancy)
    I have no qualms about a fetus being any more than that til it's birth, and where it becomes more parasitic in it's nature towards the health of the mother then I would agree a termination at any stage should be allowed without question


  • #8175
    applehunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭applehunter


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Given his own nefarious unprincipled past in student politics its actually laughable. He really is an odious narcissist.

    He continues to play a blinder.

    He should be pissing off people considering the stance his is taking. That is the nature of a contentious issue.

    The guy knows his stuff and will argue with anyone.

    The YES side on the other hand don't seem to have to answer to anyone.

    Public debates ASAP, please.


  • #8176
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I think that this is a non issue.
    It's all about personal choice ,personal responsibly, and medical responsibility.

    No-one will be forced to have an abortion.

    It will be performed by consent.

    Consent... Consent by the woman carrying the fetus/child

    Personal choice. Personal freedom.

    The world isn't going to end because of this, no-one is forcing any one to have an abortion.

    Vote whatever way you like,
    But it's important that you vote.

    No point in being a keyboard warrior.

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  • #8177
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    applehunter wrote: »
    He continues to play a blinder.

    He should be pissing off people considering the stance his is taking. That is the nature of a contentious issue.

    The guy knows his stuff and will argue with anyone.

    The YES side on the other hand don't seem to have to answer to anyone.

    Public debates ASAP, please.

    Students ask for time off to vote and this is is the pro life, "love both" response? What good will come from a press release like this? The No side haven't budged in polls since January, and needlessly antagonistic PR like this and isn't going to help his position one iota.

    If anything, it's just going to push people towards Yes. So, I suppose, keep it up :D


  • #8178
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    applehunter wrote: »
    He continues to play a blinder.

    He should be pissing off people considering the stance his is taking. That is the nature of a contentious issue.

    The guy knows his stuff and will argue with anyone.

    The YES side on the other hand don't seem to have to answer to anyone.

    Public debates ASAP, please.

    There is taking a stance AND there is rudely, agressively and obnoxiously taking a stance.

    Can you defend his obnoxious put downs of young people? Do you agree with him that young people are buffoons who shouldnt vote? Do you agree with him that students are not normal people?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #8179
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    Students ask for time off to vote and this is is the pro life, "love both" response? What good will come from a press release like this? The No side haven't budged in polls since January, and needlessly antagonistic PR like this and isn't going to help his position one iota.

    If anything, it's just going to push people towards Yes. So, I suppose, keep it up :D

    I am beginning to think he knows pro life is losing and he is trying to rally the base in order to get a no vote as high as possible.

    Kinda hilarious in ways that someone who encouraged safe digital sex with gloves about 15 years ago while involved in student politics is so extremely anti student and illiberal on sex now. He made his name in student politics. Now he wants to f*ck students over.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #8180
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    applehunter wrote: »
    [McGuirk]The guy knows his stuff and will argue with anyone.

    You think he's obnoxious and argumentative now, wait until No loses. His real joy is attacking everyone on his own side in the aftermath.


  • #8181
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Sick of hearing about bloody posters.

    One more observation: the Yes posters are OK to look at, mainly green and white, some purple, a few female faces, positive messages. The No posters are black and red, hostile, negative and ugly to look at - even the ones without gross photos on them.

    I drove around Galway, a well-postered zone, and the nastiness of the No message radiating from every pole is intense.

    I do not think this is a good way for No to engage folks on the fence, it is as if they just dusted off their 1983 posters, they are behaving as if they still have a crushing majority on their side.


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  • #8182
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    I was talking to a couple of young lads at the weekend, at football, we are looking at losing a few students from our teams locally for the summer.
    They're off on their J1 for the summer, 2 are off on the 18th of may, where my wife works a couple of part time student girls are off at around the same time, well before the poll, I wonder how many will students will actually be gone before the day?


  • #8183
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Edward M wrote: »
    I was talking to a couple of young lads at the weekend, at football, we are looking at losing a few students from our teams locally for the summer.
    They're off on their J1 for the summer, 2 are off on the 18th of may, where my wife works a couple of part time student girls are off at around the same time, well before the poll, I wonder how many will students will actually be gone before the day?

    It's only 3 days later than the marriage referendum which had a big student turnout.


  • #8184
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭circadian


    applehunter wrote: »
    He continues to play a blinder.

    He should be pissing off people considering the stance his is taking. That is the nature of a contentious issue.

    The guy knows his stuff and will argue with anyone..

    Aye he'd argue with a lampost if given the chance, that's for certain.

    He hasn't a clue what he's on about half the time and it's all just to boost his ego. His continual flip flopping during his university politics days show that despite being an all round eejit he'd shift parties and policies quicker than rats off a sinking ship.

    I can guarantee he believes little, if any, of this ****e he is spouting off and if the 8th is repealed wait for his implosion and seperation from the Save the 8th movement.

    His head will pop up again, I'm sure of it and I'd be curious what his manifesto will be then. I just hope everyone remembers this campaign when he does.


  • #8185
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mikeecho wrote: »
    I think that this is a non issue.
    It's all about personal choice ,personal responsibly, and medical responsibility.

    No-one will be forced to have an abortion.

    It will be performed by consent.

    Consent... Consent by the woman carrying the fetus/child

    Personal choice. Personal freedom.

    The world isn't going to end because of this, no-one is forcing any one to have an abortion.

    Vote whatever way you like,
    But it's important that you vote.

    No point in being a keyboard warrior.

    voter-early-vote-often.png

    Jaysus. What about those who think it's murder. Far from a non issue


  • #8186
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Jaysus. What about those who think it's murder. Far from a non issue
    What about those who think they are an onion.
    People can think they are whatever they want, but it doesn't change reality.


  • #8187
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ELM327 wrote: »
    What about those who think they are an onion.
    People can think they are whatever they want, but it doesn't change reality.

    I'd say they are wrong personally. It's essentially a philosophical debate about when a human becomes a human. There's good reason why people all over the world still protest either side of this. I'm all for voting yes but belittling the argument and claiming its a non-issue is niave at best.


  • #8188
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Its a huge issue for those directly affected by the 8th.
    Saying its a non issues disrespects the effects the 8th has had and will continue to have on the lives and health of women if it is not repealed.


  • #8189
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,384 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    You think he's obnoxious and argumentative now, wait until No loses. His real joy is attacking everyone on his own side in the aftermath.
    You mean like calling his own candidate a psychotic bitch? Classy!


  • #8190
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    What about those who think they are an onion.

    Even they likely have several layers to their issue.

    Sorry, could not stop myself. Brings a tear to my eye.

    But yes I think it is a large issue really. It comes right down to A) What it actually means to be human and B) what it is we should value as humans.

    For me I think it should revolve around sentience. What it means to be human revolves around that. And what we should value, and be concerned with when we deal with rights, morality, and ethics.... is mediating the actions of, and well being of, sentient creatures.

    As the fetus at 12/16 weeks is not even remotely a sentient entity, abortion is not a moral issue for me. But I recognize many people have not put in the introspection, or reached the same conclusions from that introspection, as I have. Which makes it an issue.


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  • #8191
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    gmisk wrote: »
    You mean like calling his own candidate a psychotic bitch? Classy!

    I just dont dont understand why Applehunter is such a fan of a person who is so rude, agressive and obnoxious.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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