The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

Ken. · 23-04-2018 09:00PM

Yes with a little over a month to go I reset the poll to take out the not sure option and allow everyone vote again. If you search my posts in this thread you'll find a screenshot of the results of the old poll,

posturingpat · 23-04-2018 09:04PM

The one thing i really can't get from the Yes side is this thing that the 8th ammendment has never and will never save a life, like that is complete and utter lies and people pedalling it are lying to themselves or being disingenuous.

robarmstrong · 23-04-2018 09:07PM

posturingpat wrote: »

The one thing i really can't get from the Yes side is this thing that the 8th ammendment has never and will never save a life, like that is complete and utter lies and people pedalling it are lying to themselves or being disingenuous.

Can't really talk about complete and utter lies with people pedalling to it/being disingenuous when you have the pro-life campaign spouting out lies left right and centre in regards to false statistics, incorrect and misleading statements along with general scaremongering supported by proven to be false pictures/phrases.

posturingpat · 23-04-2018 09:15PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Can't really talk about complete and utter lies with people pedalling to it/being disingenuous when you have the pro-life campaign spouting out lies left right and centre in regards to false statistics, incorrect and misleading statements along with general scaremongering supported by proven to be false pictures/phrases.

Bit deflective there.
I never mentioned anything about anything else was focussed on this one single point as i repeatedly hear it and it's completely wrong.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-04-2018 09:18PM

garbo speaks wrote: »

It's a living, breathing little life.

Another anti-choice lie :rolleyes:

crustybla · 23-04-2018 09:18PM

Good point Shadow, he'd be the one to assume he's registered.:rolleyes:

robarmstrong · 23-04-2018 09:18PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Bit deflective there.
I never mentioned anything about anything else was focussed on this one single point as i repeatedly hear it and it's completely wrong.

Now is it fact that it's completely wrong, or is it your opinion that it's completely wrong?

There's plenty of evidence there to point that it didn't save lives, is there any evidence you can provide that it did?

nozzferrahhtoo · 23-04-2018 09:20PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ah yes of course - better go back and amend it for people who didn't realise what i meant

Nice of you to not reply to pretty much any of my post all the same.

baylah17 · 23-04-2018 09:20PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

posturingpat wrote: »

Bit deflective there.
I never mentioned anything about anything else was focussed on this one single point as i repeatedly hear it and it's completely wrong.

Now is it fact that it's completely wrong, or is it your opinion that it's completely wrong?

There's plenty of evidence there to point that it didn't save lives, is there any evidence you can provide that it did?

I caused women to die
Needlessly
Painfully
It costs lives it doesn't save lives

Ave Sodalis · 23-04-2018 09:31PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Well yes, i'm alive.

So the only reason your parents didn't abort you was because it is illegal to do so? If having you put them in a very difficult position (mentally, physically and/or financially), would you wish that on your parents? Would you want someone you love and care about to go through that?

reubenreuben · 23-04-2018 09:32PM

Anyone sane and mentally healthy will vote YES to repeal the 8th. The majority in Ireland.

The others who are not will vote NO. The minority.

robarmstrong · 23-04-2018 09:33PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Well yes, i'm alive.

So nothing to back up your claims, grand so.

reubenreuben · 23-04-2018 09:38PM

posturingpat wrote: »

The one thing i really can't get from the Yes side is this thing that the 8th ammendment has never and will never save a life, like that is complete and utter lies and people pedalling it are lying to themselves or being disingenuous.

The 8th doesn't help save a life. It restricts and over complicates saving the life of both the child and the mother.

That is why the majority in this country will vote to repeal it.

captbarnacles · 23-04-2018 09:49PM

This is why the prolifers seem to endlessly lose the argument and resort to nonsense: Irish women are having abortions.

What you are arguing for is should we 'in principle' ban abortions at the expense of the health of pregnant women for no particular gain to anyone bar some religious citizens.

That isn't an argument you are going to win.

Andy From Sligo · 23-04-2018 09:59PM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Anyone sane and mentally healthy will vote YES to repeal the 8th. The majority in Ireland.

The others who are not will vote NO. The minority.

surely traditional middle aged, old people and religious people should have been factored into that?- think they will vote NO

gctest50 · 23-04-2018 10:05PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

surely traditional middle aged, old people and religious people should have been factored into that?- think they will vote NO

How many

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

surely traditional ........ old people

will face something like this :

robarmstrong wrote: »

.........

My partner is 27 weeks pregnant with a baby girl, however before this we have suffered countless miscarriages due to her having a uterine abnormality (she has a heart shaped uterus) - basically this means that unless a baby implants in a certain area, my partner will lose the baby. All of our miscarriages have occured due to the baby implanting in an area that cannot support the size or volume of the amniotic sac which eventually will rupture due to the pressure placed upon it by the sides of the uterine wall (the latest we got to was 19 weeks).

Medical professionals have denied us access to abortions because technically my partner's health is not at risk nor is the babies (the baby will be absolutely fine and healthy, her waters will just break anyway and the baby will pass away). My partner does not meet the requirements for a legal abortion on Ireland because the medical professionals are of the opinion that due to the outcome of the pregnancy resting solely on where the baby implants, we can (and we currently are) having a successful pregnancy.

However this means that whenever the baby is not in the right place my partner is forced to carry it until she eventually miscarries it and has to deal with the heartbreak

reubenreuben · 23-04-2018 10:06PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

surely traditional middle aged, old people and religious people should have been factored into that?- think they will vote NO

Only the latter are not sane and mentally healthy.

Annasopra · 23-04-2018 10:07PM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Anyone sane and mentally healthy will vote YES to repeal the 8th. The majority in Ireland.

The others who are not will vote NO. The minority.

Sigh. There is no need to insult people with differing views.

davidfitz22 · 23-04-2018 10:09PM

reubenreuben wrote: »

Only the latter are not sane and mentally healthy.

Edgy.

That attitude gives a bad reflection on the yes side voters.
I'll be voting yes. That is my decision that I have come to.

If the no voters are voting the way they are, it's due to their moral choice not because " they haven't a functional brain" what a daft generalization

23-04-2018 10:14PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

surely traditional middle aged, old people and religious people should have been factored into that?- think they will vote NO

Middle age & old people were a lot younger in 1983. Even if they were eligible to vote then, a lot voted against the 8th. Many of them now will vote repeal because they have seen the harm it does.
I don't think people should write off older people. I'm now in my forties, & I never had a vote on this issue.

gmisk · 23-04-2018 10:14PM

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/988483679470211073?s=19

John Mc Guirk playing a blinder isn't he... Does he honestly think things like this are going to endear him to anyone?

Annasopra · 23-04-2018 10:15PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Middle age & old people were a lot younger in 1983. Even if they were eligible to vote then, a lot voted against the 8th. Many of them now will vote repeal because they have seen the harm it does.
I don't think people should write off older people. I'm now in my forties, & I never had a vote on this issue.

A lot of older people who voted yes to insert the 8th amendment are now voting yes to repeal it. Because they have seen the impact

Hammer Archer · 23-04-2018 10:20PM

baylah17 wrote: »

I caused women to die
Needlessly
Painfully

You monster

Ave Sodalis · 23-04-2018 10:23PM

gmisk wrote:

John Mc Guirk playing a blinder isn't he... Does he honestly think things like this are going to endear him to anyone?

Very democratic, calling for a significant portion of the population to not be allowed a chance to vote.

Of course, if most of the student population were going to vote No, he'd be giving out that they aren't given several days off to ensure all of them can travel.

iamwhoiam · 23-04-2018 10:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Middle age & old people were a lot younger in 1983. Even if they were eligible to vote then, a lot voted against the 8th. Many of them now will vote repeal because they have seen the harm it does.
I don't think people should write off older people. I'm now in my forties, & I never had a vote on this issue.

I am old !! And I and all my siblings and friends will be voting Yes . We have seen the pain and we know how it can harm the health of women . I could not vote No and watch women suffer because I chose not to help them

iamwhoiam · 23-04-2018 10:30PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

surely traditional middle aged, old people and religious people should have been factored into that?- think they will vote NO

Here is one " old " one who will vote Yes . And I am not alone in that at all

Wombatman · 23-04-2018 10:42PM

Hoes need abortions. Discuss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un23nZRXVHg

Ave Sodalis · 23-04-2018 10:48PM

Wombatman wrote:

Hoes need abortions. Discuss.

How did I know that was going to be a pro-life video before I even pressed play?

mikeecho · 23-04-2018 10:49PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Hoes need abortions. Discuss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un23nZRXVHg

They don't "need" abortions, but the choice to have one, should be there, if they so wish.

It's all about personal choice.

23-04-2018 11:01PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Very democratic, calling for a significant portion of the population to not be allowed a chance to vote.

Of course, if most of the student population were going to vote No, he'd be giving out that they aren't given several days off to ensure all of them can travel.

So many jokes about his college time political asperstions and emails running through my head right now, him and Katie must have had a good natter about this.

The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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