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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #7922
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    January wrote: »
    Do you remind removing the quote, I was wrong when I went back and looked it was a different poster!

    Thanks for that by the way. I keep posting because there are people who haven't made their minds up and reading the lies and misinformation on this thread is heartbreaking.

    You're definitely one of the best posters in the thread. Imagine it isn't nice how certain posters treated you in the thread. It's refreshing to see more and more women feeling able to talk about it.


  • #7923
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    You're definitely one of the best posters in the thread. Imagine it isn't nice how certain posters treated you in the thread. It's refreshing to see more and more women feeling able to talk about it.

    Ha, I wouldn't say I was anyway, sometimes I feel so frustrated because I can't get my point across as well as I want to. There's a lot of amazing eloquent posters in this thread who I admire because they're able to debate with the other side without getting frustrated.

    I really feel like repeal is going to win, I'm so hopeful that other women won't have to do what I've done when I made my decision and that women won't have to travel any longer. It's shameful, it really is.


  • #7924
    Shadowstrife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Shadowstrife


    If you are voting 'Yes', can I please encourage you to go out and join a local canvassing team.

    We all know the undecideds will close this referendum. Every conversation door-to-door really helps dispel the misinformation out there.


  • #7925
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    I agree Shadowstrife. Boots on the ground are badly needed. I went out canvassing for the first time yesterday and unfortunately I got a lot of No' s and a few undecideds. We need conversations to take place on the doorsteps.
    If anyone can get out with local groups they should.


  • #7926
    Nettle Soup
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    baylah17 wrote: »
    Kk333 wrote: »
    Haha best of look if he does that. Dont mess with grannies.

    My Mum is 84 Catholic and a mass goer
    She votes Yes in 1983
    She voted Yes for Divorce in 1995
    She voted Yes to Marraige Equality
    She is voting Yes to repeal the 8th
    Dont presume that because a woman is old or religious they will just vote like sheep!

    I imagine she is very much in the minority but fair play to her for going against Roman Catholic recommendations!


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  • #7927
    Shadowstrife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Shadowstrife


    ^ Same here, lots of No's/undecideds. But every 'Yes' received was a pick-me-up.


    Also, for those who don't feel comfortable with door-to-door, please offer people lifts in your car, or help out in similar ways. Every little helps.


  • #7928
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    It wasnt me123 wrote: »
    From 26th May women of Ireland will have choice and subsequently, appropriate medical assistance to help with any choice they make.

    Hopefully. Let's not get complacent. This is a topic that many people don't get into debate about. There could be many more Save the 8th voters than you think.


  • #7929
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Dara, not according to any poll I've seen. They all put Repeal firmly in front. I think Ireland has come of age and wants this backward amendment gone. It hurts too many people. I'm not complacent or naive, I genuinely think the pro choice side will win well. I think a lot of people say don't know because they would like to keep their decision private, especially if its in a small rural area, it doesn't necessarily mean that its a No. Anyway, you are all being remarkably restrained with all the "on the fence but No really" posters. Well done


  • #7930
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Shadowstrife wrote: »
    If you are voting 'Yes', can I please encourage you to go out and join a local canvassing team.

    We all know the undecideds will close this referendum. Every conversation door-to-door really helps dispel the misinformation out there.
    I'm in D14 not sure who to contact 're canvassing


  • #7931
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    baylah17 wrote: »
    Kk333 wrote: »
    Haha best of look if he does that. Dont mess with grannies.

    My Mum is 84 Catholic and a mass goer
    She votes Yes in 1983
    She voted Yes for Divorce in 1995
    She voted Yes to Marraige Equality
    She is voting Yes to repeal the 8th
    Dont presume that because a woman is old or religious they will just vote like sheep!

    I imagine she is very much in the minority but fair play to her for going against Roman Catholic recommendations!
    No
    Listening to her a lot of her friends in the Bridge Club and other groups she's involved in are either voting yes or are abstaining as they see it as young people's issue
    Her words


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  • #7932
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    Together for Yes "Dublin Bay South" are canvassing in Terenure on Wednesday.
    Search for them on Facebook if it suits to join and you are looking for more info.


  • #7933
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    baylah17 wrote: »
    I'm in D14 not sure who to contact 're canvassing

    You're looking for either Dublin South West Together for Yes or Dublin Mid West Together for Yes depending on your electoral area (that's how it's being divided up).

    Mid West - https://www.facebook.com/Together4YesDMW/

    South West - https://www.facebook.com/DublinSWProChoice/


  • #7934
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Shadowstrife wrote: »
    If you are voting 'Yes', can I please encourage you to go out and join a local canvassing team.
    BabysCoffee wrote: »
    I agree Shadowstrife. Boots on the ground are badly needed.

    Alas being in Germany there is very little I can do on the ground this time around. Aside from boards.ie I am not sure where else I could be usefully deployed remotely. politics.ie is a a near un-moderated mess little better than the cess pool comments section of you tube. So not much point discussing it there where people think "ye your mah" or "You are some w@nker" is an intellectual burn of a come back.

    I have been more useful over the years pushing politicians in the US, UK and other locations to put pressure on politicians back in Ireland. But now we actually have a referendum coming, that is not required much at the moment.

    To be honest though, the more clinical approach I take to the subject, I am not sure I would deploy me door to door if I were managing the ground troops. Not sure where I would be useful. Silenced and kept away from actual voters maybe :)

    So perhaps time for me to just shut up until it is time to start drafting actual legislation. But I am open to anything I can do remotely if anyone has further suggestions.


  • #7935
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I have been weighing up the arguments for myself and I was open to "yes" but i'm falling on the "no" side here principally because I don't know what the term limit would be on abortion. Think this is a fatal flaw in the "yes" campaign. Still time for the "yes" side to convince me.

    The citizens assembly recommended 12 weeks as a cut off and there is little reason to think the government will deviate from that. Even attempting to do so would be a hot potato that I reckon no Irish Politician will want to deal with.

    However if it allays your fears any, the simple fact is that longer term limits than 12 weeks do not have all that much affect on abortions that are based mainly on choice (as opposed to some medical necessity).

    When you compile the figures on women choosing to have abortions from countries with abortion totally illegal.... to countries with term limits like the UK or the US.... to countries with close to no limits like Canada...... they are consistent. Over 80% of abortions happen in or before week 10, 90-4% in or before week 12, and pretty much the near totality by week 16.

    However the statistics suggest countries where it is illegal are SLIGHTLY worse, likely due to the time spent planning, resourcing and paying for travel to other jurisdictions to avail of abortion. So regardless of term limits.... having abortion LOCAL would likely allay your fears more than voting no and having none here at all.

    So I think your heart is in the right place by being concerned IN THEORY with longer term limits. But in reality and actual practice is is a concern that is pretty groundless. If someone were looking for a reason to vote "no" however I am sure it is something that could use to justify that vote to themselves. But other than that, I see little to no reason to be concerned. It is not going to happen, and even if it did it would have next to no impact.


  • #7936
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    I imagine she is very much in the minority but fair play to her for going against Roman Catholic recommendations!

    I dont think she is .My Mam is over 90 years old .Voted Yes for Divorce , Yes for Marriage Equality and will vote Yes for Repeal . She and others understand that they cannot choose for other people what is right for them .Many of her age group feel the same .


  • #7937
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

    So perhaps time for me to just shut up until it is time to start drafting actual legislation. But I am open to anything I can do remotely if anyone has further suggestions.

    Please don't stop posting on boards.ie!!!!!

    I learn something new every time you post. Plus you are a wise and calming influence.


  • #7938
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    amdublin wrote: »
    Please don't stop posting on boards.ie!!!!!

    I learn something new every time you post. Plus you are a wise and calming influence.

    awww shucks look I am blushing :)

    Yeah I will continue to post here, but I am not seeing much utility in me doing much else anywhere else. But am open to suggestion. Though I have been rallying the Irish ExPat community over here to try and rally some yes voters back home so I am not doing NOTHING. Just very little :)

    Dammit you will not learn much new from THIS post though. Ehhhh ehhhh ehhhh..... did you know the Unabomber was likely caught because he used the CORRECT version of the phrase "Have your cake and eat it" in something he wrote to the media, and people who knew him IDed him on that.

    Sorry first thing that came into my head.


  • #7939
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I dont think she is .My Mam is over 90 years old .Voted Yes for Divorce , Yes for Marriage Equality and will vote Yes for Repeal . She and others understand that they cannot choose for other people what is right for them .Many of her age group feel the same .

    I think there's a lot of misconceptions over how people of a certain age/place/class/etc are going to vote. It was the same with regards to the marriage referendum: a lot of my friends out canvassing would come up with some eye-opening classist or ageist remarks.


  • #7940
    Smertrius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Smertrius


    so we can't have all abortions and preserve life baby and help teenagers and rape women have abortions if they want to, we shouldn't need to vote for this, abortions should have been allowed in Ireland a long time ago, no woman should be forced go to another country to have abortions and doctors could inform a pregnant woman that her baby might not live a long and be forced go to through pregnancy of 9 months only find out their child only live few a hours.


  • #7941
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Seeing as there's a second thread, but I don't see any info about it here.

    Mickey Harte (The Gaa chap) launched the GAA Athletes for a NO vote.

    It seems Ballyfermot De La Salle GAA Club didn't know the grounds were being used for a no vote campaign launch.


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  • #7942
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Seeing as there's a second thread, but I don't see any info about it here.

    Mickey Harte (The Gaa chap) launched the GAA Athletes for a NO vote.

    It seems Ballyfermot De La Salle GAA Club didn't know the grounds were being used for a no vote campaign launch.

    GAA are sending a letter to every club secretary in the country to let them know that no events on either side are to be held on the grounds or in the clubhouses of any of the clubs from now on.


  • #7943
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    January wrote: »
    GAA are sending a letter to every club secretary in the country to let them know that no events on either side are to be held on the grounds or in the clubhouses of any of the clubs from now on.



    Ballyfermot issued a statement distancing themselves completely from it


    (Not saying they are prochoice, just that the GAA should be no political)


  • #7944
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    One thing I love about living in a rural area compared to an urban one is the lack of door to door canvassers. It was so bloody annoying being pestered and turned me off voting for whatever was nagging me throughout the day.


  • #7945
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Haven't been in a church since I was about 10 for anything other than funerals and the like but my parents were saying the priest in the parish where I grew up has been telling parishioners to vote on their own gut, heart and head. No preaching of what the a Catholic Church hopes for, just that voting is an entirely private matter and this is a hugely emotive topic. Go vote how you see fit.

    Perhaps he's a member of ACP, as their the only reference to Catholic priests having this opinion, and they are considered dissidents from what I can see online.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Catholic_Priests

    https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/849220673495019521


    The bishops certainly are calling for a no vote from church goers but that would be as expected.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bishops-call-on-parishioners-to-oppose-repeal-of-eighth-469505.html

    People have their own opinions, but some will have this shaped by their religious leaders or if not religious by their personal beliefs and/or predujices and will not be swayed by regardless of what information they are presented with, hence the 'your voting for abortion on demand' and 'trust some women' posts by some people.

    On the older vote, my dad is in his mid sixties and will be voting repeal, he did the same for the SSM referendum. He didn't vote in 83 as he seen it as a women's issue in his opinion, seeing what's happened since he doesn't want his daughter or granddaughter being told to head to England or just get on with it regarding FFA etc by other people who have no knowledge or care for them. He's an atheist so religious belief to contend with, just personal beliefs.

    My aunt who is in her seventies and a weekly church goer is going to vote repeal, simply as in her words it's up to a woman or couple to make that decision and she believes no one takes a decision lightly in a case like abortion, and if such people do exist we can't exclude something for the majority because of the actions of a few.

    In contrast a cousin in her fifties is voting no, same as she did in the SSM. She just believes it and gay marriage are wrong on both religious and personal beliefs, her husband also feels the same and are quite vocal and active in their opposition to repeal.

    I think it will be a close vote, I hope it passes not because I want to see babies murdered (wait for posts from pro life poster saying I do), but so women who for what ever their reason require a termination have the choice to do so without having to travel from their own country.

    I'm traveling for work for the next couple of weeks but will be back for the vote, it's an important one and have taken annual leave time to ensure I'll be here, while my wife will be out canvassing from the first week in May.


  • #7946
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,159 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Would be interested in canvassing for Yes or helping out in some way. I'm in Dublin 15. I'm a bit concerned by the recent polls, which still look good I know, but I keep thinking back to the divorce referendum which started out with 70%+ support and ended up barely scraping through.


  • #7947
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Would be interested in canvassing for Yes or helping out in some way. I'm in Dublin 15. I'm a bit concerned by the recent polls, which still look good I know, but I keep thinking back to the divorce referendum which started out with 70%+ support and ended up barely scraping through.

    PM me! I'm the canvas lead for Dublin West Together for Yes so I'll give you all the info and if you can come along and help out please do.


  • #7948
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Was out of the country the last month and was struck by the amount of posters I saw today.

    All types, large, small, text, pictures, some boring and some looking to shock

    A plague on both their houses, I’d like to both side banned. I must have walked or bused past hundreds of these today.

    I am genuinely interested to know if any adult with a free thinking mind is ever influenced by election posters ? I just can't imagine being so unsure of my opinion to be swayed by a smiling face or a picture of a fetus in the womb ? I would really love to know if anyone is influenced by these posters ?


  • #7949
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I am genuinely interested to know if any adult with a free thinking mind is ever influenced by election posters ? I just can't imagine being so unsure of my opinion to be swayed by a smiling face or a picture of a fetus in the womb ? I would really love to know if anyone is influenced by these posters ?

    Not influenced by posters or canvassers.


  • #7950
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I am genuinely interested to know if any adult with a free thinking mind is ever influenced by election posters ? I just can't imagine being so unsure of my opinion to be swayed by a smiling face or a picture of a fetus in the womb ? I would really love to know if anyone is influenced by these posters ?


    I think some of them are very impactful with strong messages.


    I've seen ones saying "Trust the Women you know"
    Your sister
    Your daughter
    Your mother


    I think the Together for Yes one "Sometimes a private matter needs public support" is a great one to get people out who feel that it doesn't directly affect them so no need to vote,


    And then "compassion in a crisis" is a really lovely message about stopping shaming and punishing women.


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  • #7951
    jluv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭jluv


    When talks of repeal first surfaced I was a definite "No" voter. I think because like others I didn't totally understand what the 8th meant. Through discussions and reading up on it I am now a definite to vote "Yes".
    However if the 8th is repealed I feel that is where my dilemma will start. I'm not in agreement to abortion up to 12 weeks for any reason. But I have to separate the 2 .


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