Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

Asus X540L · 17-04-2018 04:58PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

What's the point of that comment?

Internet forum posts need a point?

sydthebeat · 17-04-2018 05:00PM

Asus X540L wrote: »

Internet forum posts need a point?

Yes.

Do you have some specific need to tell others your inner thoughts?

Asus X540L · 17-04-2018 05:05PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yes.

Do you have some specific need to tell others your inner thoughts?

Are you high or just simple?

sydthebeat · 17-04-2018 05:06PM

Asus X540L wrote: »

Are you high or just simple?

Yesterday

Anyway, on the list you go...

Asus X540L · 17-04-2018 05:44PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yesterday

Anyway, on the list you go...

Lol he said that like I should give a ****

Squatter · 17-04-2018 06:21PM

bilston wrote: »

Everyone hates Glasgow

They play an excellent brand of rugby and are lovely to watch, but the home supporters are truly ignorant.

bilston · 17-04-2018 06:41PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Asus X540L wrote: »

Paddy Jackson reminds me of the nice quiet guy that gets easily led by badboys like Stuart Olding

What's the point of that comment?

Well I guess we had the audacity to try and talk about the match on Saturday so it was obviously essential that we brought things back to Jackson and Olding.

bilston · 17-04-2018 06:43PM

Squatter wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

Everyone hates Glasgow

They play an excellent brand of rugby and are lovely to watch, but the home supporters are truly ignorant.

Their players wind me up as well. I'm sure they are all lovely blokes off the pitch but there is something very annoyingly cocky about them.

Neil3030 · 17-04-2018 06:45PM

Squatter wrote: »

They play an excellent brand of rugby and are lovely to watch, but the home supporters are truly ignorant.

Good! Gimme any atmosphere over no atmosphere.

bilston · 17-04-2018 06:45PM

Shame about Rea.

As someone said above Reidy, Timoney and Deysel for me with one of the kids on the bench like Agnew or Dunleavy, but I fear we will stick Hendy to 6 and go with AOC and Kieran "butter fingers" Treadwell in the row.

bilston · 17-04-2018 06:46PM

Isn't it great to be back playing on a HEC/Champions Cup semi final weekend...it's been far too long...

sydthebeat · 17-04-2018 06:47PM

bilston wrote: »

Shame about Rea.
.

We see what ya did there

Paul Smeenus · 17-04-2018 06:59PM

Video on Off the Ball website still complaining that Rory Best went to the trial.

Sweet Jeebus.

Former Former · 17-04-2018 07:07PM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Video on Off the Ball website still complaining that Rory Best went to the trial.

Sweet Jeebus.

The questions are still valid.

I'd love to hear the answers.

17-04-2018 07:15PM

Former Former wrote: »

The questions are still valid.

I'd love to hear the answers.

Yeah I feel the same. It was a bit of a cop out to blame it on a request 'from counsel' to be honest, if someone with oversight of the trial or within an authority position had explained things it would go a long way towards answering those questions. If there was someone completely neutral who could engage with counsel and give a direct insight into the request or who could explain the request without bias that would be optimal.

It's actually a bit of a pity the judge didn't address this. I think anyone who still had doubts would have moved on long ago had the judge offered some insight or confirmed the nature of the request.

Pity.

Paul Smeenus · 17-04-2018 07:26PM

Indeed, Venjur. Such a shame no-one ever did this...

Scythica · 17-04-2018 07:43PM

Is it safe to post here again?

Getting really bored with trawling through pages of crap to find any rugby related stuff.

If Ulster had carte Blanche to sign anyone at 10, who'd you go for? (and to avoid any direct issues... let's avoid those who've previously played for Ulster... besides CL... and NOC

)

jacothelad · 17-04-2018 07:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah I feel the same. It was a bit of a cop out to blame it on a request 'from counsel' to be honest, if someone with oversight of the trial or within an authority position had explained things it would go a long way towards answering those questions. If there was someone completely neutral who could engage with counsel and give a direct insight into the request or who could explain the request without bias that would be optimal.

It's actually a bit of a pity the judge didn't address this. I think anyone who still had doubts would have moved on long ago had the judge offered some insight or confirmed the nature of the request.

Pity.

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Indeed, Venjur. Such a shame no-one ever did this...

Yes but if the judge had some insight, what form might her words have taken? If only we knew. But then just like people arriving at guilty verdicts without the trial even starting and people not agreeing with the jury's verdict even though they listened to every word for 8 weeks, I suspect those citizens would think they knew better than the judge...or maybe think she was telling porkies. Perhaps they should let her know they have rumbled her.

bilston · 17-04-2018 07:52PM

Scythica wrote: »

Is it safe to post here again?

Getting really bored with trawling through pages of crap to find any rugby related stuff.

If Ulster had carte Blanche to sign anyone at 10, who'd you go for? (and to avoid any direct issues... let's avoid those who've previously played for Ulster... besides CL... and NOC )

Beauden Barrett is pretty good.

I don't think we are going to get any international 10s this close to a WC.

International quality out halves are pretty rare beasts. Which makes the loss of Jackson harder to take.

Muahahaha · 17-04-2018 07:56PM

Mod edit: Discussion of case deleted. Do not post on this topic again.

awec wrote: »

We have no idea whatsoever if they were actually sacked or paid off. Media reports suggest they received a financial settlement, which certainly is not a "sacking" in any common understanding of the term.

They were both sacked and paid off. This happens all the time with CEOs when the board want to remove them but dont want any subsequent negative PR or court cases. So there a pay off to accompany the sacking and the person signs what is known as a deed of renunciation which is basically a legal contract renouncing their right to sue after the event.

The only thing you need to ask yourself to ascertain whether or not they were sacked or not is did they have a choice in the matter? And the answer to that is clearly no, no they did not. Jackson is on record as being desperate to play for Ulster and Ireland so if he had a choice why did he not choose what he said he wanted to happen? The answer to that is he never had a choice, he was told here is your pay off, accept it or sue us. If you sue us we feel we are going to win and will pursue you for our costs which will likely be in the hundreds of thousands. Jackson is already down £500,000 in legal fees for the case, he was hardly likely to risk another few hundred thousand, especially if there is a clause in his contract about bringing his employer into disrepute which would be pretty standard in employment contracts.

FrancieBrady · 17-04-2018 08:01PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Mod edit: Discussion of case deleted. Do not post on this topic again.

They were both sacked and paid off. This happens all the time with CEOs when the board want to remove them but dont want any subsequent negative PR or court cases. So there a pay off to accompany the sacking and the person signs what is known as a deed of renunciation which is basically a legal contract renouncing their right to sue after the event.

The only thing you need to ask yourself to ascertain whether or not they were sacked or not is did they have a choice in the matter? And the answer to that is clearly no, no they did not. Jackson is on record as being desperate to play for Ulster and Ireland so if he had a choice why did he not choose what he said he wanted to happen? The answer to that is he never had a choice, he was told here is your pay off, accept it or sue us. If you sue us we feel we are going to win and will pursue you for our costs which will likely be in the hundreds of thousands.

You can call it being 'sacked' and there are those who want to think that.

But in reality it isn't, it is a mutually agreed cessation of the contract once a compensatory payment comes into it. A negotiation so to speak.

Former Former · 17-04-2018 08:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can call it being 'sacked' and there are those who want to think that.

But in reality it isn't, it is a mutually agreed cessation of the contract once a compensatory payment comes into it. A negotiation so to speak.

They had their contracts revoked.

I doubt it was mutual.

17-04-2018 08:05PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Mod edit: Discussion of case deleted. Do not post on this topic again.

Mod edit: Discussion of case deleted. Do not post on this topic again.

Muahahaha wrote: »

Jackson is on record as being desperate to play for Ulster and Ireland so if he had a choice why did he not choose what he said he wanted to happen?

Yes, Jacksons solicitor is on record saying he intends to continue to play for Ulster and Ireland. I wonder who that was directed at. I wonder who at that very time was hoping Jackson would just 'leave'.

It's like wondering why someone would announce their retirement a week before a massive redundancy pay out.

I don't know what happened. I accept that. But I also know for sure that you don't know what happened. The jury were in as strong position as anyone, I'm going to go along with their decision, not guilty but obviously silent on innocence. Move on.

Former Former wrote: »

They had their contracts revoked.

I doubt it was mutual.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if they were happy to move on. That doesn't mean they were going to roll over and do it for free. It also doesn't mean that if they were paid sufficiently that they wouldn't agree to the wording of the IRFU's statement.

irishbucsfan · 17-04-2018 08:06PM

Former Former wrote: »

They had their contracts revoked.

I doubt it was mutual.

I think some time needs to pass before there’ll be any sense had on that topic

Paul Smeenus · 17-04-2018 08:08PM

bilston wrote: »

Scythica wrote: »

Is it safe to post here again?

Getting really bored with trawling through pages of crap to find any rugby related stuff.

If Ulster had carte Blanche to sign anyone at 10, who'd you go for? (and to avoid any direct issues... let's avoid those who've previously played for Ulster... besides CL... and NOC )

Beauden Barrett is pretty good.

I don't think we are going to get any international 10s this close to a WC.

International quality out halves are pretty rare beasts. Which makes the loss of Jackson harder to take.

I'd take someone who was a bit over the hill as we have a number of talented youngsters who would really get some value out of direction.

17-04-2018 08:09PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think some time needs to pass before there’ll be any sense had on that topic

Not really, we won't know anything more on the matter. It makes sense that whatever was agreed will stay out of the public domain. If they were unilaterally sacked with no compensation then Jackson and Olding are free to continue talking about it as much as they want. Let's see if they do.

The Lost Sheep · 17-04-2018 08:11PM

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

I agree LS but would have to say that on the ground I have not really noticed an issue. I think we are all glad to see the players from whatever enjoying the game.

Theres plenty up there that would see it as an issue. Refs dinner held in town/near town where ref president is from. That its taken this long for an Ulster Society president to come from Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan says a lot.

Bridge93 wrote: »

Interestingly of Jordi Murphy's senior cup side in 2009, 6 are still playing pro rugby and none will be at Leinster.

Murphy - Ulster
Conway - Munster
Buckley - Connacht
Heffernan - Connacht
Macken - Wasps as of now
Dylan Fawsitt - America

Is it? They were a top schools side and considering so much made of schools rugby that 6 are playing pro in their late 20s isnt that much of a surprise is it? How many of their team mates not playing at all? From Schools cup team as well as 2nds/3rds etc
The same year Highfield were u18 all ireland champs. 3 are playing pro and a lot more are involved in Highfields AIL team fighting for promotion to AIL1B

Former Former · 17-04-2018 08:13PM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

I'd take someone who was a bit over the hill as we have a number of talented youngsters who would really get some value out of direction.

Stephen Donald is probably back on the market...

FrancieBrady · 17-04-2018 08:17PM

Former Former wrote: »

They had their contracts revoked.

I doubt it was mutual.

Peculiar choice of word 'revoke'.

He was also very careful with his use of the word 'envisage' too.
Those who 'wanted to' took that to mean that they will never play for Uls or Ire again whereas I would say the door has been left open

irishbucsfan · 17-04-2018 08:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not really, we won't know anything more on the matter. It makes sense that whatever was agreed will stay out of the public domain. If they were unilaterally sacked with no compensation then Jackson and Olding are free to continue talking about it as much as they want. Let's see if they do.

I don’t think anyone is saying there was no compensation, I don’t think, that would be the most unlikely outcome I’d say.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

Comments