Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

launish116 · 15-04-2018 05:54PM

Just can't see Cipriani getting along with Ulster.
Larkin been mentioned on another board and by UAFC member, same member referred to Leafiano knowing potential coach. Stephen Larkin ex-brumbie and assistant Australia fits the description. He would also know Nucifora. Also been whispers that there have been interviews with Malinder, Robinson etc earlier in week, but Nucifora didn't bother attending. Take that with a pinch of salt, a lot of assumptions.

hogandrew · 15-04-2018 06:18PM

bilston wrote: »

Why does Ulster need to clean up its image? What's it done wrong?

There have been reports that both BOI and Kingspan were against Jackson and Olding returning to the club over the bad press. Perhaps keeping a clean image might have been better wording on my behalf.

Cipriani as far as I know has been convicted of drink driving and has been in the media a few times in the past over various incidents. There was reports of him leaving a stripper he had been seeing not too long ago when he found out she was pregnant.

I couldn't see them going near him

Buer · 15-04-2018 06:21PM

joseywhales wrote: »

Ok so I take your point that despite the fact that madigan was selected ahead of Jackson at the time, that Jackson has become a better outhalf later.

I also believe that despite the fact that Jackson was selected ahead of ogara he has never gone on to become a better outhalf than ogara was before.

Madigan<Jackson<ogara

Grand. This was never my point at any stage.

DGRulz · 15-04-2018 06:24PM

Ben Teo had a pretty colorful history before he left for Leinster, I've personally only learnt of it recently enough, years after he'd left for England where I doubt the majority of people now anything about his past in Australia. Fair enough theres a difference between Austrailia to Ireland and England to Ireland but people only feel righteous and complain about things happening on their own doorstep and if people aren't complaining sponsors won't care.

errlloyd · 15-04-2018 06:33PM

DGRulz wrote: »

Ben Teo had a pretty colorful history before he left for Leinster, I've personally only learnt of it recently enough, years after he'd left for England where I doubt the majority of people now anything about his past in Australia. Fair enough theres a difference between Austrailia to Ireland and England to Ireland but people only feel righteous and complain about things happening on their own doorstep and if people aren't complaining sponsors won't care.

Just to clarify. Ben Teo was accused of a significantly less serious crime and never charged as police ruled there was no case to answer.

Im just clarifying because I wouldn't want people to think his situation was any way comparable to Paddy and Stuarts.

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 06:43PM

Just got this email

The URSC has noted the outcome of the review into the conduct of Paddy Jackson, Stuart Olding and Craig Gilroy. It has also noted the responses of the players concerned to the sanctions imposed.

Previously URSC had said it respected the judicial outcome and the review process. Subsequently URSC asked that the review outcome be proportionate and in line with precedence.

URSC will now examine the review outcome, and taking account of its members’ views, will provide its considered response in due course.

How should URSC respond to the outcome of the IRFU/Ulster Rugby review into the conduct of Stuart Olding, Paddy Jackson & Craig Gilroy?

A: pleased they are gone, they have brought disgrace to Ulster Rugby. See you on Saturday.

B: move on, we are a Supporters Club and we support the club not individual players. See you on Saturday.

C: disappointed but not surprised by the outcome. URSC to write to IRFU/Ulster expressing same.

appalled at the outcome - protest at the Glasgow game. See you outside on Saturday.

E: appalled at the outcome. Boycott Glasgow game. Won’t see you on Saturday.

Please let us know your views by Monday 16th April at 5 pm.

Dubinusa · 15-04-2018 06:46PM

Madigan is a good player. He can fill several positions and is a very good placekicker. P.J is a better 10, but not as flexible to cover different positions. That's probably why Madigan got selected ahead of P.J for the bench.
Gopperth going to Leinster ruined any chance of Madigan becoming a top 10. That's why the foreign signings are a part imo.

Former Former · 15-04-2018 06:51PM

damianmcr wrote: »

Just got this email

Could they not have held off for a few days and let people digest the news a bit? Just seems likely to rile people up

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 07:03PM

Lets hope so and the place is empty

bilston · 15-04-2018 07:04PM

damianmcr wrote: »

Just got this email

Not that I'm a member but C for me. I'm disappointed but I'm not going to boycott Ulster rugby over it. This was not a situation either they or the IRFU created. Nothing will bring the players back (sounds like they are dead).

As Former Former says there are strong opinions out there. It's probably inevitable that supporters will make their views aired in some way against Glasgow, but as I said to IBF earlier, if you leave people to their disappointment they will eventually get over it.

I will say this. They have been punished now (too harshly IMO but it's been done), leave them to get on with their careers.

Maybe the IRFU need to be made aware how many Ulster supporters feel about this, maybe it's just about making some supporters feel a bit better about the situation. But it will eventually die down.

We need to focus on getting a replacement 10 now, I would think the IRFU will be keen to help us in this respect.

Which brings me onto our squad for next season...but I'll do that in a separate post.

bilston · 15-04-2018 07:06PM

damianmcr wrote: »

Lets hope so and the place is empty

How is that fair on the 23 Ulster players that will actually take the pitch on Saturday, do we not support them as well?

Yes do something to make the IRFU aware you're disappointed, but don't punish the very people you support and have done nothing to deserve punishment...and actually many of those players are probably as p****d off, if not more so about the situation than the fans.

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 07:08PM

bilston wrote: »

Not that I'm a member but C for me. I'm disappointed but I'm not going to boycott Ulster rugby over it. This was not a situation either they or the IRFU created. Nothing will bring the players back (sounds like they are dead).

As Former Former says there are strong opinions out there. It's probably inevitable that supporters will make their views aired in some way against Glasgow, but as I said to IBF earlier, if you leave people to their disappointment they will eventually get over it.

I will say this. They have been punished now (too harshly IMO but it's been done), leave them to get on with their careers.

Maybe the IRFU need to be made aware how many Ulster supporters feel about this, maybe it's just about making some supporters feel a bit better about the situation. But it will eventually die down.

We need to focus on getting a replacement 10 now, I would think the IRFU will be keen to help us in this respect.

Which brings me onto our squad for next season...but I'll do that in a separate post.

As much as we need to have a conversation about consent etc I think the IRFU should be made to have a conversation about redemption.

Can these players hope to play for Ulster and Ireland again? And if not, why not?

Do the sponsors and social media run the show ultimately. I think any young player needs to know this.

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 07:12PM

It will die down but it will be nice for Ulster to know how the fans feel.

mfceiling · 15-04-2018 07:17PM

Faugheen wrote: »

It's just as laughable to suggest Jackson was the best place kicker in the world before he got suspended. A very good one indeed, but come on...

So you got the stats to prove his kicking was indeed the best at over 90% so rather than accept that fact you then want to know where the kicks were taken from.
Do you want wind readings, decibel noise from the crowd, length of grass?

As I said...move the goalposts.

bilston · 15-04-2018 07:21PM

damianmcr wrote: »

It will die down but it will be nice for Ulster to know how the fans feel.

I don't disagree Damian. But personally I'd prefer it was done in a way that didn't impact upon the players. Playing in an empty stadium (doubt that will happen anyway) in a such an important game won't help anyone.

Asus X540L · 15-04-2018 07:26PM

Well lads hope ye all had a great Saturday night.
Ps; Any sluts get ****ed?

Former Former · 15-04-2018 07:30PM

Wow.

This must be the only time when saying "yeah, your ma says hi" would actually RAISE the tone of the discussion.

Asus X540L · 15-04-2018 07:32PM

Former Former wrote: »

Wow.

This must be the only time when saying "yeah, your ma says hi" would actually RAISE the tone of the discussion.

I just wanted to see how it feels to be worse than Adolf Hitler for saying that.

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 07:36PM

bilston wrote: »

I don't disagree Damian. But personally I'd prefer it was done in a way that didn't impact upon the players. Playing in an empty stadium (doubt that will happen anyway) in a such an important game won't help anyone.

I'm sure the players will understand. Dont forget the pair were friend's. Best friend to one.

Rumor has it the players learned Friday morning and didn't want to play.

bilston · 15-04-2018 07:53PM

damianmcr wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

I don't disagree Damian. But personally I'd prefer it was done in a way that didn't impact upon the players. Playing in an empty stadium (doubt that will happen anyway) in a such an important game won't help anyone.

I'm sure the players will understand. Dont forget the pair were friend's. Best friend to one.

Rumor has it the players learned Friday morning and didn't want to play.

Yeah, but they did play and the player who you refer to is our best and most important player and needs the fans support, as I've little doubt he will be feeling pretty down about the whole thing.

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 07:56PM

Yes I understand. I think he used his anger as well. Best I've seen him for Ulster in a wile.

Most fans will return but Ulster have lost some of their oldest and most passionate fans unfortunately.

I think replacing Logan could go a long long way to fixing this problem.

bilston · 15-04-2018 08:01PM

damianmcr wrote: »

Yes I understand. I think he used his anger as well. Best I've seen him for Ulster in a wile.

Most fans will return but Ulster have lost some of their oldest and most passionate fans unfortunately.

I think replacing Logan could go a long long way to fixing this problem.

Yeah, possibly. Although is he not a missing person at this stage?!

What's happened to uafc? Seems odd that it's barely been online for the last 36 hours. Too much traffic?

MJohnston · 15-04-2018 08:04PM

damianmcr wrote: »

It will die down but it will be nice for Ulster to know how the fans feel.

They'll only find out how URSC feel, and nothing more. And in fact, they might not even find that out if URSC decide to only communicate the majority opinion.

URSC certainly haven't been representing my point of view as an Ulster supporter in recent weeks.

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 08:06PM

He is and thats part of the fans problems. He is due to give a press conference on Tuesday and is for Dublin on Monday on what he can and cannot say. He might not be part of the problem but right now it seems he has to go. I understand he is also just an employee himself.

Its just SQL errors. Its been happening on and off. Not sure if its traffic.

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 08:07PM

MJohnston wrote: »

They'll only find out how URSC feel, and nothing more. And in fact, they might not even find that out if URSC decide to only communicate the majority opinion.

URSC certainly haven't been representing my point of view as an Ulster supporter in recent weeks.

What is your POV?

MJohnston · 15-04-2018 08:20PM

damianmcr wrote: »

What is your POV?

My point of view is that I think them being moved on from Ulster and Ireland was the correct choice for everyone, and that Ulster Rugby needs to move on and get on with appointing a new DoR.

URSC, and McBride representing them, have been either naively or ignorantly pushing for the two players to return with the presumption that this was what their entire supporter base wanted, and are only now stopping to ask what people think. I doubt they'll get anything other than C/D/E responses now that they've essentially alienated anyone who might have been in URSC that was of the A/B opinion.

Their position as "Official Supporters Club" also gives them a perceived public standing as representatives of Ulster fans in general, and I'm pretty angry that they felt like getting involved with this was acceptable or indeed welcome.

Hands Like Flippers · 15-04-2018 09:47PM

B

UR and the IRFU were In a no win situation and it was not of their making.

It is the era of professional rugby. Sponsors are needed. Consequently given the sponsors' misgivings and views, coupled with us being in the era of the Twitter mob etc there was really ever going to be one outcome.

Whilst people are emotional (understandably) about the two players leaving the club is bigger than two players who let themselves and the club down (see their own statements etc).

They have served a severe punishment already clearly but I can understand why they have been let go and they will still make a great living by the sounds of it.

Given we have now lost all our head coaches/DOR's and 2 top players plus Piteau etc etc I do NOTb understand why Logan out is apparently the solution. For the sake of the club I for one am glad that someone with a business head is in charge. Those who wish to sack Logan, keep the players and tell the sponsors to get stuffed might not have much of a club left. Where would all the money for the Academy and big players and wages come from if sponsors understand the club isn't interested in their viewpoint? PR guy was on the radio saying sponsorship was approx 2.5 M pa whereas gate receipts were approx 3.3M.

I am sorry for PJ and SO but the club needs to look after itself first and foremost. I understand that UR/IRFU regularly teach/warn the players about their behaviour in public/with the other sex etc.

Former Former · 15-04-2018 10:01PM

Olding not a done deal yet anyway. Not on Exeter's radar...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0415/954702-exeter-dismiss-reports-linking-them-to-stuart-olding/

damianmcr · 15-04-2018 10:07PM

I do understand all that Hands.

People here are still livid over the Ruan decision. There are fans who haven't graced Ravenhill since. I'm one of the ones who wasn't happy but understood the decision.

I'm gutted about the two being let go. I'd rather have Jackson than Barrett. I was/am a huge Olding fan. Something special about him. Wish the pair all the luck in the world.

15-04-2018 11:09PM

mfceiling wrote: »

So you got the stats to prove his kicking was indeed the best at over 90% so rather than accept that fact you then want to know where the kicks were taken from.
Do you want wind readings, decibel noise from the crowd, length of grass?

As I said...move the goalposts.

Setting the 'goalposts' as only being PJ's best season isn't exactly a good place to start from!

As has been previously posted, when it comes to overall kicking stats:
http://linebreakrugby.com/2016/06/rugby-kicking-stats/

Player Name | Attempts at Goal | Success Percentage
Johnny Sexton | 830 | 88.7%
Ian Madigan | 411 | 87.6%
Ronan O’Gara | 1276 | 86%
Paddy Jackson | 488 | 81.3%

PJ's international record is at 82.6% (76/92), Madigan is at 79% (45/57) and Sexton is at 79% (234/295).

Interestingly, over Keatley's entire career, he's at 82.3% (717/871) which I found very surprising.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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