Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

JimmyTee · 27-07-2017 10:54PM #1

I have been on Turas Nua's books with about 3 months, they haven't done anything worth while for me during this time, but I obliged their requests for meetings, as I understood at the time it was part of the social welfare system and their requirments.

Now I have since got a job on my own merit, so I contacted my appointed rep at Turas Nua just to be polite and to sign of their system, after a friendly chat and me telling her the company name and the position I have been given, she then tells me they will need to contact my new employer to verify my employment and ensure my benefits will be correct (BS), this was the point I sniffed a rat and realised she didn't have my best interests at heart (How naive am I ).

Upon checking the web about Turas Nua, I only now realise they are a private company appointed by the Department of Social protection. They are a profit making company and not a state body.

I have told them very firmly not to contact my new employer, but they have said that I signed a acceptance form with them at the start and this allows them to follow my progress, and part of that is contacting employers.

I contacted Citizens Information, who put me onto the Data Protection Commissioner, their reply was if "I had signed an agreement, then Turas Nua may be entitled to contact my employer".

This is a ludicrous situation, I don't want them hassling my new employer, and no doubt they are trying to see if they can get others in the door as well as earning their own commission.

I don't know if there is much I can do at this point.

So this is more a word of warning to others who may be asked to sign up with Turas Nua and what their motives are, because you are not number one priority.

_Brian · 27-07-2017 11:00PM

The current government were well aware that this system had failed in the UK when it was implemented here.

However it's a nice sell to the blue shirts that the dirty lower classes on social welfare are being beaten out to work and become members of the "early risers" and so pay taxes.

From what I've heard it's not expected that the contract will be renewed and this process will cease, but it may go on for another two years.

LegacyUser · 28-07-2017 12:11AM

JimmyTee wrote: »

I have been on Turas Nua's books with about 3 months, they haven't done anything worth while for me during this time, but I obliged their requests for meetings, as I understood at the time it was part of the social welfare system and their requirments.

Now I have since got a job on my own merit, so I contacted my appointed rep at Turas Nua just to be polite and to sign of their system, after a friendly chat and me telling her the company name and the position I have been given, she then tells me they will need to contact my new employer to verify my employment and ensure my benefits will be correct (BS), this was the point I sniffed a rat and realised she didn't have my best interests at heart (How naive am I ).

Upon checking the web about Turas Nua, I only now realise they are a private company appointed by the Department of Social protection. They are a profit making company and not a state body.

I have told them very firmly not to contact my new employer, but they have said that I signed a acceptance form with them at the start and this allows them to follow my progress, and part of that is contacting employers.

I contacted Citizens Information, who put me onto the Data Protection Commissioner, their reply was if "I had signed an agreement, then Turas Nua may be entitled to contact my employer".

This is a ludicrous situation, I don't want them hassling my new employer, and no doubt they are trying to see if they can get others in the door as well as earning their own commission.

I don't know if there is much I can do at this point.

So this is more a word of warning to others who may be asked to sign up with Turas Nua and what their motives are, because you are not number one priority.

Turas Nua will say to the Department of social protection they helped you get the Job and will claim their Bonus . This is how they operate. Thet are only interested in making a Profit and not helping you

jimmycrackcorm · 28-07-2017 12:16AM

JimmyTee wrote:

Now I have since got a job on my own merit, so I contacted my appointed rep at Turas Nua just to be polite and to sign of their system, after a friendly chat and me telling her the company name and the position I have been given, she then tells me they will need to contact my new employer to verify my employment and ensure my benefits will be correct (BS), this was the point I sniffed a rat and realised she didn't have my best interests at heart (How naive am I ).

They want to know your employer so that they can take credit for getting you your job.

AvonEnniskerry · 28-07-2017 12:29AM

Turas nua have a ridiculously high turnover of staff. And most certainly do not have your best interests at heart. While I attended their meetings a few years ago due to my benefit being cut off I didn't, I also received letters to attend other places. One of them being the county council hiring for positions. I had a meeting with them and was offered a position looking after the local community hall... Reported back to turas nua only to be told that I was not allowed to attend other meetings as I'd signed a contract with them.

NinetyTwoTeam · 28-07-2017 12:43AM

Ask for a copy of that agreement. Surely they can only contact employers they put you in contact with.

I'm on Jobpath thru Seetec and I've heard of them trying the same trick. In the month I've been on it, they've informed me of a grand total of 2 jobs so far, a minimum wage takeaway job, and a minimum wage shop job. I worked at stuff like that when I was 16, before earning a degree.

It's a joke, the unemployed are not the reason for unemployment, it's a lack of jobs. This scheme is so disgusting, it makes the unemployed into a product for businesses with crap wages to take advantage of them under threat of having benefits cut. Some of the ones in my group session were near retirement age, how is this company going to put them into a job when people 20-30 years younger can't get one.

I certainly don't want any company to get paid for putting me into a minimum wage job, and when work was available I was quite capable of applying and interviewing and getting work on my own. I find this scheme so offensive, and I want it to fail so badly that I am going to actually make sure I don't get work with any company they put me into because I don't want them to get credit, and because they only put you onto minimum wage jobs anyway which isn't enough to live independently on.

Samsgirl · 02-08-2017 06:11PM

It has been two months to the day since I started my new job. Which I got without any help from turas nua. I was on a panel awaiting placement when I was forced to go to this shower.
They tried the usual spiel when I was placed asking where I was working etc... I refused to tell them.
So today, yet another call. This this is my 7th call since I started work.
It's a total and utter scam by them.

Bradley Pitt · 04-08-2017 08:25PM

Samsgirl wrote: »

It has been two months to the day since I started my new job. Which I got without any help from turas nua. I was on a panel awaiting placement when I was forced to go to this shower.
They tried the usual spiel when I was placed asking where I was working etc... I refused to tell them.
So today, yet another call. This this is my 7th call since I started work.
It's a total and utter scam by them.

I wonder will they keep contacting you for the whole year. They probably will say they did and collect their commission from the Department.

straighttohell · 25-03-2018 07:35PM

I wish I'd seen these posts a few months ago. I have been working part time with my company for a number of year while also being entitled to a small bit of jobseekers. I increased my hours recently and came off jobseekers and about a week before that got a letter from T. Nua saying I had to attend for interview or else. I should have told them to sod off. After a token interview I've been badgered with phone calls , texts and they've also contacted my employer. I asked her why on the phone, while I was at work and busy, and she muttered something about needing a VAT No. The whole thing is a scam. I'm contacting my local Benefit Office to see where I can complain for what it's worth. If anyone gets a letter, ignore it. They have NO power.

fin12 · 30-03-2018 01:09PM

Does anyone know what contact do they do with your new employer and what questions would they be asking them?

straighttohell · 30-03-2018 02:24PM

She told me she just needed a VAT number!!
I was busy at work when she called me and didnt pursue it. If I'd known at the time what the crack was I wouldnt have been as blase about it

fin12 · 30-03-2018 03:08PM

straighttohell wrote: »

She told me she just needed a VAT number!!
I was busy at work when she called me and didnt pursue it. If I'd known at the time what the crack was I wouldnt have been as blase about it

Ya it’s just I was told by my advisor that I’m going to be getting a phone call every 4 weeks. I’m just like why do I have to continue to engage with them when I won’t be getting dole money.

straighttohell · 30-03-2018 03:34PM

Yes , I had the same ****e. I ended up ringing the Dept of Social Protect.... to complain. She said she would contact them. No harm having a moan, taxpayers are paying for this.
Did they (Tuaras Nua) get you that job?

fin12 · 30-03-2018 03:56PM

straighttohell wrote: »

Yes , I had the same ****e. I ended up ringing the Dept of Social Protect.... to complain. She said she would contact them. No harm having a moan, taxpayers are paying for this.
Did they (Tuaras Nua) get you that job?

No they didn’t get me the job.

straighttohell · 30-03-2018 05:53PM

Likewise, it's a complete scam. There was even an article in the Independent recently about these Job Path companies. I didnt realise at the time that TN were one of them.

fin12 · 30-03-2018 06:39PM

straighttohell wrote: »

Likewise, it's a complete scam. There was even an article in the Independent recently about these Job Path companies. I didnt realise at the time that TN were one of them.

Ya but do you know how long they will continue to contact you after finding a job?

straighttohell · 30-03-2018 08:12PM

I ignored the third of those calls and then complained to Welfare, and don't expect to hear any more back.

Plugguy · 30-03-2018 09:07PM

fin12 wrote: »

Ya but do you know how long they will continue to contact you after finding a job?

They will probably contact you until your 12 month period with them is up.

PTH2009 · 31-03-2018 11:54AM

Done a few jokes of courses and with there expert advice on CVs and Cover letters I'm getting no luck and there meetings are bs. I can look up job sites at home

I'm on an 8hr plus contract with hours changing week to week but still part time. Some week's I'm over 20-30 hours

I'm just obliging with them til my time is up and hoping I pick up a full time job myself. The texts u get are comical, almost calling u a criminal if u miss a meeting/course

fin12 · 31-03-2018 12:14PM

What gets under my skin is the fact u have to keep interacting with them when your not even getting dole money. F*ckin joke and if I don’t take the phone calls will they harass my employer.

straighttohell · 31-03-2018 05:31PM

If they don't stop hassling you tell them you're going to contact various newspapers to tell them what's happening. Unless they're completely clueless they'll be aware that these Job Path companies are already getting bad press and they surely wont want any more.
For me, contacting the Welfare dept seems to have worked, havent heard anything since.

Irish.26 · 15-04-2018 12:59PM

I'm working part time and still claiming some money from jobseekers allowance. I've been contacted my Job Path numerous times to attend an information session. I haven't attended any yet as I'm working on the day's I'm being called in and I've phoned explaining that. Reading these comments, I'm unsure about attending now as I don't want to be signed up for a year with them and having to accept jobs I don't want as I've already got a part time one myself. I've already got 3 strikes against me for not attending the information session and my jobseekers allowance was suspended for a few weeks. I phoned the social welfare department and they said I have to attend Job Path, I don't know what to do..

NATLOR · 15-04-2018 01:06PM

Irish.26 wrote: »

I'm working part time and still claiming some money from jobseekers allowance. I've been contacted my Job Path numerous times to attend an information session. I haven't attended any yet as I'm working on the day's I'm being called in and I've phoned explaining that. Reading these comments, I'm unsure about attending now as I don't want to be signed up for a year with them and having to accept jobs I don't want as I've already got a part time one myself. I've already got 3 strikes against me for not attending the information session and my jobseekers allowance was suspended for a few weeks. I phoned the social welfare department and they said I have to attend Job Path, I don't know what to do..

You have to continue to engage with them as long as you are receiving a state benefit payment.

splinter65 · 15-04-2018 03:16PM

Irish.26 wrote: »

I'm working part time and still claiming some money from jobseekers allowance. I've been contacted my Job Path numerous times to attend an information session. I haven't attended any yet as I'm working on the day's I'm being called in and I've phoned explaining that. Reading these comments, I'm unsure about attending now as I don't want to be signed up for a year with them and having to accept jobs I don't want as I've already got a part time one myself. I've already got 3 strikes against me for not attending the information session and my jobseekers allowance was suspended for a few weeks. I phoned the social welfare department and they said I have to attend Job Path, I don't know what to do..

You can’t get any JSA if your not available for full time work.
Might you be eligible for FIS instead ?

straighttohell · 15-04-2018 03:55PM

Since you're working P/T it's very unlikely they'll be able to offer you anything suitable for the other days but you've been unlucky in that you've been highlighted to attend this and that. If you stay on JSA you will need to make some token appearance - see Splinter's comment. Just maintain enough contact so as not to encourage them......

Irish.26 · 15-04-2018 04:50PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You can’t get any JSA if your not available for full time work.
Might you be eligible for FIS instead ?

I've been getting paid a small amount of jobseekers allowance upon the day's I'm not working for the past year. My days vary, I could be working 3/4 day's a week sometimes a full week. What is FIS?

Irish.26 · 15-04-2018 04:58PM

straighttohell wrote: »

Since you're working P/T it's very unlikely they'll be able to offer you anything suitable for the other days but you've been unlucky in that you've been highlighted to attend this and that. If you stay on JSA you will need to make some token appearance - see Splinter's comment. Just maintain enough contact so as not to encourage them......

Ok thanks for your advice. I'm thinking strongly of just not attending as I'm clearly happy where I am and I'm getting more work which is leading to me working full weeks sometimes. So I don't see how they will be a able to place me anywhere that will suit me. If I go I'm afraid of being hounded by them for the whole year and having them torment by boss too.

fin12 · 15-04-2018 05:35PM

Irish.26 wrote: »

Ok thanks for your advice. I'm thinking strongly of just not attending as I'm clearly happy where I am and I'm getting more work which is leading to me working full weeks sometimes. So I don't see how they will be a able to place me anywhere that will suit me. If I go I'm afraid of being hounded by them for the whole year and having them torment by boss too.

Usually once you start with them, you have to attend meeting with your personal advisor every two weeks, which are a load of **** nd you just telling them what jobs you ha e applied for, That’s what I had to do anyway. Then outside of these meetings you can be put on courses some which can last all day.

And the funny thing is if you are travelling to this meetings, they give u a payment for travel expenses but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of the cost of me attending my meetings, I had to make a journey altogether of 16 miles and then pay for parking, that costs a lot more than the €2.60 I was given and then one time I went to my appointment and my PA was leaving the office for the day and wouldn’t do my appointment so I didn’t even get the travel payment that day and had to go in the following week cause they f*cked up.

And then to top it all off, they then take credit when you get a job even though it had f*ck all to do with it.

Oh and they also make out that they only target long term unemployed and will only be placed with them if you are a year on the dole. I was sent to them after only 2 weeks of being on the dole because I think we can all understand who do you think is going to get employment fast and the most choice the person who has just come out of employment or the fella who has been on the dole years, you find very few of long term dollies in there because they know they don’t have a hope in hell of getting them a job.

Irish.26 · 15-04-2018 07:09PM

fin12 wrote: »

Usually once you start with them, you have to attend meeting with your personal advisor every two weeks, which are a load of **** nd you just telling them what jobs you ha e applied for, That’s what I had to do anyway. Then outside of these meetings you can be put on courses some which can last all day.

And the funny thing is if you are travelling to this meetings, they give u a payment for travel expenses but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of the cost of me attending my meetings, I had to make a journey altogether of 16 miles and then pay for parking, that costs a lot more than the €2.60 I was given and then one time I went to my appointment and my PA was leaving the office for the day and wouldn’t do my appointment so I didn’t even get the travel payment that day and had to go in the following week cause they f*cked up.

And then to top it all off, they then take credit when you get a job even though it had f*ck all to do with it.

Oh and they also make out that they only target long term unemployed and will only be placed with them if you are a year on the dole. I was sent to them after only 2 weeks of being on the dole because I think we can all understand who do you think is going to get employment fast and the most choice the person who has just come out of employment or the fella who has been on the dole years, you find very few of long term dollies in there because they know they don’t have a hope in hell of getting them a job.

It looks as though they make you think your number 1 priority when actually they don't care where they place you as long as you end up getting full time employment out of it and then bang you off jobseekers.

Squatter · 15-04-2018 07:11PM

Irish.26 wrote: »

I've been getting paid a small amount of jobseekers allowance upon the day's I'm not working for the past year. My days vary, I could be working 3/4 day's a week sometimes a full week. What is FIS?

Family Income Supplement - now called Working Family Payment.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/family_income_supplement.html

splinter65 · 15-04-2018 07:57PM

Irish.26 wrote: »

It looks as though they make you think your number 1 priority when actually they don't care where they place you as long as you end up getting full time employment out of it and then bang you off jobseekers.

The objective of being on Jobseekers is to get a full time job as quick as possible so you can get off Jobseekers.

Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

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