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Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

  • 27-07-2017 10:54pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭JimmyTee


    I have been on Turas Nua's books with about 3 months, they haven't done anything worth while for me during this time, but I obliged their requests for meetings, as I understood at the time it was part of the social welfare system and their requirments.

    Now I have since got a job on my own merit, so I contacted my appointed rep at Turas Nua just to be polite and to sign of their system, after a friendly chat and me telling her the company name and the position I have been given, she then tells me they will need to contact my new employer to verify my employment and ensure my benefits will be correct (BS), this was the point I sniffed a rat and realised she didn't have my best interests at heart (How naive am I ).

    Upon checking the web about Turas Nua, I only now realise they are a private company appointed by the Department of Social protection. They are a profit making company and not a state body.

    I have told them very firmly not to contact my new employer, but they have said that I signed a acceptance form with them at the start and this allows them to follow my progress, and part of that is contacting employers.

    I contacted Citizens Information, who put me onto the Data Protection Commissioner, their reply was if "I had signed an agreement, then Turas Nua may be entitled to contact my employer".

    This is a ludicrous situation, I don't want them hassling my new employer, and no doubt they are trying to see if they can get others in the door as well as earning their own commission.

    I don't know if there is much I can do at this point.

    So this is more a word of warning to others who may be asked to sign up with Turas Nua and what their motives are, because you are not number one priority.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    The current government were well aware that this system had failed in the UK when it was implemented here.

    However it's a nice sell to the blue shirts that the dirty lower classes on social welfare are being beaten out to work and become members of the "early risers" and so pay taxes.

    From what I've heard it's not expected that the contract will be renewed and this process will cease, but it may go on for another two years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    JimmyTee wrote: »
    I have been on Turas Nua's books with about 3 months, they haven't done anything worth while for me during this time, but I obliged their requests for meetings, as I understood at the time it was part of the social welfare system and their requirments.

    Now I have since got a job on my own merit, so I contacted my appointed rep at Turas Nua just to be polite and to sign of their system, after a friendly chat and me telling her the company name and the position I have been given, she then tells me they will need to contact my new employer to verify my employment and ensure my benefits will be correct (BS), this was the point I sniffed a rat and realised she didn't have my best interests at heart (How naive am I ).

    Upon checking the web about Turas Nua, I only now realise they are a private company appointed by the Department of Social protection. They are a profit making company and not a state body.

    I have told them very firmly not to contact my new employer, but they have said that I signed a acceptance form with them at the start and this allows them to follow my progress, and part of that is contacting employers.

    I contacted Citizens Information, who put me onto the Data Protection Commissioner, their reply was if "I had signed an agreement, then Turas Nua may be entitled to contact my employer".

    This is a ludicrous situation, I don't want them hassling my new employer, and no doubt they are trying to see if they can get others in the door as well as earning their own commission.

    I don't know if there is much I can do at this point.

    So this is more a word of warning to others who may be asked to sign up with Turas Nua and what their motives are, because you are not number one priority.

    Turas Nua will say to the Department of social protection they helped you get the Job and will claim their Bonus . This is how they operate. Thet are only interested in making a Profit and not helping you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,378 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    JimmyTee wrote:
    Now I have since got a job on my own merit, so I contacted my appointed rep at Turas Nua just to be polite and to sign of their system, after a friendly chat and me telling her the company name and the position I have been given, she then tells me they will need to contact my new employer to verify my employment and ensure my benefits will be correct (BS), this was the point I sniffed a rat and realised she didn't have my best interests at heart (How naive am I ).


    They want to know your employer so that they can take credit for getting you your job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭AvonEnniskerry


    Turas nua have a ridiculously high turnover of staff. And most certainly do not have your best interests at heart. While I attended their meetings a few years ago due to my benefit being cut off I didn't, I also received letters to attend other places. One of them being the county council hiring for positions. I had a meeting with them and was offered a position looking after the local community hall... Reported back to turas nua only to be told that I was not allowed to attend other meetings as I'd signed a contract with them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭NinetyTwoTeam


    Ask for a copy of that agreement. Surely they can only contact employers they put you in contact with.

    I'm on Jobpath thru Seetec and I've heard of them trying the same trick. In the month I've been on it, they've informed me of a grand total of 2 jobs so far, a minimum wage takeaway job, and a minimum wage shop job. I worked at stuff like that when I was 16, before earning a degree.

    It's a joke, the unemployed are not the reason for unemployment, it's a lack of jobs. This scheme is so disgusting, it makes the unemployed into a product for businesses with crap wages to take advantage of them under threat of having benefits cut. Some of the ones in my group session were near retirement age, how is this company going to put them into a job when people 20-30 years younger can't get one.

    I certainly don't want any company to get paid for putting me into a minimum wage job, and when work was available I was quite capable of applying and interviewing and getting work on my own. I find this scheme so offensive, and I want it to fail so badly that I am going to actually make sure I don't get work with any company they put me into because I don't want them to get credit, and because they only put you onto minimum wage jobs anyway which isn't enough to live independently on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    It has been two months to the day since I started my new job. Which I got without any help from turas nua. I was on a panel awaiting placement when I was forced to go to this shower.
    They tried the usual spiel when I was placed asking where I was working etc... I refused to tell them.
    So today, yet another call. This this is my 7th call since I started work.
    It's a total and utter scam by them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Bradley Pitt


    Samsgirl wrote: »
    It has been two months to the day since I started my new job. Which I got without any help from turas nua. I was on a panel awaiting placement when I was forced to go to this shower.
    They tried the usual spiel when I was placed asking where I was working etc... I refused to tell them.
    So today, yet another call. This this is my 7th call since I started work.
    It's a total and utter scam by them.
    I wonder will they keep contacting you for the whole year. They probably will say they did and collect their commission from the Department.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    I wish I'd seen these posts a few months ago. I have been working part time with my company for a number of year while also being entitled to a small bit of jobseekers. I increased my hours recently and came off jobseekers and about a week before that got a letter from T. Nua saying I had to attend for interview or else. I should have told them to sod off. After a token interview I've been badgered with phone calls , texts and they've also contacted my employer. I asked her why on the phone, while I was at work and busy, and she muttered something about needing a VAT No. The whole thing is a scam. I'm contacting my local Benefit Office to see where I can complain for what it's worth. If anyone gets a letter, ignore it. They have NO power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Does anyone know what contact do they do with your new employer and what questions would they be asking them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    She told me she just needed a VAT number!!
    I was busy at work when she called me and didnt pursue it. If I'd known at the time what the crack was I wouldnt have been as blase about it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    She told me she just needed a VAT number!!
    I was busy at work when she called me and didnt pursue it. If I'd known at the time what the crack was I wouldnt have been as blase about it

    Ya it’s just I was told by my advisor that I’m going to be getting a phone call every 4 weeks. I’m just like why do I have to continue to engage with them when I won’t be getting dole money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    Yes , I had the same ****e. I ended up ringing the Dept of Social Protect.... to complain. She said she would contact them. No harm having a moan, taxpayers are paying for this.
    Did they (Tuaras Nua) get you that job?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Yes , I had the same ****e. I ended up ringing the Dept of Social Protect.... to complain. She said she would contact them. No harm having a moan, taxpayers are paying for this.
    Did they (Tuaras Nua) get you that job?

    No they didn’t get me the job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    Likewise, it's a complete scam. There was even an article in the Independent recently about these Job Path companies. I didnt realise at the time that TN were one of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Likewise, it's a complete scam. There was even an article in the Independent recently about these Job Path companies. I didnt realise at the time that TN were one of them.

    Ya but do you know how long they will continue to contact you after finding a job?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    I ignored the third of those calls and then complained to Welfare, and don't expect to hear any more back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Plugguy


    fin12 wrote: »
    Ya but do you know how long they will continue to contact you after finding a job?
    They will probably contact you until your 12 month period with them is up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,481 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Done a few jokes of courses and with there expert advice on CVs and Cover letters I'm getting no luck and there meetings are bs. I can look up job sites at home

    I'm on an 8hr plus contract with hours changing week to week but still part time. Some week's I'm over 20-30 hours

    I'm just obliging with them til my time is up and hoping I pick up a full time job myself. The texts u get are comical, almost calling u a criminal if u miss a meeting/course


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    What gets under my skin is the fact u have to keep interacting with them when your not even getting dole money. F*ckin joke and if I don’t take the phone calls will they harass my employer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    If they don't stop hassling you tell them you're going to contact various newspapers to tell them what's happening. Unless they're completely clueless they'll be aware that these Job Path companies are already getting bad press and they surely wont want any more.
    For me, contacting the Welfare dept seems to have worked, havent heard anything since.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Irish.26


    I'm working part time and still claiming some money from jobseekers allowance. I've been contacted my Job Path numerous times to attend an information session. I haven't attended any yet as I'm working on the day's I'm being called in and I've phoned explaining that. Reading these comments, I'm unsure about attending now as I don't want to be signed up for a year with them and having to accept jobs I don't want as I've already got a part time one myself. I've already got 3 strikes against me for not attending the information session and my jobseekers allowance was suspended for a few weeks. I phoned the social welfare department and they said I have to attend Job Path, I don't know what to do..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    Irish.26 wrote: »
    I'm working part time and still claiming some money from jobseekers allowance. I've been contacted my Job Path numerous times to attend an information session. I haven't attended any yet as I'm working on the day's I'm being called in and I've phoned explaining that. Reading these comments, I'm unsure about attending now as I don't want to be signed up for a year with them and having to accept jobs I don't want as I've already got a part time one myself. I've already got 3 strikes against me for not attending the information session and my jobseekers allowance was suspended for a few weeks. I phoned the social welfare department and they said I have to attend Job Path, I don't know what to do..

    You have to continue to engage with them as long as you are receiving a state benefit payment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Irish.26 wrote: »
    I'm working part time and still claiming some money from jobseekers allowance. I've been contacted my Job Path numerous times to attend an information session. I haven't attended any yet as I'm working on the day's I'm being called in and I've phoned explaining that. Reading these comments, I'm unsure about attending now as I don't want to be signed up for a year with them and having to accept jobs I don't want as I've already got a part time one myself. I've already got 3 strikes against me for not attending the information session and my jobseekers allowance was suspended for a few weeks. I phoned the social welfare department and they said I have to attend Job Path, I don't know what to do..

    You can’t get any JSA if your not available for full time work.
    Might you be eligible for FIS instead ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭straighttohell


    Since you're working P/T it's very unlikely they'll be able to offer you anything suitable for the other days but you've been unlucky in that you've been highlighted to attend this and that. If you stay on JSA you will need to make some token appearance - see Splinter's comment. Just maintain enough contact so as not to encourage them......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Irish.26


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You can’t get any JSA if your not available for full time work.
    Might you be eligible for FIS instead ?

    I've been getting paid a small amount of jobseekers allowance upon the day's I'm not working for the past year. My days vary, I could be working 3/4 day's a week sometimes a full week. What is FIS?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Irish.26


    Since you're working P/T it's very unlikely they'll be able to offer you anything suitable for the other days but you've been unlucky in that you've been highlighted to attend this and that. If you stay on JSA you will need to make some token appearance - see Splinter's comment. Just maintain enough contact so as not to encourage them......

    Ok thanks for your advice. I'm thinking strongly of just not attending as I'm clearly happy where I am and I'm getting more work which is leading to me working full weeks sometimes. So I don't see how they will be a able to place me anywhere that will suit me. If I go I'm afraid of being hounded by them for the whole year and having them torment by boss too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Irish.26 wrote: »
    Ok thanks for your advice. I'm thinking strongly of just not attending as I'm clearly happy where I am and I'm getting more work which is leading to me working full weeks sometimes. So I don't see how they will be a able to place me anywhere that will suit me. If I go I'm afraid of being hounded by them for the whole year and having them torment by boss too.

    Usually once you start with them, you have to attend meeting with your personal advisor every two weeks, which are a load of **** nd you just telling them what jobs you ha e applied for, That’s what I had to do anyway. Then outside of these meetings you can be put on courses some which can last all day.

    And the funny thing is if you are travelling to this meetings, they give u a payment for travel expenses but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of the cost of me attending my meetings, I had to make a journey altogether of 16 miles and then pay for parking, that costs a lot more than the €2.60 I was given and then one time I went to my appointment and my PA was leaving the office for the day and wouldn’t do my appointment so I didn’t even get the travel payment that day and had to go in the following week cause they f*cked up.

    And then to top it all off, they then take credit when you get a job even though it had f*ck all to do with it.

    Oh and they also make out that they only target long term unemployed and will only be placed with them if you are a year on the dole. I was sent to them after only 2 weeks of being on the dole because I think we can all understand who do you think is going to get employment fast and the most choice the person who has just come out of employment or the fella who has been on the dole years, you find very few of long term dollies in there because they know they don’t have a hope in hell of getting them a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Irish.26


    fin12 wrote: »
    Usually once you start with them, you have to attend meeting with your personal advisor every two weeks, which are a load of **** nd you just telling them what jobs you ha e applied for, That’s what I had to do anyway. Then outside of these meetings you can be put on courses some which can last all day.

    And the funny thing is if you are travelling to this meetings, they give u a payment for travel expenses but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of the cost of me attending my meetings, I had to make a journey altogether of 16 miles and then pay for parking, that costs a lot more than the €2.60 I was given and then one time I went to my appointment and my PA was leaving the office for the day and wouldn’t do my appointment so I didn’t even get the travel payment that day and had to go in the following week cause they f*cked up.

    And then to top it all off, they then take credit when you get a job even though it had f*ck all to do with it.

    Oh and they also make out that they only target long term unemployed and will only be placed with them if you are a year on the dole. I was sent to them after only 2 weeks of being on the dole because I think we can all understand who do you think is going to get employment fast and the most choice the person who has just come out of employment or the fella who has been on the dole years, you find very few of long term dollies in there because they know they don’t have a hope in hell of getting them a job.

    It looks as though they make you think your number 1 priority when actually they don't care where they place you as long as you end up getting full time employment out of it and then bang you off jobseekers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Irish.26 wrote: »
    I've been getting paid a small amount of jobseekers allowance upon the day's I'm not working for the past year. My days vary, I could be working 3/4 day's a week sometimes a full week. What is FIS?

    Family Income Supplement - now called Working Family Payment.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/family_income_supplement.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Irish.26 wrote: »
    It looks as though they make you think your number 1 priority when actually they don't care where they place you as long as you end up getting full time employment out of it and then bang you off jobseekers.

    The objective of being on Jobseekers is to get a full time job as quick as possible so you can get off Jobseekers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I've been with turas nua since late 2017 and to be fair there been alright, I was working part time, a college course part time and in receipt of jobseekers. Pretty much have to turn up once a month and say all is going to plan and that's it.

    Unfortunately I've been left go from my part time job of 10 years. Any ideas what hassle this will create with them? Will they suddenly expect me to do more with them? Hoping to apply for a level 6 course starting next September as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Murdoc90


    I've been with turas nua since late 2017 and to be fair there been alright, I was working part time, a college course part time and in receipt of jobseekers. Pretty much have to turn up once a month and say all is going to plan and that's it.

    Unfortunately I've been left go from my part time job of 10 years. Any ideas what hassle this will create with them? Will they suddenly expect me to do more with them? Hoping to apply for a level 6 course starting next September as well

    It will more than likely be the same as you're doing now, once a month appointments tick this box, sign that blah blah.

    They will try to force you into a job before your course starts. When I informed them I wanted to go back and study I was told a degree was just a piece of paper and would I not stick to the bar work :pac: They then lied to me to tell me that it was DSP decision whether they let me do the course or not the DSP informed me it was Seetec's/Turas Nua's decision and that "they are all over the place in there".


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Murdoc90 wrote: »
    It will more than likely be the same as you're doing now, once a month appointments tick this box, sign that blah blah.

    They will try to force you into a job before your course starts. When I informed them I wanted to go back and study I was told a degree was just a piece of paper and would I not stick to the bar work :pac: They then lied to me to tell me that it was DSP decision whether they let me do the course or not the DSP informed me it was Seetec's/Turas Nua's decision and that "they are all over the place in there".

    Did you get to go back and study?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Murdoc90


    Did you get to go back and study?

    Yes ended up just doing a 9 month course now working full time in the field that I studied


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Murdoc90 wrote: »
    Yes ended up just doing a 9 month course now working full time in the field that I studied

    Congrats! How did you convince them to let you do the course?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Murdoc90


    Congrats! How did you convince them to let you do the course?

    Thanks, I just went to DSP and told them that I was being told by seetec that DSP wouldn't allow me to do a course, the woman in DSP looked at me in bewilderment and said it would not be a problem to do the course. So when I went back to Seetec they signed me off straight away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Irish.26 wrote: »
    I've been getting paid a small amount of jobseekers allowance upon the day's I'm not working for the past year. My days vary, I could be working 3/4 day's a week sometimes a full week. What is FIS?

    Fish is family income supplement. If you work minimum 36 (I think) hours perror fortnight and areally below a certain income threshold, you acne apply. Much more secure source of income and only need to apply annually


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Xcom2


    I was first signed up to Turas Nua in December, I worked part time, three full days a week and for roughly 12 six day weeks a year.

    I was filling in the x and o forms every week.

    The first thing I asked them about was the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme. I was told there would be no problem, sign up, its all about you getting more work. I signed up and awaited a reply. At the same meeting I was asked for my CV which I provided and was told next time we will work on the CV and go through some questions.

    Two weeks later I get bombarded with ninety or so questions in the space of ten minutes, I dont know what I answered but apparently I have a bad back and am a people person?

    I dont and I'm not!

    Another two weeks pass and I'm called in to discuss my CV. I was quite proud of the CV I had, it completely summed up my near thirty year work history. By the end of the meeting I had about thirty percent of the original left. I also have quite a bit that are blatant lies( in my original I just mentioned the school I went to and that I passed the leaving cert, in the new one I'm apparently a fricking genius, I passed a subject I didn't take and I'm an expert in a subject I failed.

    At the end of that meeting I was handed five copies of my new CV to hand out to local companies with a sheet to list the companies and names of the people I gave them to.

    The next week my job changed a bit, instead of being three full days a week it would be five shorter days.

    I signed off in early February and had contact twice with Turas Nua, once in reply to a text for missing a meeting so I called them and explained the situation, all was OK. About a week later I get a call from my advisor and I have to explain it again, he wished me well and said bye.

    Forward to last week and I get a text saying I missed an appointment call this number, I ignored it.

    This week I get a letter saying my next appointment is scheduled for bla bla.

    How do I get rid of them?

    BTW the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme finally got back to me after two months and basically said I was not unemployed enough to qualify?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    The only reason Fine Gael are desperate to keep turas nua and seetech is that everyone referred to them is taken off the live register. So it looks like unemployment figures are lower then they actually are. This company has only a 15% success rate with people and they also hound you if you get a job of your own accord. So this figure is debatable. Next election comes around this is going to seriously hurt FG as everybody in the country knows someone that has been sold to these companies like second class citizens under, and duress, might I add. As if you do not attend welfare is cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The objective of being on Jobseekers is to get a full time job as quick as possible so you can get off Jobseekers.
    Yes that is the main objective of a jobseekers. How many are getting 30-40 hr full time contracts? Virtually none. Private companies and public welfare is not compatible as we have seen in the UK. A private companies main objective is to make as much money as possible for its investors.
    Also the "personal advisers" only have to have the leaving cert as a qualification. Surely a social studies degree should be standard to work as an adviser there?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    Xcom2 wrote: »
    I was first signed up to Turas Nua in December, I worked part time, three full days a week and for roughly 12 six day weeks a year.

    I was filling in the x and o forms every week.

    The first thing I asked them about was the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme. I was told there would be no problem, sign up, its all about you getting more work. I signed up and awaited a reply. At the same meeting I was asked for my CV which I provided and was told next time we will work on the CV and go through some questions.

    Two weeks later I get bombarded with ninety or so questions in the space of ten minutes, I dont know what I answered but apparently I have a bad back and am a people person?

    I dont and I'm not!

    Another two weeks pass and I'm called in to discuss my CV. I was quite proud of the CV I had, it completely summed up my near thirty year work history. By the end of the meeting I had about thirty percent of the original left. I also have quite a bit that are blatant lies( in my original I just mentioned the school I went to and that I passed the leaving cert, in the new one I'm apparently a fricking genius, I passed a subject I didn't take and I'm an expert in a subject I failed.

    At the end of that meeting I was handed five copies of my new CV to hand out to local companies with a sheet to list the companies and names of the people I gave them to.

    The next week my job changed a bit, instead of being three full days a week it would be five shorter days.

    I signed off in early February and had contact twice with Turas Nua, once in reply to a text for missing a meeting so I called them and explained the situation, all was OK. About a week later I get a call from my advisor and I have to explain it again, he wished me well and said bye.

    Forward to last week and I get a text saying I missed an appointment call this number, I ignored it.

    This week I get a letter saying my next appointment is scheduled for bla bla.

    How do I get rid of them?

    BTW the Jobsplus Incentive Scheme finally got back to me after two months and basically said I was not unemployed enough to qualify?
    The best thing to do would be to send them a letter or email stating, you no longer wish to have contact with them and if they continue to try make contact you will consider it harassment and take legal action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Kk333 wrote: »
    The only reason Fine Gael are desperate to keep turas nua and seetech is that everyone referred to them is taken off the live register. So it looks like unemployment figures are lower then they actually are. This company has only a 15% success rate with people and they also hound you if you get a job of your own accord. So this figure is debatable. Next election comes around this is going to seriously hurt FG as everybody in the country knows someone that has been sold to these companies like second class citizens under, and duress, might I add. As if you do not attend welfare is cut.

    People referred to TN and Seetec are not taken off the live register .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    splinter65 wrote: »
    People referred to TN and Seetec are not taken off the live register .
    Yes you are. You are no longer signing on every month and are technically no longer unemployed when you are with these companies or anything to do with jobspath. In actual fact when you take into account everyone on jobseekers allowence and jobseekers benefit, which are separate, the unemployment figure is around 8.7% not a glossy 6.1%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    Here s proof from the CSO website. "Annex - Activation Programmes

    Data up to the end of February 2018 on the number of people availing of a range of programmes targeted primarily at the long-term unemployed (over 12 months) and other welfare recipients is provided in the Annex – Number of persons availing of Activation Programmes table.

    There were 59,747 people availing of these programmes in February 2018, which is a decrease of 8,202 persons (-12.1%) from the previous year, when there were 67,949 people in activation programmes.

    Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly Live Register".http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregistermarch2018/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Kk333 wrote: »
    Yes you are. You are no longer signing on every month and are technically no longer unemployed when you are with these companies or anything to do with jobspath.

    No your not Kk. That’s your own interpretation of it. You only sign off the live register if you find a job. Everyone in Seetec and TN is on the live register.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Kk333


    splinter65 wrote: »
    No your not Kk. That’s your own interpretation of it. You only sign off the live register if you find a job. Everyone in Seetec and TN is on the live register.

    It clearly stats on the CSO website you are not on the live register if you are on a activation programe ie jobspath. There is no room for interpretation.

    "Data up to the end of February 2018 on the number of people availing of a range of programmes targeted primarily at the long-term unemployed (over 12 months) and other welfare recipients is provided in the Annex – Number of persons availing of Activation Programmes table.

    There were 59,747 people availing of these programmes in February 2018, which is a decrease of 8,202 persons (-12.1%) from the previous year, when there were 67,949 people in activation programmes.

    Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly
    live Register".http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpubl...stermarch2018/

    This is a direct quote taken from the CSO website. Near the bottom of the page on my link.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Kk333 wrote: »
    It clearly stats on the CSO website you are not on the live register if you are on a activation programe ie jobspath. There is no room for interpretation.

    That refers to schemes where the participant changes payment, eg CE schemes, or full time training. On Jobpath, participants are still seeking work and on a jobseekers payment. They remain on the live register.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    MouseTail wrote: »
    That refers to schemes where the participant changes payment, eg CE schemes, or full time training. On Jobpath, participants are still seeking work and on a jobseekers payment. They remain on the live register.

    Your right of course, but this poster can’t be persuaded so I’d just leave it.
    Just one more jobseeker outraged at being forced to seek a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Your right of course, but this poster can’t be persuaded so I’d just leave it.
    Just one more jobseeker outraged at being forced to seek a job.

    I think you will find the majority of people who give out about this organization it’s about the fact that they take credit for you securing a job when they have nothing to do with it and then continue to harass long after you are signed off the dole and getting no dole money.

    I secured work myself and this organization had no hand or part in securing employment for me but I suppose when people can get in a dig at unemployed people that’s what they will do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    fin12 wrote: »
    I think you will find the majority of people who give out about this organization it’s about the fact that they take credit for you securing a job when they have nothing to do with it and then continue to harass long after you are signed off the dole and getting no dole money.

    I secured work myself and this organization had no hand or part in securing employment for me but I suppose when people can get in a dig at unemployed people that’s what they will do.

    At the risk of repeating myself, the amount of long term unemployed people posting on this forum alone, never mind the ones I meet every day, who miraculously found a job themselves shortly after being referred to TN/Seetec is a astonishing.


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