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Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,950 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Im not involved with turas Nua? Not sure where you got that from? My old employment advisor was part of the jobs club. She was really nice and I could talk to her about my options without feeling like I had to watch everything I said (even though I wasnt doing anything wrong).

    Im worried because I signed the PPP. Im seeing loads of post saying not to sign it and its really bad but no ones said WHY its bad. What happens when you sign it? what rights does it give them?

    apologies, i didnt mean it in that sense. ive met many that have experienced turas nua, and have realised, theyre not there to help the unemployed, ive been told some dreadful stories about them.

    i wouldnt worry too much about signing the ppp, its done now, but id be slow with giving information from here on in, lie if need be.

    every person ive spoken to that has experienced turas nua said it wasted their time, some saying it was a dreadful experience, but one said he did get some training done via them, so maybe that could be a good approach, i.e. try aim conversations towards training that you think would benefit you, no harm in doing some research in available courses, courses that suit you, prior to meetings


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭NinetyTwoTeam



    Im quite capable of searching for jobs myself without their 'help' - as I said previously, she doesnt even know where to look for teaching jobs, theyre posted on very specific websites yet she searched on jobs ireland. If she doesnt know something as basic as that, how on earth is she assigned to help graduates find employment? And then, to top it all off, she will get the credit and a nice little bonus when I find work myself which I am trying to do and had been doing anyway.

    If you find a job off your own back without their help they are in no way entitled to take any credit or claim a bonus for it. There have been stories of them ringing up people who got jobs themselves trying to get the employers info to claim the credit.

    Once you get work and sign off they can't do anything to penalize you for non-enagement or whatever so just ignore any calls you get from your EA after that and tbh if you get an interview somewhere don't disclose where or who with.

    Employers don't want some EA calling them every month for a year to, as they put it 'see how you're getting on.' Nor do they want employees who would need that.

    You'll get people on here who actually are naive enough to think this crowd are helping the unemployed. Most of them aren't even qualified in HR/recruiting etc which is why yours doesn't know where to search for teaching jobs. It's totally unfit for people who are educated and capable of work.

    Funny how we didn't need these schemes before the recession. Did we all forget how to type CVs since then or something? Why do we all need this handholding all of a sudden?

    We don't. It's just another way of shifting the blame for the destruction of the economy onto the poor and most vulnerable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Kate08


    I got a letter about attending jobpath this morning. I've "completed" it already, anyone know if I need to do it a second time? im currently working parttime and doing a springboard course. Really don't want to attend again, it made me so anxious last time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    Most of them aren't even qualified in HR/recruiting etc which is why yours doesn't know where to search for teaching jobs. It's totally unfit for people who are educated and capable of work.

    Funny how we didn't need these schemes before the recession. Did we all forget how to type CVs since then or something? Why do we all need this handholding all of a sudden?


    The Personal Advisors (pah!) are basically sales agents. Their performance is target-based and tracked on KPI's, like any other sales role.

    And in regards to assisting with CV's. I told my PA that I would greatly appreciate her help updating my CV while at our meeting as I didn't have Microsoft Word at home. She agreed, but it took about 2 months to actually become a reality (allotted time was really for me to sit at their computer, instead of my own, and look for work. And as they covered my travel expenses, it cost them €10 for me to do this). Anyway, I emailed her before one of our meetings and asked if we could use the time to get my CV sorted. She replied "no problem". When I arrived in to the office the next day, her attitude was bizarrely defensive. She said that she felt I had taken issue with her, and she told me that she knows what she's doing. I reiterated that I was getting anxious about my CV and updating it. At this point she said she had to speak to her manager, and when she returned to me she said I think we will have to sit down with my manager, I'm not happy with your attitude...!!!! To placate her and to GET MY F&£KING CV DONE, I said that I was under pressure and stressed and could we put this behind us. My lord.

    I'm delighted to say that shortly after finishing with Turas Nua, I found myself a lovely wee job :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    What is going on with Turas Nua...
    I have been full time employment since January this year and now I received letter to attend a meeting with Turas Nua and before the letter I received four text messages from them. I do not receive any payments from social welfare so why do they keep hassling me! I rang them twice and they keep apologizing but still keep texting and sending letters.
    They must be desperate because hassling people who are on full time employment!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭loki7777


    Can you "withdraw" from PPP after you sign it? Just did that yesterday without reading boards?
    And can you change the job expectation that you gave them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    loki7777 wrote: »
    Can you "withdraw" from PPP after you sign it? Just did that yesterday without reading boards?
    And can you change the job expectation that you gave them?


    I wouldn't imagine you could withdraw from the PPP. Like any other contract. Unless you could prove that it was misrepresented to you, which is nigh on impossible. Don't think it would be worth giving another thought. Just get yourself a job that you're happy with and cut all communication with TN.
    I'd imagine that you can update or change any details in regards to what kind of work you are interested in....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭loki7777


    Funny thing is that i'm working but still getting JSA as i'm working from 2 too even 6 days a week(full 8h).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    loki7777 wrote: »
    Funny thing is that i'm working but still getting JSA as i'm working from 2 too even 6 days a week(full 8h).

    should you be receiving JS? I'd say Splinter65 would give the best answer to this....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,950 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    loki7777 wrote:
    Funny thing is that i'm working but still getting JSA as i'm working from 2 too even 6 days a week(full 8h).

    should you be receiving JS? I'd say Splinter65 would give the best answer to this....


    X & o's?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭loki7777


    Yes, X and O's.

    The thing is that no one is able to read PPP and Data protection statement before signing(i signed(not signed, put my initials-is this valid at all?) using pc mouse).
    I assume there is no cooling off period with this type of contract?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,182 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    how i kept my patience this morning

    Brought down for an appointment, dont some ****e Q&A and asked the same questions and told im only on a min hour contract and dont knw my hours for each week til the roster is out. Then they had the cheek to tell me that the company were hiring for Full and part time staff (which is not true as our department have the same rate/contact) and another one of there 'customers' was getting full time hours

    first of all trying to turn me agaisnt the company ive worked it for years and then telling information on another turas nua member who i knw quite well.

    Scum :mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Im applying for jobs with the CV and Cover letters i made from there courses i was made do and im not getting any interviews or anything. False hope is all they give me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    loki7777 wrote: »
    Yes, X and O's.

    The thing is that no one is able to read PPP and Data protection statement before signing(i signed(not signed, put my initials-is this valid at all?) using pc mouse).
    I assume there is no cooling off period with this type of contract?

    I would say that how you signed is irrelevant. Also, cooling-off periods are only for contracts used in long-distance selling (on-line / telesales etc.).

    I remember a post here where the person asked the advisor is they could take the contract away and read it before signing, and they were unsurprisingly told no. The person asked the DSP if they should be able to review before signing, and they agreed that they should be allowed to. TN did not back down, but I'm afraid I can't remember the ultimate outcome.
    I've also read here that some people who declined signing the contract, but said that they would engage and cooperate with TN in every other way, were eventually dropped from the TN scheme. If the PPP isn't signed that means TN cannot profit from your engagement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭loki7777


    Sadly i already signed(even if you will just put your initials it is counted as signature). Going back to them next monday and will see how it will be. Waste of time if they are only trying to get you a job at call center.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    loki7777 wrote: »
    Sadly i already signed(even if you will just put your initials it is counted as signature). Going back to them next monday and will see how it will be. Waste of time if they are only trying to get you a job at call center.

    I finished my year with them mid-May. I understand your frustration....
    How much longer do you have to go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭loki7777


    Just started;)
    I made a mistake believing that they are going to help me with finding full time job(but not any job) and didn't read boards before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    loki7777 wrote: »
    Just started;)
    I made a mistake believing that they are going to help me with finding full time job(but not any job) and didn't read boards before.

    I was the same when I started - not fully clued in about them.
    My first advisor was grand, until the incident I mentioned there a few posts ago. Then my first advisor left in Nov, and I had two different ones after that. The staff turn-over in the office I went to was a lot. Not the best sign..!

    For the last 4 meetings, I would arrive and sit down beside my PA at her desk as she typed up my letter stating details of my next meeting. She would print out the letter, hand it to me, reimburse my travelling expenses (€10) and that was our meeting!!!!!!!!!

    My advice to you would be go along with the meetings, and what ever they advise. Get what you can out of it, ie. update/improve your CV, listen out for ways or places to find work that you may not have been aware of.
    (Do not let them persuade you too lie on your CV, which happened to two of my friends with TN). Be confident about yourself at the meetings, and (seem) interested in their process.

    A lot of people have an agenda against TN and the likes, don't listen to this too much. It will get you stressed out and you will bear the burden.

    Keep your head down, smile and nod, and carry on looking for work your own way in your own time.

    **NB** If you cannot attend a meeting, or are going to be late, always always let them know in advance. I would ring the office, and follow it up with an email directly to your PA to ensure that there is no confusion.

    Good luck :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    loki7777 wrote: »
    Just started;)
    I made a mistake believing that they are going to help me with finding full time job(but not any job) and didn't read boards before.

    They'll have some confidence course or preparing to succeed or something to help you with those bad feelings :p

    No course that has anything to do with any employable skills or anything, but spending an afternoon colouring in a workbook is apparently a much better use of your time and our money. You even get a certificate at the end!

    I guess that's how they got that 18% hit rate.

    Beyond me how people defend them, I'm done with them thank Christ.

    Also, depending on your advisor you can get away with this for a good bit, just cancel your appointments at short notice, if you're on xs and os just say you got called into work. You just get a letter out for another one in two weeks. I'd say I cancelled two out of three once I copped what a waste of time it was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    They'll have some confidence course or preparing to succeed or something to help you with those bad feelings :p

    No course that has anything to do with any employable skills or anything, but spending an afternoon colouring in a workbook is apparently a much better use of your time and our money. You even get a certificate at the end!

    I guess that's how they got that 18% hit rate.

    Beyond me how people defend them, I'm done with them thank Christ.

    Also, depending on your advisor you can get away with this for a good bit, just cancel your appointments at short notice, if you're on xs and os just say you got called into work. You just get a letter out for another one in two weeks. I'd say I cancelled two out of three once I copped what a waste of time it was.

    Careful on cancelling appointments like this - each PA uses their own discretion on whether it should be referred to DSP (who then decide if your money should be docked as a penalty). You could have a rotten PA who could really mess you around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭loki7777


    I will let them know in advance is something pops out - I keep all my emails to PA as well - she sounds nice and she recognized me from my current place of work.
    I thought that the might send me to course that i would like to go (like digger operator) but i already noticed that i am only a client not -more like - petitioner.

    And i have my rota for next week often on saturday/sunday but will always try to sort my appointments earlier.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Careful on cancelling appointments like this - each PA uses their own discretion on whether it should be referred to DSP (who then decide if your money should be docked as a penalty). You could have a rotten PA who could really mess you around.

    Yeah mine to be fair to her was pretty sound. You'll know quick enough from their tone after the first time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,950 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    loki7777 wrote: »
    I will let them know in advance is something pops out - I keep all my emails to PA as well - she sounds nice and she recognized me from my current place of work.
    I thought that the might send me to course that i would like to go (like digger operator) but i already noticed that i am only a client not -more like - petitioner.

    And i have my rota for next week often on saturday/sunday but will always try to sort my appointments earlier.

    i know someone who got to do the safepass via turas nua, could be an option for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭dhaughton99


    I was the same when I started - not fully clued in about them.
    My first advisor was grand, until the incident I mentioned there a few posts ago. Then my first advisor left in Nov, and I had two different ones after that. The staff turn-over in the office I went to was a lot. Not the best sign..!

    For the last 4 meetings, I would arrive and sit down beside my PA at her desk as she typed up my letter stating details of my next meeting. She would print out the letter, hand it to me, reimburse my travelling expenses (€10) and that was our meeting!!!!!!!!!

    My advice to you would be go along with the meetings, and what ever they advise. Get what you can out of it, ie. update/improve your CV, listen out for ways or places to find work that you may not have been aware of.
    (Do not let them persuade you too lie on your CV, which happened to two of my friends with TN). Be confident about yourself at the meetings, and (seem) interested in their process.

    A lot of people have an agenda against TN and the likes, don't listen to this too much. It will get you stressed out and you will bear the burden.

    Keep your head down, smile and nod, and carry on looking for work your own way in your own time.

    **NB** If you cannot attend a meeting, or are going to be late, always always let them know in advance. I would ring the office, and follow it up with an email directly to your PA to ensure that there is no confusion.

    Good luck :)

    Same here. High turnover. She types out letter for next job search. Indeed. Bye. No hassle. Nothing out of it. You spend most of your time waiting for the computer to log you in.
    All the “Hot Jobs” boards are usually for shop assistants and security jobs, and usually for the same companies. Mr Price and Greyhound bins.

    Thing is, it seems to be the Govt go to for anyone finding themselves unemployed. Unemployed for 3 weeks and you’ll find an invitation in the post.

    Intereo is hopeless. Laziest people in the world. €3 million jobsIreland website that doesn’t work. I’ve only ever had Intereo send me 2 job listing. One for temp Xmas work in AnPost and an ‘audition’ for temp work in the Vikings tv show. I’m a systems admin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Same here. High turnover. She types out letter for next job search. Indeed. Bye. No hassle. Nothing out of it. You spend most of your time waiting for the computer to log you in.
    All the “Hot Jobs” boards are usually for shop assistants and security jobs, and usually for the same companies. Mr Price and Greyhound bins.

    Thing is, it seems to be the Govt go to for anyone finding themselves unemployed. Unemployed for 3 weeks and you’ll find an invitation in the post.

    Intereo is hopeless. Laziest people in the world. €3 million jobsIreland website that doesn’t work. I’ve only ever had Intereo send me 2 job listing. One for temp Xmas work in AnPost and an ‘audition’ for temp work in the Vikings tv show. I’m a systems admin.

    It always cheers me up when I read people who don’t have a job describing people who do have jobs as lazy. Extra points if you told them that your taxes pay their wages?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,950 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    splinter65 wrote: »
    It always cheers me up when I read people who don’t have a job describing people who do have jobs as lazy. Extra points if you told them that your taxes pay their wages?

    once again, you will find the root causes of unemployment are complex, particularly long term unemployment. some of the most common causes would be complex learning disabilities such as dyslexia, developmental disorders such as autism etc etc etc, many who suffer with such issues would commonly be labeled as lazy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    splinter65 wrote: »
    It always cheers me up when I read people who don’t have a job describing people who do have jobs as lazy. Extra points if you told them that your taxes pay their wages?

    I have a job and if I was as **** at it as that crowd then Mr Lazy who would be mayor of Lazytown only he was too lazy to run would be in his rights to call me lazy.

    And it's news to me that unemployed equals lazy.

    They are ****, they are not good, they have not been getting good feedback or good results, I'd be surprised if their contract is renewed. Your devotion is touching though, I'm sure they appreciate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭dhaughton99


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i know someone who got to do the safepass via turas nua, could be an option for you

    I was recently talking to a tutor I had when doing a Fetec level 6 computers and networking and she told me that she has 2 students out of a class of 20 for starting in September on back to edu grants. Can’t get anyone onto the course because they can’t be transferred over from Seetec and social won’t allow it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    splinter65 wrote: »
    It always cheers me up when I read people who don’t have a job describing people who do have jobs as lazy. Extra points if you told them that your taxes pay their wages?

    The posters employment status has no reflection on the veracity of her statement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    Anyone had to do this for a second year after being employed for a while.
    Surely they won't expect you to do the same courses that you did the first time like confidence, interview skills etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Anyone had to do this for a second year after being employed for a while.
    Surely they won't expect you to do the same courses that you did the first time like confidence, interview skills etc.

    It could happen. As long as you're in receipt of JS then you could be 'randomly' picked to attend TN, or a Tús scheme etc....


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