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Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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  • #3602
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    awec wrote: »

    The application of a sheath to the erect penis during an instance of sexual intercourse where there are multiple active penises and a lone vagina is completely irrelevant.

    I love it when you talk dirty, awec.


  • #3603
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you tell me where in PJ's single text message of 10 words you were able to completely and totally understand his attitude to women to such an extent that you are happy that he is losing his livelihood?

    1. He joined-in in the conversation.
    2. He is not losing his livelihood.

    Trevor Brennan would be an example of someone losing their livelihood - he got a life ban from rugby.


  • #3604
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Buer wrote: »
    awec wrote: »

    The application of a sheath to the erect penis during an instance of sexual intercourse where there are multiple active penises and a lone vagina is completely irrelevant.

    I love it when you talk dirty, awec.

    Hahahaha genuine lol


  • #3605
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    jm08 wrote: »
    1. He joined-in in the conversation.
    2. He is not losing his livelihood.

    Trevor Brennan would be an example of someone losing their livelihood - he got a life ban from rugby.

    If I joined in a conversation about racism does that make me a racist?

    Lets try and be serious and logical here. PJ said this and this only
    "There was a lot of spit roast last night."

    And you are able, from this, to understand his attitude to women in general? All women, this 10 word text message reveals absolutely all there is to know about his character?


  • #3606
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Interesting that the contracts were 'revoked'. Clearly the IRFU believe that there was a breach there. One would assume that they had strong legal advice that this is the case.


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  • #3607
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If I joined in a conversation about racism does that make me a racist?
    About racism or being in favour of racism?


  • #3608
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    About racism or being in favour of racism?

    "There was a lot of racism last night"
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you tell me where in PJ's single text message of 10 words you were able to completely and totally understand his attitude to women to such an extent that you are happy that he is losing his livelihood?


  • #3609
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Statement from PJ


  • #3610
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Please explain what you earnestly believe is the culture that needs to be stamped out.

    There is a culture that is being stamped out currently:

    https://twitter.com/eaamalyon/status/923121311248977921

    There was a post on reddit recently about someone trying to start a rugby team in a university over in the States and they were told by the university that they wouldn't get support because they did not want any 'rugby culture' on campus.

    This has never really been a problem in Ireland. But that's how rugby is perceived even in areas where it is hardly played.

    The other culture is a general awful attitude towards women amongst some men, which some people seem to think is acceptable because it is common amongst people (I assume) they know. Whereas in reality there should be divergence in the standards we set for our own behaviour and how widespread we believe that behaviour is.


  • #3611
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Statement from Stuart Olding


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  • #3612
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joseywhales wrote: »
    If we are going to have a debate on the morality of what they did based on what we know, it's going to be very subjective. I would say at the very least they showed a lack of respect and care for someone that was apparently a guest in PJ's house. If a distraught girl leaves your house you should probably ask her what's up and talk to her, maybe follow up with a call etc., Particularly if you see some blood and she was in your bedroom. If I felt innocent in that situation, I would be out to visit the girl for a chat and to apologise before there was any escalation and even if their was I would feel like it's the right thing to do. I don't think this happened with the other infamous threesome.

    I'm not concerned about anyone's sexual proclivities.

    Jackson didn't see anyone leave upset and Harrison brought her home. What else do you expect to be done?


  • #3613
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Deleted User wrote: »
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    About racism or being in favour of racism?

    "There was a lot of racism last night"
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you tell me where in PJ's single text message of 10 words you were able to completely and totally understand his attitude to women to such an extent that you are happy that he is losing his livelihood?


    You see this would be more relevant if last night you had a black person in your room with other friends and they left some blood on your bed and you weren't bothered to call them or visit or drop them home yourself.


  • #3614
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Disgraceful decision by the IRFU/Ulster. The players have suffered a total breach of their right to privacy. Now compounded with losing their job.

    If Bank of Ireland and Vodafone have been as involved in this as its been made out I swear I'm closing my bank accounts with them, selling the few shares I have and changing phone providers. Complete and utter hypocrisy from them


  • #3615
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Deleted User wrote: »
    joseywhales wrote: »
    If we are going to have a debate on the morality of what they did based on what we know, it's going to be very subjective. I would say at the very least they showed a lack of respect and care for someone that was apparently a guest in PJ's house. If a distraught girl leaves your house you should probably ask her what's up and talk to her, maybe follow up with a call etc., Particularly if you see some blood and she was in your bedroom. If I felt innocent in that situation, I would be out to visit the girl for a chat and to apologise before there was any escalation and even if their was I would feel like it's the right thing to do. I don't think this happened with the other infamous threesome.

    I'm not concerned about anyone's sexual proclivities.

    Jackson didn't see anyone leave upset and Harrison brought her home. What else do you expect to be done?
    Was there not blood from her laceration? I would expect him to drop her home to ask her if she was ok in that case.


  • #3616
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    "There was a lot of racism last night"
    Yeah, we are all top racists.


  • #3617
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If I joined in a conversation about racism does that make me a racist?

    Lets try and be serious and logical here. PJ said this and this only

    And you are able, from this, to understand his attitude to women in general? All women, this 10 word text message reveals absolutely all there is to know about his character?

    Yes, he was in a group conversation that referred to women being sluts. He could always have said nothing at all. He also was involved in sexual activity where the woman was none to happy with how she was treated immediately after it (regardless of the verdict of the court).


  • #3618
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    joseywhales wrote: »
    You see this would be more relevant if last night you had a black person in your room with other friends and they left some blood on your bed and you weren't bothered to call them or visit or drop them home yourself.

    Ah, so the context of the text message is important? (I agree with you here if so)


  • #3619
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,725 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Buer wrote: »
    I love it when you talk dirty, awec.

    Is it 'penises' or 'peni'? :D


  • #3620
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Jackson didn't see anyone leave upset and Harrison brought her home. What else do you expect to be done?
    Maybe things have changed, but I always see my guests to the door and often to their cars. I don't think I've ever outsourced that job to another guest.


  • #3621
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,226 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    jm08 wrote: »
    Yes, he was in a group conversation that referred to women being sluts. He could always have said nothing at all. He also was involved in sexual activity where the woman was none to happy with how she was treated immediately after it (regardless of the verdict of the court).

    sounds a lot like regret to me


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  • #3622
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Yeah, we are all top racists.

    And with that, both of us are deserving of losing our jobs.

    That is the logic that jm08 presented, and you appear to be defending.


  • #3623
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    jm08 wrote: »
    Yes, he was in a group conversation that referred to women being sluts. He could always have said nothing at all. He also was involved in sexual activity where the woman was none to happy with how she was treated immediately after it (regardless of the verdict of the court).

    And now we are in a conversation which has done just that.

    Do we both hand in our notice on Monday morning? Also worth considering that the complainant in the case used the term 'slutty' in a private message to her friend. Also a sackable offence?


  • #3624
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jm08 wrote: »
    Its to do with their attitude to women (that they are there to be spit roasted).


    So why was Gilroy not fired?


  • #3625
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Synode wrote: »
    Disgraceful decision by the IRFU/Ulster. The players have suffered a total breach of their right to privacy. Now compounded with losing their job.

    If Bank of Ireland and Vodafone have been as involved in this as its been made out I swear I'm closing my bank accounts with them, selling the few shares I have and changing phone providers. Complete and utter hypocrisy from them
    Do you really need an excuse to leave Vodafone? ;)


  • #3626
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    sounds a lot like regret to me

    Regret of what? That she had been used perhaps?


  • #3627
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And with that, both of us are deserving of losing our jobs.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And now we are in a conversation which has done just that.

    Do we both hand in our notice on Monday morning?
    The context here is clearly hypothetical. There was nothing hypothetical about the conversation the lads had.

    But I really don't understand the continued focus on their conversation. There's a wider attitudinal problem that is only reinforced by the conversations.


  • #3628
    durthacht
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭durthacht


    I despair at this thread.

    Even Jackson and Olding in their public statements this afternoon have accepted that their behaviour was unacceptable, and accepted the IRFU decision to fire them as a result. They are now behaving with some dignity and maturity.

    If they accept their actions were unacceptable and accept the IRFU firing them as a result, then I don't understand why others in this forum are still trying to excuse their behaviour.


  • #3629
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Deleted User wrote: »
    joseywhales wrote: »
    You see this would be more relevant if last night you had a black person in your room with other friends and they left some blood on your bed and you weren't bothered to call them or visit or drop them home yourself.

    Ah, so the context of the text message is important? (I agree with you here if so)

    Yes context is important but your whole argument is predicated on them being fired for their WhatsApp involvement which I think is not true.

    They showed a complete lack of respect for their injured female guest at the very least, the fact that they boasted about it later is only slightly relevant.

    I don't know about you but I liked to be judged for how I treat people not what I say.


  • #3630
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So why was Gilroy not fired?

    Gilroy wasn't out with them which suggests that maybe he has a better lifestyle. Asking them that question suggests that this is a normal night out for the 2 lads and their attitude to women.


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  • #3631
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Maybe things have changed, but I always see my guests to the door and often to their cars. I don't think I've ever outsourced that job to another guest.

    I've been to countless house parties in my early 20s and if the house owner was even still awake when I was leaving I'd be surprised if they acknowledged me on the way out the door.

    This wasn't a dinner party like.

    Also, Jackson thought the blood was menstrual and didn't mention it to her because he didn't want to embarrass the girl.


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