Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 5:56pm

Gatling wrote: »

Sure didn't putin himself show renowned director Oliver Stone a video on his personal phone showing brave russian troops fighting against Isis in Syria .

Except the video putin played to Oliver Stone was from an American Apache Gunships gun camera 4 years previously in Afghanistan and widely available on social media.

Remember this one?

Without being exhaustive, the list of scapegoats put forward by various Kremlin surrogates included a Ukrainian SU-25 or SU-27 fighter jet; an onboard bomb; a Buk missile but of a make and model that the Russians military claimed to no longer use, the implication being that it must have come from, and been operated by, the Ukrainian military.

This google earth and photoshop job was offered as a satellite photo from Channel 1. Obviously this was before they concede that it was a BUK but not theirs. As I said many times, they want us to know that they are lying.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:57pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia provided more photographs than just this one on their facebook.

If It's on Facebook it must be true

Not

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 5:58pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

A civilian employee uploaded this picture and he was investigated for it. Russia provided more photographs than just this one on their facebook.

Pull the other one.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 6:02pm

Didn't putin give a grand speech before about having evidence of Isis being supported by the west ,he had countries and the names of all involved .

But then somehow conveniently forgot about his claims , about the same time as russian forces hit and destroyed a UN Aid Convoy with Airstrikes in Syria

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 6:03pm

Gatling wrote: »

OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirms the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical

Porton Down confirmed Novichok and OPCW confirmed Porton Downs finding

OPCW confirmed the Skiprals were poisoned with a toxic chemical. They identified the chemical structure of a nerve agent, the UK send them.

Why would they not say it was Novitchok if that's what they found? According to the UK, only Russia can make this nerve agent?

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 6:12pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OPCW confirmed the Skiprals were poisoned with a toxic chemical. They identified the chemical structure of a nerve agent, the UK send them.

Why would they not say it was Novitchok if that's what they found? According to the UK, only Russia can make this nerve agent?

See 12.

7.
The team was briefed on the identity of th
e toxic chemical identified by the United
Kingdom and was able to review
analytical results
and data from chemical analysis of
biomedical samples collected by the British
authorities from the a
ffected individuals,
as well as from environmental samples collected on site.
S/1612/2018
page 2
8.
The results of analysis of biomedical samples conducted by OPCW designated
laboratories demonstrate the exposure of th
e three hospitalised individuals to this
toxic chemical.
9.
The results of analysis of
the environmental samples
conducted by OPCW designated
laboratories demonstrate the presence of
this toxic chemical in the samples.
10.
The results of analysis by the OPCW desi
gnated laboratories of environmental and
biomedical samples collected by the OPCW
team confirm the fi
ndings of the United
Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and
severely injured three people.
11.
The TAV team notes that the toxic chem
ical was of high purity. The latter is
concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.
12.
The name and structure of th
e identified toxic chemical
are contained in the full
classified report of the Secretaria
t, available to States Parties.
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By the way, there's a thread about the skripal poisoning on the Politics forum. The posting standard might not be to your liking, however.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 6:15pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OPCW confirmed the Skiprals were poisoned with a toxic chemical.

It's there in black and white they confirmed what the UK confirmed ,

It's really simple .

Any how back to Syria

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 6:26pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's there in black and white they confirmed what the UK confirmed ,

It's really simple .

Any how back to Syria

Porton Down. We don't the origin or the source of the chemical nerve agent. OPCW exact same as I predicted would be the case weeks ago (Russia could not be identified)

Since we are lead to believe nobody has ever seen Novitchok. Should we just accept at face value this the same nerve agent the Soviet Union made? What makes them so sure they got a right match?

OPCW is just accepting what the UK is telling them. OPCW has identified a chemical structure. The refuse to even mention Novichok in their public statement though keeping it classified, another trust us?

Nothing from OPCW proves this was made by Russia anyone who says differently is full of ****.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 6:29pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OPCW is just accepting what the UK is telling them
.

Are you now Claiming OPCW cannot be trusted to impartially investigate claims of chemical /weapons attacks

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 6:30pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nothing from OPCW proves this was made by Russia anyone who says differently is full of ****.

That's not their job. They confirm what it is, not where it came from.

ArchXStanton · 13-04-2018 6:33pm

What we need now is Jupiter himself...Macron to come forward with his evidence

His thoughts are probably too complex from that higher plain of existence he seems to occupy for us mere mortals...

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 6:34pm

Gatling wrote: »

Are you now Claiming OPCW cannot be trusted to impartially investigate claims of chemical /weapons attacks

OPCW has identified a chemical structure was a nerve agent. Uk blamed Russia, you guys forget so easily Boris Johson saying Porton Down telling him this nerve agent was made by the Russians

Discodog · 13-04-2018 6:35pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Wrong the public release is on online. OPCW never not even one time mentioned Novichok. They said it was a toxic chemical that poisoned the Skiprals.

UK government foreign ministry deleted their tweets blaming Russia!

This really is getting to the point of trolling. You repeat the same thing over & over & over again whilst ignoring anything that's posted. I answered this several times but still you go on & on.

10.
The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.

So they agree with the UK that it was Novichok. Now please can you move on.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 6:38pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OPCW has

That's not what I asked .

Are you Claiming the OPCW cannot be trusted to impartially investigate the use of chemical /nerve weapon attacks

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 6:43pm

Discodog wrote: »

This really is getting to the point of trolling. You repeat the same thing over & over & over again whilst ignoring anything that's posted. I answered this several times but still you go on & on.

10.
The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.

So they agree with the UK that it was Novichok. Now please can you move on.

You taking the UK word for it they found Novichok, I don't. Skiprals surviving proves this was not a military grade nerve agent at all, there is no antidote for it. OPCW is agreeing about the chemical structure of the nerve agent UK send to them.

You continue to ignore blatant lies from the UK government, I have higher standards. The UK foreign ministry deleted a public tweet from Twitter blaming Russia, forget that already?

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 6:43pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OPCW has identified a chemical structure was a nerve agent. Uk blamed Russia, you guys forget so easily Boris Johson saying Porton Down telling him this nerve agent was made by the Russians

It's forgotten because nobody in their right mind would use a statement by that lying buffoon to support anything. People believe it was Russia because Russia said that they would do it and have been doing it for years.

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 6:46pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's forgotten because nobody in their right mind would use a statement by that lying buffoon to support anything. People believe it was Russia because Russia said that they would do it and have been doing it for years.

His the foreign secretary of the UK government not some guy from the street.

Discodog · 13-04-2018 6:49pm

Interesting change in tactics by Russia. We had the Ambassador waving copies of Alice in Wonderland at the UN. Then another Minister was talking about destroying missiles & their launch platforms. Next was Putin sounding conciliatory. Now it's Maria Zakharova sounding very charming on Sky News but insisting that Yulia has been abducted & imprisoned against her will. This is fascinating. According to her 20 countries made Novichok

Gatling · 13-04-2018 6:49pm

Anyone else care to answer a simple question regarding the OPCW

faceman · 13-04-2018 6:51pm

Russia has gone from “There is no evidence of a chemical weapon attack in Syria” to “We have strong evidence that there was a chemical attack staged by a foreign power”

And now they’re dissing the OPCW

You couldn’t make this up!

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 6:51pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

His the foreign secretary of the UK government not some guy from the street.

He's still a lying buffoon. You're going on about him as though he was the sole piece of evidence linking this to Russia. He's not and I don't consider his blaming Russia to be evidence of anything. I disregard his words entirely. Everything else about this case, however, stinks of pickles.

Discodog · 13-04-2018 6:52pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You taking the UK word for it they found Novichok, I don't. Skiprals surviving proves this was not a military grade nerve agent at all, there is no antidote for it. OPCW is agreeing about the chemical structure of the nerve agent UK send to them.

You continue to ignore blatant lies from the UK government, I have higher standards. The UK foreign ministry deleted a public tweet from Twitter blaming Russia, forget that already?

So you accuse the UK of writing the OPCW report ? Or you don't believe the OPCW ?

cnocbui · 13-04-2018 6:52pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Porton Down. We don't the origin or the source of the chemical nerve agent. OPCW exact same as I predicted would be the case weeks ago (Russia could not be identified)

Since we are lead to believe nobody has ever seen Novitchok. Should we just accept at face value this the same nerve agent the Soviet Union made? What makes them so sure they got a right match?

OPCW is just accepting what the UK is telling them. OPCW has identified a chemical structure. The refuse to even mention Novichok in their public statement though keeping it classified, another trust us?

Nothing from OPCW proves this was made by Russia anyone who says differently is full of ****.

Sending the samples to four different accredited laboratories is not 'just accepting.'

The OPCW confirmed the chemical was Novichok, by affirming the UK's determination. They said nothing about where the chemical was made, other than it was of very high purity which could only have been made by the facilities of a nation state.

Discodog · 13-04-2018 6:54pm

faceman wrote: »

Russia has gone from “There is no evidence of a chemical weapon attack in Syria” to “We have strong evidence that there was a chemical attack staged by a foreign power”

And now they’re dissing the OPCW

You couldn’t make this up!

If the OPCW inspectors agree with Russia they will be venerated. If they disagree they are dismissed as liars.

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 6:54pm

faceman wrote: »

Russia has gone from “There is no evidence of a chemical weapon attack in Syria” to “We have strong evidence that there was a chemical attack staged by a foreign power”

And now they’re dissing the OPCW

You couldn’t make this up!

From a post I made earlier:

The West: Syria used chemical weapons.

Russia: There was no chemical weapons.

Later...

The West: Syria used chemical weapons.

Russia: OK. We lie last time. It happen but it was ISIS. Really, we not lie now.

Later still...

The West: Syria used chemical weapons.

Russia: OK. We lie last time and the time before that. But this time we tell truth. It was foreign Intelligence Service. Seriously, we not lie now for sure.

Discodog · 13-04-2018 6:57pm

Russia now saying the UK ordered the attack in Syria.

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 6:58pm

Discodog wrote: »

Russia now saying the UK ordered the attack in Syria.

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 7:01pm

Discodog wrote: »

Russia now saying the UK ordered the attack in Syria.

So it didn't happen but the Brits did it? Yep, that's quite Russian.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 7:03pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

So it didn't happen but the Brits did it? Yep, that's quite Russian.

When is Boards getting the blame

Discodog · 13-04-2018 7:04pm

Who the hell is advising Putin ? Does he really think that accusing the UK will be believed ? He accuses the UK & then asks the UK not to get involved in joint action.

He is becoming a laughing stock

Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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