Seriously, does anyone give a ****

realdanbreen · 13-04-2018 12:05PM #1

Just turned on the radio and more reporting of yet another inquiry/tribunal whatever coming from Dublin Castle. This one is about guards/ whistleblowers and who said what and when. I am sick of them and the only one certainty is that all of the participants, guards, politicians, judges, barristers,etc will all have big salaries and will have fat pensions to look forward to regardless of the outcome. Meanwhile the never ending problems of healthcare, housing needs etc rumble on. And you know what (and I have NEVER heard a politician say it) all of these issues would be resolved if all the citizens of this country contributed a FAIR share, that's all just a fair share.

Hande hoche! · 13-04-2018 12:08PM

Solicitors and solicitor's accountants.

One eyed Jack · 13-04-2018 12:09PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Just turned on the radio and more reporting of yet another inquiry/tribunal whatever coming from Dublin Castle. This one is about guards/ whistleblowers and who said what and when. I am sick of them and the only one certainty is that all of the participants, guards, politicians, judges, barristers,etc will all have big salaries and will have fat pensions to look forward to regardless of the outcome. Meanwhile the never ending problems of healthcare, housing needs etc rumble on. And you know what (and I have NEVER heard a politician say it) all of these issues would be resolved if all the citizens of this country contributed a FAIR share, that's all just a fair share.

Really I stopped giving a shìte about all of those things a long time ago.

Zebra3 · 13-04-2018 12:10PM

Can’t understand why we don’t have criminal enquiries if people are suspected of breaking the law instead of gravy train toothless tribunals.

Benildus · 13-04-2018 12:12PM

Only the perennially outraged on Twitter seem to care: the GemmaOd's, the leftwing Anti-everything Alliance nutters

kneemos · 13-04-2018 12:18PM

We do contribute to health care. The best funded health service in Europe.

vicwatson · 13-04-2018 12:25PM

RTE have 10 political correspondants, 10

Nettle Soup · 13-04-2018 12:34PM

They should be criminal inquiries but our government is afraid to take on the corrupt Gardai. They way McCabe has been treated for years is despicable. Hopefully he finally gets some level of "justice".

kneemos · 13-04-2018 12:37PM

vicwatson wrote: »

RTE have 10 political correspondants, 10

They have a US,UK,Middle Eastern,European,Northern Ireland correspondants etc.
Not sure what they all do bar tell us occasionally what we can read on news reports anyway.
Looks good to have somebody on the ground I suppose.

Odhinn · 13-04-2018 12:46PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Just turned on the radio and more reporting of yet another inquiry/tribunal whatever coming from Dublin Castle. This one is about guards/ whistleblowers and who said what and when. I am sick of them and the only one certainty is that all of the participants, guards, politicians, j.

Well then, all the people who have had their careers and/or lives ruined by Martin callinan will just have to fuck off and take their shite with them. We can't have you being annoyed, can we.

wexie · 13-04-2018 12:50PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Can’t understand why we don’t have criminal enquiries if people are suspected off breaking the law instead of gravy train toothless tribunals.

I've never understood this?

What's the point in having a Tribunal if there are no consequences at the back end of it? (and there generally don't seem to be are there?) Just so we know?

Lots of time, effort and money to tell someone they have (or haven't) been a naughty boy and send them on their way?

Is this a purely Irish thing?

TallGlass · 13-04-2018 12:53PM

Never really understood them, they get answers. Usually criminal answers and nothing ever seems to happen ever.

Then again, when you go and break the law and go before a court it seems nothing happens either.

Waste of money really.

RayCon · 13-04-2018 12:54PM

Lenny Henry once described us as White Jamaicans ... hard to argue with that.

McMurphy · 13-04-2018 12:57PM

McCabe looks like he was subjected to the most vile, repulsive smear campaign, involving accusations that amount to the most serious accusations anyone could be accused of (abusing a child) because he tried to speak out about malpractice going on with his employers, who also happen to be the state's police service.

Yet the tail end of the OP seems to be wedging in a fairly thinly veiled dole sponging reference/ need for people to pay their fair share?

What the actual fcuk?

corner of hells · 13-04-2018 01:05PM

If I ever get arrested , I'm going to ask for tribunal instead of a trial.

donegaLroad · 13-04-2018 01:08PM

You are asking me do I give a **** OP, yes I do... very much so. There are people that would say 'whats another €10 million at this stage, considering that The Moriarty Tribunal (for example) has cost €57.7 million to date'.

In 2009, the government at the time failed to allocate €10 million in funding to Crumlin Children's Hospital, resulting in the closure of a wing of the hospital.

Thats only 1 example of hundreds that could be posted on this thread.

Moriarty Tribunal will cost another €10m this year, despite taking place 20 years ago

THE MORIARTY TRIBUNAL kicked off in 1997 to look into the financial affairs of Charlie Haughey and Michael Lowry – and twenty years on, it continues to cost the State money.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny told the Oireachtas Finance Committee yesterday the Moriarty Tribunal has cost €54.7 million to date.

This year, an additional €10 million for legal costs will be spent.

Hector Bellend · 13-04-2018 01:15PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Just turned on the radio and more reporting of yet another inquiry/tribunal whatever coming from Dublin Castle. This one is about guards/ whistleblowers and who said what and when. I am sick of them and the only one certainty is that all of the participants, guards, politicians, judges, barristers,etc will all have big salaries and will have fat pensions to look forward to regardless of the outcome. Meanwhile the never ending problems of healthcare, housing needs etc rumble on. And you know what (and I have NEVER heard a politician say it) all of these issues would be resolved if all the citizens of this country contributed a FAIR share, that's all just a fair share.

Dude are you seriously suggesting that the good people of Ireland contribute to running of their own country?

Are you out of your mind?

You really expect some people to pay their way?

realdanbreen · 13-04-2018 01:30PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

McCabe looks like he was subjected to the most vile, repulsive smear campaign, involving accusations that amount to the most serious accusations anyone could be accused of (abusing a child) because he tried to speak out about malpractice going on with his employers, who also happen to be the state's police service.

Yet the tail end of the OP seems to be wedging in a fairly thinly veiled dole sponging reference/ need for people to pay their fair share?

What the actual fcuk?

Anyone that knows me around here knows that I don't do 'thinly [EMAIL="veiled'@m"]veiled'[/EMAIL]
( I spend a lot of time banned from here as a result) . I am making no reference to the dole. I mean what part of 'everyone ' contribute fairly can you not figure out?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-04-2018 01:37PM

wexie wrote: »

I've never understood this?

What's the point in having a Tribunal if there are no consequences at the back end of it? (and there generally don't seem to be are there?) Just so we know?

Lots of time, effort and money to tell someone they have (or haven't) been a naughty boy and send them on their way?

Is this a purely Irish thing?

It’s worse than that. Some of the tribunals might in fact make a trial impossible because of prejudice. These are investigative bodies with no teeth.

realdanbreen · 13-04-2018 01:40PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Well then, all the people who have had their careers and/or lives ruined by Martin callinan will just have to fuck off and take their shite with them. We can't have you being annoyed, can we.

So you don't think Callinan or whoever is found to have done wrong should be punished/jailed , they should just go through this charade and at the end walk off into the sunset!

twinytwo · 13-04-2018 01:45PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s worse than that. Some of the tribunals might in fact make a trial impossible because of prejudice.

This is what they aim for.... no one in power ever has to take responsibility for anything.

Yet they get two more pay increases this year.

But then what do you expect from a country with a history of political corruption that always get brushed under the carpet.

A country mind you where a TD can openly commit purjury on the witness stand and the same legal system decides there is no case for him to answer.

Ireland.. a fantastic country to live in so long as you are rich and have no morals.

topper75 · 13-04-2018 02:02PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Well then, all the people who have had their careers and/or lives ruined by Martin callinan will just have to fuck off and take their shite with them. We can't have you being annoyed, can we.

HOLD ON! I don't think OP has an issue with justice on the matter!!!

More with the supposed means of attaining it that has fallen flat so many times before in other cases.

Tribunal is not just a fudge, it is a transfer of money we were were all taxed on to legal people who create little or no value.

Complaint is more than valid.

blanch152 · 13-04-2018 02:08PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Well then, all the people who have had their careers and/or lives ruined by Martin callinan will just have to fuck off and take their shite with them. We can't have you being annoyed, can we.

Your post is very strange, you seem to think the Tribunal is necessary, yet........

Has the Tribunal already reported with its findings on Martin Callinan?

If it hasn't, what is the point of the Tribunal, if you have already made up your mind?

AlanG · 13-04-2018 02:24PM

I think there is far too little coverage of the current tribunal. The Garda are the most powerful body in the country and identifying any corruption there is vital to having a free democracy. This particular tribunal is money very well spent.

Just because there may not be enough evidence to secure a criminal prosecution does not mean the tribunal is a waste of time. People in very powerful positions can corrupt a country even if they are not breaking the law. The alternative to this tribunal is outrage on the internet and a lot of false information with no examination.

Odhinn · 13-04-2018 02:25PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Your post is very strange, you seem to think the Tribunal is necessary, yet........

Has the Tribunal already reported with its findings on Martin Callinan?

If it hasn't, what is the point of the Tribunal, if you have already made up your mind?

No idea what you're on about.

Odhinn · 13-04-2018 02:28PM

topper75 wrote: »

HOLD ON! I don't think OP has an issue with justice on the matter!!!

More with the supposed means of attaining it that has fallen flat so many times before in other cases.

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Showing that the word of Martin Callinan & Noirin O'Sullivan means nothing is vital, to the many people condemned behind their back by whispering campaigns led by the same two. There's far more than mccabe that have suffered that fate over the last 30 years.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-04-2018 02:30PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Showing that the word of Martin Callinan & Noirin O'Sullivan means nothing is vital, to the many people condemned behind their back by whispering campaigns led by the same two. There's far more than mccabe that have suffered that fate over the last 30 years.

Yeh but tribunals are a farce. Corrupt themselves. Prejudicial to trials.

We need to get another police force involved - and hire them as separate investigators in Ireland. Ex members of the PSNI perhaps.

blanch152 · 13-04-2018 04:31PM

Odhinn wrote: »

No idea what you're on about.

You are at it again:

Odhinn wrote: »

Showing that the word of Martin Callinan & Noirin O'Sullivan means nothing is vital, to the many people condemned behind their back by whispering campaigns led by the same two. There's far more than mccabe that have suffered that fate over the last 30 years.

You have made conclusions about the outcome of the Tribunal before the Tribunal has reported. So why do we need a Tribunal if you already have all the answers?

Odhinn · 13-04-2018 04:38PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are at it again:

You have made conclusions about the outcome of the Tribunal before the Tribunal has reported. So why do we need a Tribunal if you already have all the answers?

According to you not long ago, Frances Fitzgerald had nothing to apologise for - pull the other one.

blanch152 · 13-04-2018 05:10PM

Odhinn wrote: »

According to you not long ago, Frances Fitzgerald had nothing to apologise for - pull the other one.

We will see what the judge says, but from the evidence so far, there is nothing to suggest she has anything to apologies for.

http://www.disclosurestribunal.ie/en/DIS/(n)%20and%20(o)%20report.pdf/Files/(n)%20and%20(o)%20report.pdf

We have already seen in the case of Garda Harrison that not everything said by a whistleblower should be taken as being reasonable.

Odhinn · 13-04-2018 05:15PM

blanch152 wrote: »

We will see what the judge says, but from the evidence so far, there is nothing to suggest she has anything to apologies for.

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As I said, pull the other one.

Seriously, does anyone give a ****

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