Men's rights on Abortion?

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-04-2018 02:00PM

optogirl wrote: »

You wrote 'But lines like that make me think I might not vote'.

"Like" being the key word there

Delirium · 11-04-2018 02:00PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Not just on their appearance - though that is part of it. It's the way they act, their miserable, po faced look. I couldn't care less about appearance but I think you'd find it hard to argue that the crowd at the repeal marches aren't the most pleasant individuals. They are a minority of the pro choice voters. I know lots of people in work who are voting to remove the 8th and don't like the people leading the campaign.

yeah, really strange that they're not smiling ear-to-ear about being denied bodily autonomy :rolleyes:

DickSwiveller · 11-04-2018 02:00PM

optogirl wrote: »

are you seriously saying you 'don't like' someone based on a photo of them at a march? If my 6 year old came out with that he'd be getting a good talking to about his lack of maturity.

I didn't say I don't like them. I don't know them. I'm saying the optics aren't great.

DickSwiveller · 11-04-2018 02:01PM

Delirium wrote: »

yeah, really strange that they're not smiling ear-to-ear about being denied bodily autonomy :rolleyes:

Well definitely aren't. I agree with you there.

dudara · 11-04-2018 02:01PM

I can never understand voting out of spite or to “show them”. It’s a vote wasted.

You have a civic duty when voting. Educate yourself on the topic, develop your own opinion and vote accordingly. If you vote for any other reason, it shows that you’ve left yourself be influenced, rather than voting according to your own conscience.

eviltwin · 11-04-2018 02:02PM

FFS its a referendum, not X Factor. If you can't separate the issue from how someone looks then you lack the maturity to vote at all. How do you choose who to vote for in the election? Is it based on who has the best hair or the coolest clothes?

DickSwiveller · 11-04-2018 02:02PM

Penn wrote: »

That doesn't change the question being asked in the referendum. It has no effect on it. If you choose to vote against your own ideals and what you think the result should be for the benefit of yourself, your family and for everyone in Ireland, simply because you perceive a small section of repeal voters to be "crazy left wing rad fems", then you are far more crazy than those people.

Quite frankly that type of attitude disgusts me. Regardless of which way you vote I believe your vote should be your answer to the question being asked, and nothing more. It's not about politics or left wing or right wing or anything like that. It's about the question being asked and what answer you think is most beneficial to the country and its inhabitants.

I don't disagree with anything you say here. I'm merely saying that it has an effect on voters who aren't sure which way to vote. It's just reality, whether we agree or not.

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optogirl · 11-04-2018 02:04PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I didn't say I don't like them. I don't know them. I'm saying the optics aren't great.

Well I must remember to get dolled up next time I'm marching through the rain asking our government to allow us to vote on our own healthcare. It's not a BOOTS ad they're in - they have no obligation to make themselves pleasing to your eye.

DickSwiveller · 11-04-2018 02:05PM

optogirl wrote: »

Well I must remember to get dolled up next time I'm marching through the rain asking our government to allow us to vote on our own healthcare. It's not a BOOTS ad they're in - they have no obligation to make themselves pleasing to your eye.

I don't think you're getting my point.

drunkmonkey · 11-04-2018 02:05PM

He's being kind at that.

You can make a lot of assumptions from that crowd.

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drunkmonkey · 11-04-2018 02:15PM

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Sure - just like you can make a lot of assumptions about people from what they actually say.

One set of assumptions is likely to be incorrect, I am sure you know which one. Although given the evidence here, perhaps not.

You can safely assume there angry feminists with megaphones, best avoided in my book.
Not the kind of people I'd support.

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Triceratops Ballet · 11-04-2018 02:25PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You can safely assume there angry feminists with megaphones, best avoided in my book.
Not the kind of people I'd support.

Because nobody is angry or had megaphones on the no side, they're all effortlessly dreamy and placid all the time.

Newsflash, if people are out protesting it's because they're angry or unhappy about something. People who are happy about everything don't protest and the no campaign have as many rallies, marches, meetings and are as organised, if not moreso than the repeal side.

You point is not a point. If you don't believe in abortion because you believe it's wrong just say it, stop with the BS about I'm not voting yes because those women look angry.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-04-2018 02:29PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

As drunk monkey and thuerry14 both demonstrate in their own way, it’s really important to reiterate the question in the referendum.

The only thing it's demonstrated is the wrong people are pushing for a yes in the media.
I won't be supporting someone I disagree with every time they open their mouths.

You won’t agree with them even when you agree with them? You’re willing to say you’d not agree wit them just because they said it?You’re giving them way too much influence over your thoughts. That’s not very clever, is it?

lawred2 · 11-04-2018 02:31PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I don't disagree with anything you say here. I'm merely saying that it has an effect on voters who aren't sure which way to vote. It's just reality, whether we agree or not.

Nice attempt at distancing yourself from your own comments

DickSwiveller · 11-04-2018 02:36PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Nice attempt at distancing yourself from your own comments

I'm not distancing myself. It doesn't have any effect on me because I know which way I'm voting, but somebody who is undecided could be turned off by that crowd.

optogirl · 11-04-2018 02:38PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I'm not distancing myself. It doesn't have any effect on me because I know which way I'm voting, but somebody who is undecided could be turned off by that crowd.

Only someone who is undecided and incredibly immature/shallow.

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drunkmonkey · 11-04-2018 02:46PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You won’t agree with them even when you agree with them? You’re willing to say you’d not agree wit them just because they said it?You’re giving them way too much influence over your thoughts. That’s not very clever, is it?

No I'm saying I will never agree with them. Never have.
They've brought the #metoo and #ibelieveher to the abortion table, they can feck right off, one was ruled in a court of law and Ruth was already scooled by other women on her attitude to women.
If she thinks it's the right thing to do you can be full sure it's the wrong thing to do.

drunkmonkey · 11-04-2018 02:48PM

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I think most intelligent people make up their minds based on the facts.

However, as has been demonstrated very clearly in this thread, there ARE some people who are really too immature to have a vote and they might be influenced by such irrelevant matters. But such people probably havent the capability to make an informed vote ANYWAY and would be voting no for any number of different nonsensical reasons.

Such is democracy, every uninformed moron gets a vote and his vote is worth as much as the vote of an educated informed and reasonable person.

The only thing I will say is that a lot of the mouthy immature types are also immature in other areas of life and have not in fact managed to get themselves onto the register as they are not responsible adults.

You used caps. All your missing now is the pink hair dye and the megaphone.

Triceratops Ballet · 11-04-2018 02:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You used caps. All your missing now is the pink hair dye and the megaphone.

you should google images of the anti choice marches, plenty of angry looking folk there with megaphones too. Does this mean you won't be voting at all?

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SusieBlue · 11-04-2018 02:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You used caps. All your missing now is the pink hair dye and the megaphone.

You're the one that sounds triggered, to be fair.

drunkmonkey · 11-04-2018 03:02PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

you should google images of the anti choice marches, plenty of angry looking folk there with megaphones too. Does this mean you won't be voting at all?

I just did, there a lot more balanced looking.

Triceratops Ballet · 11-04-2018 03:04PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You're the one that sounds triggered, to be fair.

Young women dying their hair and not being placid little ladies is very triggering for some tbf!

Triceratops Ballet · 11-04-2018 03:08PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I just did, there a lot more balanced looking.

you must have a different google to me then!

I'm not stooping to your level of commenting on the looks of people protesting tbh, people look however they look and most people are sensible enough not to base their vote on such a monumental issue on the colour of some womans hair

end of the road · 11-04-2018 03:12PM

thierry14 wrote: »

Don't think a man should have a vote

Neither should women over 50

Not going to affect them

if you believe that, then you don't believe in democracy. this vote is open to all who are legally able to vote.

thierry14 wrote: »

They dont speak for nieces, daughters, granddaughters

They will get their chance in the future

Alot of elderly women have been brainwashed by the church and they won't be carrying children again, not going to affect them physically

We don't need old grannies blighting the vote

Should be an age demographic vote imo for those physically affected

Thats what I think anyway

Men don't carry the child so of course they shouldn't get a vote

the good news is

"old grannies" wil be blighting the vote and rightly so.

men not carying the child isn't relevant to the vote, they will be entitled to vote, and lots and lots of men will vote and rightly so.

an age demographic vote is against democracy and is not going to happen, rightly so.

naughtb4 wrote: »

100% I am usually Pro-Choice in everything as its up to the person themselves to choose not the state to determine or support what they decide. I dont think the matter is a female only one as many many men are also affected by the issue be it a wife who dies due to a birth (exceptional) or a pregnant girlfriend having an abortion when he wants to keep it (or vice versa). There is alot more to nurturing and parenting then carrying a child, it goes on beyond childbirth

But lines like that make me think I might not vote

please do vote. it's your right. don't worry about what other's think. you have a right to a say on this constitutional change. use it.

Wibbs · 11-04-2018 03:24PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You used caps. All your missing now is the pink hair dye and the megaphone.

Let's dial that stuff right back please.

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